Josh King

[Sweech]

Your analysis is all Greek to me. Unless I'm mistaken, you've banged on about Lamela who makes when he's fit a grand contribution without having great offensive stats. I think stats are bollox anyway, but King is clearly a handful who could play with Kane and instead of him when needed. If you don't like him fine, but it's just your onion, nothing more.

What have I banged on about Lamela?
I guess I can give you something and that's Lamela DOES put up stats, maybe not goals but his assist, key passes, and handed created numbers are always up there and he tends to score well in Europe (which is something we could use).

People do care about the stats though and I suspect you do too even if you won't admit it. King has been around the block for awhile here in England and I don't recall anyone - including you - thinking he would be a worthwhile signing before he hit his shit hot patch post Christmas this year.

Also of course it's my opinion what were you expecting on an online forum?

 

[SpartanSpur]

King clearly has been properly coached by Howe, and found his most effective position.

Poch could hopefully take him to the next step.

I like his versatility which means we wouldn't be paying 20 mill plus for a bench warmer. No, he wouldn't start 30 league games but we are in four comps.

Can the same people who still have a large omelette on your faces after Wanyama please put a case for another player with such versatility and Prem experience who Baldy could conceivably do a deal for? Remember, he won't compete with the top ten, let alone the silly money crowd...

I was a massive pro-wanyama guy but this link does worry me. I can see the theory behind it, and would be optimistic if he signed but I have to admit I'm very concerned about it being a purple patch.

 

[peterballb]

Here's another big issue. Saying he can play either wing is nice except his numbers when on the wing are garbage. Not decent - Absolute garbage.

He's had one good half season playing through the middle as a team's sole focal point (just like Michu, Wilfried Bony, Ba, etc.) and that's it. People are seriously overhyping what this guy has done and what he can do.

I think that's a little harsh. His ball skills are excellent. How many times did he create chances that were completely botched? He wasn't exactly playing with a bunch of goal scorers. He also is really good with his head and he is very fast. Also strong on the ball. We lack that in the other players. Who do we have who can pull away from players or get their head on the ball with purpose.

He is nowhere near as limited as you suggest and I would suggest that Pochettino could get even more out of him.

 

[Sweech]

I think that's a little harsh. His ball skills are excellent. How many times did he create chances that were completely botched? He wasn't exactly playing with a bunch of goal scorers. He also is really good with his head and he is very fast. Also strong on the ball. We lack that in the other players. Who do we have who can pull away from players or get their head on the ball with purpose.

He is nowhere near as limited as you suggest and I would suggest that Pochettino could get even more out of him.

The player you just described sounds like Shane Long.

Who also isn't good enough for us for what it's worth and is actually more proven than King imo.

 

[Jospur]

Josh King did very well last season. No reason why he can't do the same this season. Plays well across the front three.

 

[cliff jones]

What have I banged on about Lamela?
I guess I can give you something and that's Lamela DOES put up stats, maybe not goals but his assist, key passes, and handed created numbers are always up there and he tends to score well in Europe (which is something we could use).

People do care about the stats though and I suspect you do too even if you won't admit it. King has been around the block for awhile here in England and I don't recall anyone - including you - thinking he would be a worthwhile signing before he hit his shit hot patch post Christmas this year.

Also of course it's my opinion what were you expecting on an online forum?

you're hard work Sweech. I was trying to agree with your claims as I recall them that Lamela is a fine example of a player who does more than his stats reveal, by harrying, positioning etc, that enhances his value to the team.
And drawing a comparison with King, who, because of his threat, can occupy and distract defences as well as catch the eye with a trick or a goal.

Anyway, you've completely failed to come up with any alterntives to King, instead preferring to tell me I believe in stats when I plainly don't and have explained why they are only a small part of the big game picture.

Is this because you think Janssen will come good?

 

[cliff jones]

I was a massive pro-wanyama guy but this link does worry me. I can see the theory behind it, and would be optimistic if he signed but I have to admit I'm very concerned about it being a purple patch.

how would you solve the problem, Spartan? Janssen? Son? Someone else?

Levy has a poor record in purchasing strikers, regardless of manager/coach or DOF at the time. Only Teddy and Berba really hit the heights and neither ended well for us...

 

[Metalhead]

how would you solve the problem, Spartan? Janssen? Son? Someone else?

Levy has a poor record in purchasing strikers, regardless of manager/coach or DOF at the time. Only Teddy and Berba really hit the heights and neither ended well for us...

Defoe?

 

[cliff jones]

Defoe?

Keane?

Armo, Ferdy, Pav, Frazier ha, Raziak ha, Solly, Ade, Janssen- bit chequered eh?

He's done much better with mids and defenders, and a certain goalie... IMO

 

[Metalhead]

Keane?

Armo, Ferdy, Pav, Frazier ha, Raziak ha, Solly, Ade, Janssen- bit chequered eh?

He's done much better with mids and defenders, and a certain goalie... IMO

Forgot about Keane. The pre-liverpool transfer Keane was fantastic. Actually in fairness to Armstrong (obviously a Sugar signing) he had a decent return in his first season.

 

[Sweech]

you're hard work Sweech. I was trying to agree with your claims as I recall them that Lamela is a fine example of a player who does more than his stats reveal, by harrying, positioning etc, that enhances his value to the team.
And drawing a comparison with King, who, because of his threat, can occupy and distract defences as well as catch the eye with a trick or a goal.

Anyway, you've completely failed to come up with any alterntives to King, instead preferring to tell me I believe in stats when I plainly don't and have explained why they are only a small part of the big game picture.

Is this because you think Janssen will come good?

I was explaining that Lamela is a poor example as he actually has good stats. I understand what you're trying to say, but using someone who has good stats isn't exactly an example of that point. Also as I stated people want King for his stats. It's blatantly obvious that before his goal scoring streak post-Christmas everyone started talking about him and not a second before. It's exactly like Michu and Bony who similarly had purple patches and similarly everyone here desperately wanted them signed. Unless you can point out posters, yourself or otherwise, advocating Josh King before he went on his purple patch I don't really see how you could argue otherwise.

I also don't understand what I'm supposed to be bringing alternatives for? We were he best goal scoring team in the league. I don't desperately think we need a striker that badly. Plus as you said I do believe in Janssen plus Son is always a good option.

I think we need an attacking option that brings something different, but I'd prefer someone with either immense pace or good creativity who is young. King is none of those things and there are plenty out there who I don't need to go in depth naming.

 

[Jospur]

I was explaining that Lamela is a poor example as he actually has good stats. I understand what you're trying to say, but using someone who has good stats isn't exactly an example of that point. Also as I stated people want King for his stats. It's blatantly obvious that before his goal scoring streak post-Christmas everyone started talking about him and not a second before. It's exactly like Michu and Bony who similarly had purple patches and similarly everyone here desperately wanted them signed. Unless you can point out posters, yourself or otherwise, advocating Josh King before he went on his purple patch I don't really see how you could argue otherwise.

I also don't understand what I'm supposed to be bringing alternatives for? We were he best goal scoring team in the league. I don't desperately think we need a striker that badly. Plus as you said I do believe in Janssen plus Son is always a good option.

I think we need an attacking option that brings something different, but I'd prefer someone with either immense pace or good creativity who is young. King is none of those things and there are plenty out there who I don't need to go in depth naming.

For someone who thinks Fazio was a good signing for Spurs I'd take your views on other players with a pinch of salt.

 

[SpartanSpur]

how would you solve the problem, Spartan? Janssen? Son? Someone else?

Levy has a poor record in purchasing strikers, regardless of manager/coach or DOF at the time. Only Teddy and Berba really hit the heights and neither ended well for us...

I'm not a scout but I'd be looking at forwards that can also play wide. Someone like Schick who we have heavily scouted possibly?

I like King and his attributes but there has been an absolute raft of bang average prem strikers that had a hot few months and nothing else.

I'd also check on Llorente as a plan B option.

 

[cliff jones]

I was explaining that Lamela is a poor example as he actually has good stats. I understand what you're trying to say, but using someone who has good stats isn't exactly an example of that point. Also as I stated people want King for his stats. It's blatantly obvious that before his goal scoring streak post-Christmas everyone started talking about him and not a second before. It's exactly like Michu and Bony who similarly had purple patches and similarly everyone here desperately wanted them signed. Unless you can point out posters, yourself or otherwise, advocating Josh King before he went on his purple patch I don't really see how you could argue otherwise.

I also don't understand what I'm supposed to be bringing alternatives for? We were he best goal scoring team in the league. I don't desperately think we need a striker that badly. Plus as you said I do believe in Janssen plus Son is always a good option.

I think we need an attacking option that brings something different, but I'd prefer someone with either immense pace or good creativity who is young. King is none of those things and there are plenty out there who I don't need to go in depth naming.

I don't think Lamela's stats are that impressive, are they? They picked up before his latest injury and he scored a few in the EL but overall? But that wasn't my point as you know. King's stats were pretty good last season, but that wasn't my point either.

If you think Janssen is probably the answer then fine. But posters who forever shoot down the suggestions of others without making one or two realistic suggestions of their own contribute little to the debate.

 

[cliff jones]

I'm not a scout but I'd be looking at forwards that can also play wide. Someone like Schick who we have heavily scouted possibly?

I like King and his attributes but there has been an absolute raft of bang average prem strikers that had a hot few months and nothing else.

I'd also check on Llorente as a plan B option.

we don't have to be scouts mate. Llorente made me stop and think. I remember at West Ham, when we just had no idea how to turn it around, kept slinging high balls in to Kane who didn't win a header all night. That's one of the reasons i like King..

 

[Sweech]

For someone who thinks Fazio was a good signing for Spurs I'd take your views on other players with a pinch of salt.

Fazio is a good defender that never fit the system. He kills it in a low block. Not sure how that's even debatable.

You know as shown by his amazing performances for years at Sevilla and the performances at Roma.

 

[Jospur]

Fazio is a good defender that never fit the system. He kills it in a low block. Not sure how that's even debatable.

You know as shown by his amazing performances for years at Sevilla and the performances at Roma.

Fazio should never have been acquired by Spurs. It's of no interest how well or not he has done in another league. The player was bought to play for Tottenham Hotspur in the Premier League and his performances soon proved how inadequate he was for that role. How you can continue to support the player here is beyond me.

He was an embarrassment of a purchase and it took the club quite some time to get rid of him.

At least he's with another club now...

 

[Sweech]

Fazio should never have been acquired by Spurs. It's of no interest how well or not he has done in another league. The player was bought to play for Tottenham Hotspur in the Premier League and his performances soon proved how inadequate he was for that role. How you can continue to support the player here is beyond me.

He was an embarrassment of a purchase and it took the club quite some time to get rid of him.

At least he's with another club now...

What do you mean support the player here? I've never said he should be playing here I just argue that he's not a bad defender - because I'm not so close minded to think that Spurs performances define how great of a player he is or isn't. There's a massive gulf in difference between those two things.

 

[yido_number1]

What do you mean support the player here? I've never said he should be playing here I just argue that he's not a bad defender - because I'm not so close minded to think that Spurs performances define how great of a player he is or isn't. There's a massive gulf in difference between those two things.

I think the point he is making is that Fazio was never right for the tactics and system we employ, hence a terrible signing. Now we actually have a manager with tactical ideas and a plan on how to do things it's important to sign players that actually fit the system. Sometimes that might mean signing a lesser player that adapts to the system rather than a star that wouldn't be able to shine in the formation.

 

[Jospur]

What do you mean support the player here? I've never said he should be playing here I just argue that he's not a bad defender - because I'm not so close minded to think that Spurs performances define how great of a player he is or isn't. There's a massive gulf in difference between those two things.

That's funny.

I remember a few years ago you commenting on what a good player you thought Fazio was. This wasn't in relation to playing for another team - you were saying that he was good fit for Tottenham Hotspur. Now you appear to be backtracking on this.

As in all disagreements on here with regards to a player's worth it came down to let's wait and see. Well time's up.

He was never a good fit for Spurs. Don't know why he was even purchased. He was a slow cart-horse then and, at age 30 now, he may even be a slower cart-horse.

When we had this discussion some time ago (when he was still with the team) you were ultra-positive about him. For you to say that you never said he should be playing for Tottenham Hotspur is simply not true.