Josh Onomah - Sheffield Wednesday

[rossdapep]

Needs to be given an opportunity in preseason.

We desperately need a new CM, possibly 2, I'd bring in a CM who has the requirements to start and then I'd give Josh preseason AND play him in his best role before we decide to buy a second CM.

 

[dondo]

See josh is on the bench for the playoff game tonight, won’t bother watching now. Was interested to see how he would have handled a big match

 

[aliyid]

I’m still torn over Josh, as much as I think we should give our youth a chance I’ve still not seen anything that makes me think he should be given a place in our CM.

For those who have seen more of him this season; is there a reason behind him being on the bench for a big game like this (returning from injury or just not impressed enough)

 

[SpursDave88]

If he doesn't start for Aston Villa in the Championship...how can he be good enough to help us challenge at the top table?

 

[Blake Griffin]

I’m still torn over Josh, as much as I think we should give our youth a chance I’ve still not seen anything that makes me think he should be given a place in our CM.

For those who have seen more of him this season; is there a reason behind him being on the bench for a big game like this (returning from injury or just not impressed enough)

he started well and had a decent first three months or so, he then had a pretty rotten middle of the season but then finished with a strong final month, to the point where quite a few villa fans actually wanted him to start in the playoffs but bruce understandably reverted back to the "tried and tested" line up that had been doing well.

we have to remember that this is his first proper season at first team level, yes he made a few appearances for us but the vast majority were made up of five minute cameos at the end of games. at his age, kane was already on his 4th loan and was deemed "not good enough" to start for leicester, likewise rose flunked at three championship clubs before finding his feet at sunderland. not every player is going to be like alli and step into the first team at 19 but that doesn't mean they can't be good or even great players at some point down the line. in all of his appearances for villa he's still only once started in what i strongly consider to be his actual position, he's had maybe 25% of games in a more advanced cm role(which is still too high up for my liking) with the rest coming at #10 or out wide, in some ways he's actually done better playing those roles than i expected him to.

he's only just turned 21 and there's still much more to come from him, we just need to give him time and show a little faith.

 

[SpursDave88]

he started well and had a decent first three months or so, he then had a pretty rotten middle of the season but then finished with a strong final month, to the point where quite a few villa fans actually wanted him to start in the playoffs but bruce understandably reverted back to the "tried and tested" line up that had been doing well.

we have to remember that this is his first proper season at first team level, yes he made a few appearances for us but the vast majority were made up of five minute cameos at the end of games. at his age, kane was already on his 4th loan and was deemed "not good enough" to start for leicester, likewise rose flunked at three championship clubs before finding his feet at sunderland. not every player is going to be like alli and step into the first team at 19 but that doesn't mean they can't be good or even great players at some point down the line. in all of his appearances for villa he's still only once started in what i strongly consider to be his actual position, he's had maybe 25% of games in a more advanced cm role(which is still too high up for my liking) with the rest coming at #10 or out wide, in some ways he's actually done better playing those roles than i expected him to.

he's only just turned 21 and there's still much more to come from him, we just need to give him time and show a little faith.

You do forget how young he is sometimes...do you think he should be given the opportunity to stake a claim for a starting role at Tottenham?

 

[Blake Griffin]

You do forget how young he is sometimes...do you think he should be given the opportunity to stake a claim for a starting role at Tottenham?

yes, in the summer, most of the first team will be missing anyway. i'm only interested in seeing him get a chance as a CM though, if poch plays him further forward again then i won't consider that to be taking a proper look at him. regardless of whether that happens or not it would still be premature to sell him, i don't know why some fans are in a rush to move him on as if he's somehow getting in the way, another loan(preferably in the prem or perhaps even abroad) would still be a good solution though if poch doesn't think he's ready for significant involvement next season.

 

[SpursDave88]

yes, in the summer, most of the first team will be missing anyway. i'm only interested in seeing him get a chance as a CM though, if poch plays him further forward again then i won't consider that to be taking a proper look at him. regardless of whether that happens or not it would still be premature to sell him, i don't know why some fans are in a rush to move him on as if he's somehow getting in the way, another loan(preferably in the prem or perhaps even abroad) would still be a good solution though if poch doesn't think he's ready for significant involvement next season.

I don't think anyone wants him moved on...people want him to succeed at Spurs...the question is whether he is ready.

 

[Shadydan]

Gotta be more ready than Sissoko surely.

 

[Krafty]

Gotta be more ready than Sissoko surely.

I would have TOB or Skipp over Sissoko, never mind Josh.

If he is with us at the start of the season, and I hope is, has to be picked ahead of Sissoko. I cannot see any reason, apart from severe fitness issue, that Sissoko gets picked ahead of anyone really

 

[Tottenham_God]

Can we resign Luongo? As an Aussie that would be sexy hehe

 

[willcpt17]

Gotta be more ready than Sissoko surely.

I think that is the only bad thing about the loan to Villa. We had several injuries to central midfielders this season (Winks, Wanyama, Dembele) and if Josh had been with us I imagine he would have made several appearances for us. I would much rather see Josh (or other academy players) used as squad players than us going out and overpaying for the likes of Sissoko, Janssen, Soldado, GKN, Llorente, etc...
It could be a big summer for Josh, he has an excellent opportunity in the ICC to impress Poch and potentially earn a spot in the first team (likely as a squad player, but who knows)

 

[Shadydan]

I think that is the only bad thing about the loan to Villa. We had several injuries to central midfielders this season (Winks, Wanyama, Dembele) and if Josh had been with us I imagine he would have made several appearances for us. I would much rather see Josh (or other academy players) used as squad players than us going out and overpaying for the likes of Sissoko, Janssen, Soldado, GKN, Llorente, etc...
It could be a big summer for Josh, he has an excellent opportunity in the ICC to impress Poch and potentially earn a spot in the first team (likely as a squad player, but who knows)

I think Jose needed that loan, I've been saying for a long time he has the ability but he needs to go out and learn some responsibility and mature a little, don't think he would have got that at Spurs.

 

[C0YS]

If he doesn't start for Aston Villa in the Championship...how can he be good enough to help us challenge at the top table?

Could say the same thing about harry Kane or Ryan Mason or Jake Livermore or Danny Rose. These are all players who were on loans without starting most games not too much before making their breakthrough. But they ended up contributing for us and only Kane out of those players was at a promotion chasing side in the championship.

Its always difficult to be a loanie of a certain age to make a real breakthrough at a club. These loans are for the development of the player how they react to these situations etc. For many players the championship can actually be a harder place to play than the PL. Its more physical, in most games its hard to have a good grasp of the ball, its a lot more yo-yo a lot of teams bypass the midfield etc. But, with loans there is always the sense that they are borrowed player and if you don't hit the ground running the club isn't going to field you and make an effort to improve you.

We need to judge loans on the basis of has the player improved or shown that he can contribute to us, not based on what he has done for the club he is loaned to per say. Aston Villa have a lot of young talented attacking midfielders as well as experienced tried and tested midfielders, its not a surprise he isn't starting every game. He has struggled at times during this loan, but he has improved as he's gone on and there are positive signs that his mentality is right and that at spurs he would be in a better position to challenge for a place than he was in the past.

He hasn't had a loan as successful as Carter-Vickers, who has been a revelation at Ipswich, but what is interesting is that CV was essentially dropped from the Sheff utd squad and clearly not fancied after a decent start and came back to Spurs. It just shows that even when things don't work at one club, things can work at another club of a similar level.

I think its a very English thing, this idea that if you fail at a certain club its a sign of your inability to play at that level, while other factors are ignored, such as the style of play, the personality of the team, tactical stuff and all kinds of reasons why things dont always work out.

In places like Italy this is much more considered and you do often see big clubs go for players which failed at other big clubs, or even go for players at lower league clubs that don't appear to be doing that well. Thats because when you look at if a player would be a success you have to look at the basic attributes and what they are doing, being in different contexts a player who struggles at one club can thrive if played in a different system.

 

[alexis]

Could say the same thing about harry Kane or Ryan Mason or Jake Livermore or Danny Rose. These are all players who were on loans without starting most games not too much before making their breakthrough. But they ended up contributing for us and only Kane out of those players was at a promotion chasing side in the championship.

Its always difficult to be a loanie of a certain age to make a real breakthrough at a club. These loans are for the development of the player how they react to these situations etc. For many players the championship can actually be a harder place to play than the PL. Its more physical, in most games its hard to have a good grasp of the ball, its a lot more yo-yo a lot of teams bypass the midfield etc. But, with loans there is always the sense that they are borrowed player and if you don't hit the ground running the club isn't going to field you and make an effort to improve you.

We need to judge loans on the basis of has the player improved or shown that he can contribute to us, not based on what he has done for the club he is loaned to per say. Aston Villa have a lot of young talented attacking midfielders as well as experienced tried and tested midfielders, its not a surprise he isn't starting every game. He has struggled at times during this loan, but he has improved as he's gone on and there are positive signs that his mentality is right and that at spurs he would be in a better position to challenge for a place than he was in the past.

He hasn't had a loan as successful as Carter-Vickers, who has been a revelation at Ipswich, but what is interesting is that CV was essentially dropped from the Sheff utd squad and clearly not fancied after a decent start and came back to Spurs. It just shows that even when things don't work at one club, things can work at another club of a similar level.

I think its a very English thing, this idea that if you fail at a certain club its a sign of your inability to play at that level, while other factors are ignored, such as the style of play, the personality of the team, tactical stuff and all kinds of reasons why things dont always work out.

In places like Italy this is much more considered and you do often see big clubs go for players which failed at other big clubs, or even go for players at lower league clubs that don't appear to be doing that well. Thats because when you look at if a player would be a success you have to look at the basic attributes and what they are doing, being in different contexts a player who struggles at one club can thrive if played in a different system.

Like to see him at burnley Bournemouth or Brighton for a season in his favored position

 

[Wellspurs]

Like to see him at burnley Bournemouth or Brighton for a season in his favored position

Any team beginning with B?

 

[alexis]

Any team beginning with B?

As long as they try and play decent football

 

[chinaman]

Any team beginning with B?

3 B's. Say Big Boobs Bitches United.

 

[michaelden]

Any team beginning with B?

And if he can't make it with them then he should try a loan at Cardiff, Carlise or Chelsea

 

[SpursD22]