Joao Moutinho

[Twizzle]

so if we agreed to terms 5 mins late as is being reported, does that mean he is ours and we just register the transfer in January ?

 

[puella]

Tony Loukas Antoniou ‏@VILLOS_BOAS
@jetsetyid have we agreed to buy moutinho in jauuary?

The original JJetset ‏@jetsetyid
@VILLOS_BOAS no

I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up in Russia since their window is still open.

 

[King of Otters]

Tony Loukas Antoniou ‏@VILLOS_BOAS
@jetsetyid have we agreed to buy moutinho in jauuary?

The original JJetset ‏@jetsetyid
@VILLOS_BOAS no

I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up in Russia since their window is still open.

I don't think he'll go to Russia and I don't think we'll sign him in January either. Destined to be another 'what if' transfer imo.

 

[SteveH]

this one is going to run and run.

Porto sound like a nightmare to deal with. Last minute price hike, followed by a "paperwork problems" on our part. The gods are not in favour of this transfer

 

[Blake Griffin]

I don't think he'll go to Russia and I don't think we'll sign him in January either. Destined to be another 'what if' transfer imo.

it'll go down as another one of those "we bid £24m for player x so the money must be there", same as the supposed bids for rossi/aguero/llorente/mata/hazard etc etc.

 

[SpursTillIDie1882]

this one is going to run and run.

Porto sound like a nightmare to deal with. Last minute price hike, followed by a "paperwork problems" on our part. The gods are not in favour of this transfer

so are we (to deal with) ... maybe a dose of levys own medicine

 

[Spurger King]

Yes indeed. Was thinking how tasty the team would have looked with Rafa as the no10 ahead of Sandro and Dembele. Stick Moutinho in there with them instead and we'd be looking arguably even more fearsome. Take both Rafa and Mouts out of the equation though and, well, the gulf in class is stark. It's unusual that one player should alter the whole complexion of a team so vastly, but I do think that this is one such case. With Moutinho or VdV I'd be extremely excited for the season ahead. Considering we did some great business elsewhere I would likely have made us favourites for fourth. Without Mouts or Rafa though I'm left extremely concerned that we won't even make top six. I do think it makes that big a difference. Rafa was the key for us, as too would Moutinho have been.

Couldn't agree more. If missing out on Moutinho meant we had the 'consolation' of keeping VDV I would have been happy. But to lose Rafa and also miss out on Moutinho was horrible to witness.

It's frustrating because I think Lloris, Verts, Dembele and Dempsey were excellent signings. For me the jury is out on Sig. I don't get the impression that he can perform at a high level on a regular basis. Unfortunately we've left ourselves woefully out of balance, and I agree that it will be a big struggle to get into the top six, which will in turn make it difficult to keep hold of Bale (who is probably off next season regardless), and more importantly will make it harder to appeal to players like Moutinho.

I honestly think this cock up could end up setting the club back a few years if we don't rectify it in January. However we all know how January will turn out - we'll be linked to Leandro and Moutinho again, only to end up selling some useful squad players and signing Jack Shit from Fuckall FC.

 

[SteveH]

If we had got JM most would have started to moaning that we should have signed a Damiao. Us fans are rarely happy.

I think we should see how we fare when the team have had a few more games under the belt.

 

[SteveH]

JM watchers!

Who's better JM or Luka?
Do/can they do a similar job?

 

[Snarfalicious]

Hulk was apparently sold to Zenit for around €50m.

Now there is really no reason for Porto to sell Moutinho as they aren't going to be in need of money.

 

[Misfit]

JM watchers!

Who's better JM or Luka?
Do/can they do a similar job?

He was miles better. In fact, he's the greatest player who has ever drawn breath which is why everything is Spursland would be rosey and destined for universal dominance had he signed. As it is, we will now be relegated and contract AIDS.

 

[3Dnata]

What I don't get about the posters who are on prozac because we didn't sign him is that he was hardly on any Spurs fans lists until very recently. There was a poster who started a thread on him in 2008 but it wasn't like he's recently set the World alight and people weren't yelling for him after the Euros.
Don't get me wrong I would have welcomed his signing and if AVB wants to bring in his player in a key position then I can understand that but it's just if we spent all the Modirc money on him we wouldn't be getting a player of equal value.

 

[daehanmingook]

What I don't get about the posters who are on prozac because we didn't sign him is that he was hardly on any Spurs fans lists until very recently. There was a poster who started a thread on him in 2008 but it wasn't like he's recently set the World alight and people weren't yelling for him after the Euros.
Don't get me wrong I would have welcomed his signing and if AVB wants to bring in his player in a key position then I can understand that but it's just if we spent all the Modirc money on him we wouldn't be getting a player of equal value.

How can you say that without knowing how instrumental he could have played in AVB's plans? If AVB had 11 modrics none of who fit his plans and switched them for 11 JM who did, arguably you could say that the 11 JMs would get the results over the modrics. It's like saying Lennon or Dempsey? Many people will rate Lennon higher than Dempsey for multiple reasons but in AVB's tactics, Dempsey is better on the right than Lennon because he can cut in and shoot, as well as defend better than Lennon. But as a classic winger, Lennon is easily better.

If Moutinho can pull the strings for AVB better than Modric, then you could arguably say that Moutinho is the better player to have. You can even see this in Fergie's use of Berbatov. Great player, wrong system. To Fergie, not that instrumental. To another team, potentially priceless.

 

[bryanabutler]

All i will say is if , Moutinho was a better player than Modric, why did UTD and Real Madrid not go after him.

 

[brasil_spur]

All i will say is if , Moutinho was a better player than Modric, why did UTD and Real Madrid not go after him.

Because they are not identical players in that sense, teams have their own desired targets and the strength of a footballer is as much about slotting into a team and the right position than just being good. Plus the number of clubs that paid over £20m for one player this summer can be counted on your hand.

 

[DJS]

I think Moutinho would suit our system in a 4-2-3-1 set-up more then Modric did.

Not saying either is better, but Modric always felt like a jack-of-all-trades kinda central midfielder who didn't really excel at being an attacking midfielder or a defensive midfielder.

When we played him in 'the hole' behind the centre forward he didn't really contribute enough goals and left the forward very isolated and when we played him more defensively alongside Parker last season it left us a little light in the middle and Scotty had to cover then work of two players a lot of the time.

Moutinho on the other hand can be deployed as a specialist defensive midfielder so would have the discipline to protect the back four as one of two holders but also has more to his game passing-wise then Sandro or Livermore so would allow us to blend our defensive / attacking balance far more effectively.

 

[Spurs1960]

An excellent article in the Guardian today that explains it was it fact a partial invester in the third party ownership of image rights who was the reason the deal didn't go through.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/sep/04/tottenham-hotspur-joao-moutinho?

 

[nedley]

Well it's simply really isn't it.

Deals that can be as complicated as this shouldn't be left to the last moment.

I understand Levy's brinkmanship at times - it has brought us some unbelievable bargains, especially for us.

But when replacing our most important player, with one to be held as equally important.

Just buy him. Fuck saving 2-3m.

It'll cost us more than that by not signing him.

 

[SugarRay]

For me, coming so close to signing him and 'doing all we could' to getting him is no consolation.

Not interested in how close we came, if we didn't actually sign him it matters little.

If it was so close and we were so desperate for him, and he seemingly desperate to link up with avb again, then I expect he should be a Tottenham player in the first week of January or so. Will that happen? We all know the answer to that!!! No chance.

 

[jimmy-jojo]

Well it's simply really isn't it.

Deals that can be as complicated as this shouldn't be left to the last moment.

I understand Levy's brinkmanship at times - it has brought us some unbelievable bargains, especially for us.

But when replacing our most important player, with one to be held as equally important.

Just buy him. Fuck saving 2-3m.

It'll cost us more than that by not signing him.

But it wasn't 2-3m, was it? It was more like 15m as Porto were holding firm on us meeting the buyout clause.