keano

[idlepete]

I appreciate Keane and Steed's enthusiasm to chase and harry constantly, but if there is nothing else then thats not a good performance.

So his performance needs something else... like... a goal you mean?

As I said, poor performance made up for by a fantastic goal.

Oh right.

Dude, I didn't even see the game or highlights but your post is chasing its own tail round and round in circles...

 

[Dougal]

All i'm saying is he wasn't brilliant last night

But that's isn't all you are saying. You said (jokingly I presume) he was shit. You said he was poor. You said it was not a 'good' performance if it wasn't for the goal. Nobody else claimed it was 'brilliant'.

 

[Stoof]

I'm not doubting his legend status, or his ability to score goals. All i'm saying is he wasn't brilliant last night, and doesn't deserve the MOTM nominations he's been getting in the player ratings thread. He can and does play better often. I'm also not disagreeing that midfield were the real problem last night, but that doesn't mean players in other positions played fantastically does it?

People's judgments are always going to be clouded by spectacular goals. It's what we pays our monies for. :wink: So you can hardly blame people for being a tad over-exuberant. He put in a striker's performance, lead from the front and scored a critical goal. That'll do, pig. That'll do.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Even Martin Jol in his program notes for the home game against Blackburn last season said that our strikers must work harder off the ball and help the team defend.

What some of you defending keane don't realise is he is putting pressure on our midfield by not helping the team defend. Great teams defend as a team. And that also means when you are played a ball that is 50/50 or (in keanes case) 80/20 in your favour that you fight for it instead of surrendering possession which puts your midfield under pressure when trying to move forward.

And why does Keane never jump or challenge for a header. He is 5'10. The same height as Les Ferdinand. He actively runs away from any threat of physical contact and directly puts us under pressure as a result.

And a player with his ability should be seeing a hell of alot more of the ball than he does. But his avoidance tactics limit this.

When he scores. all this gets forgotton. The cost of his giving the ball and not showing for our midfielders is partially reflected in our goals against column.

At odds with this is the fact that the fella has always scored goals. For all his faults you can't help but be thankful for his consistant ability to score. The bottom line is, like most of our players, he is very good but flawed.

Which sums us up at the moment. And there are much worse places to be.

 

[idlepete]

And why does Keane never jump or challenge for a header. He is 5'10. The same height as Les Ferdinand. He actively runs away from any threat of physical contact and directly puts us under pressure as a result.

I don't really agree with this criticism you keep making. Keano just isn't that physical a player, and you can't expect him to be. Comparing him to Sir Les is ridiculous. They might be the same height (actually, I can remember Les saying he was 5'11") but Les is probably twice as broad across the shoulders. It was his awesome upper body strength that made him such a colussus, and meant he could get above anyone as long as he jumped first. It also meant he couldn't turn quickly, which is a big part of Keano's game. Keano's also never had a season so bad that he only scored 4 goals. I know which one I'd prefer.

You watch Keano's movement when he's trying to get onto a long ball and he nearly always moves as though he's anticipating the defender making a mistake rather than pressuring him to make a mistake. Sometimes, but not often, this comes off for him. I don't mind this really, as long as he closes down when the opposition are in possession (which he does) and he's playing alongside a strong target man who will pressure the 50/50 balls that come his way (which he is) I don't think it's that big a deal.

 

[ST]

What some of you defending keane don't realise is he is putting pressure on our midfield by not helping the team defend.

But. He. Does. :-|

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I don't really agree with this criticism you keep making. Keano just isn't that physical a player, and you can't expect him to be. Comparing him to Sir Les is ridiculous. They might be the same height (actually, I can remember Les saying he was 5'11") but Les is probably twice as broad across the shoulders. It was his awesome upper body strength that made him such a colussus, and meant he could get above anyone as long as he jumped first. It also meant he couldn't turn quickly, which is a big part of Keano's game. Keano's also never had a season so bad that he only scored 4 goals. I know which one I'd prefer.

You watch Keano's movement when he's trying to get onto a long ball and he nearly always moves as though he's anticipating the defender making a mistake rather than pressuring him to make a mistake. Sometimes, but not often, this comes off for him. I don't mind this really, as long as he closes down when the opposition are in possession (which he does) and he's playing alongside a strong target man who will pressure the 50/50 balls that come his way (which he is) I don't think it's that big a deal.

No, I wouldn't swap Keane for Ferdinand either. That wasn't what I was trying to say (or compare) just that at 5.10 he could easily challenge for ariel balls but he does that "anticipating the defeder making a complete howler and handing him possession for free" thing which works about once a season.

The other thing he does is when played a ball into his feet with a defender in close proximity he steps over it, not because he gets a call but in the vague hope that it will find it's way to a team mate whilst avoiding the tackle that was coming.

But the complete footballer is rare, especially when you are in our situation. And as incomplete footballers go keane is right up there with the best.

 

[tippspur59]

Slagging off your top scorer,what other fans would do it.:shrug:

 

[Michey]

Slagging off your top scorer,what other fans would do it.:shrug:

It's sickening :evil:

People tend to use the word Legend sloppy around here. Keane is the only one together with King to earn that tag at the moment.....and they're faaaar ahead of anyone else. Keano is already very high in Spurs history when it comes to score goals for us.....that is amazing. Sad that some people can't recognize that.

 

[Yid-ol]

It's sickening :evil:

People tend to use the word Legend sloppy around here. Keane is the only one together with King to earn that tag at the moment.....and they're faaaar ahead of anyone else. Keano is already very high in Spurs history when it comes to score goals for us.....that is amazing. Sad that some people can't recognize that.

but he can be a legend, and play badly, or show stupidiy liek his reaction to being taken off :shrug: some people also tend to think because he is a legend that he cant do no wrong

 

[Dougal]

but he can be a legend, and play badly, or show stupidiy liek his reaction to being taken off :shrug: some people also tend to think because he is a legend that he cant do no wrong

Absolutely. I condemned Keano for his reaction to being subbed. Then I applaude his performance last night. How much more of a fair and balanced view do you want?

 

[eViL]

Hmm.. Keano.

Scores goals, covers a lot of ground off the ball, but isn't a constant pain in the opposing players backsides like a Rooney or a Torres.

That's the difference. That's what the fans want. That's what we need to be champions league. It's no disrespect to Keano, it's just that everyone knows that we need a little bit more to take us that extra mile.

He's a great servant, a bargain signing, a good goal scorer and a Spurs legend, but is he top four? Are the top four even remotely interested in Robbie Keane?

Well er.. No. And that fact alone should tell us something.

 

[Dougal]

Hmm.. Keano.

Scores goals, covers a lot of ground off the ball, but isn't a constant pain in the opposing players backsides like a Rooney or a Torres.

That's the difference. That's what the fans want. That's what we need to be champions league. It's no disrespect to Keano, it's just that everyone knows that we need a little bit more to take us that extra mile.

He's a great servant, a bargain signing, a good goal scorer and a Spurs legend, but is he top four? Are the top four even remotely interested in Robbie Keane?

Well er.. No. And that fact alone should tell us something.

I think his goal scoring record might just piss off the opposition a bit, don't you? How much more of a pain in the arse can you be after putting the ball in the net?

 

[eViL]

I think his goal scoring record might just piss off the opposition a bit, don't you? How much more of a pain in the arse can you be after putting the ball in the net?

:shrug:

Just trying to explain why some people get on Keano's back. I'm not one of em!

 

[Dougal]

:shrug:

Just trying to explain why some people get on Keano's back. I'm not one of em!

:lol: Sorry, Nic has put me on the defensive! Time to step away from the computer methinks... :adios:

 

[MrWoolley]

Hmm.. Keano.

Scores goals, covers a lot of ground off the ball, but isn't a constant pain in the opposing players backsides like a Rooney or a Torres.

That's the difference. That's what the fans want. That's what we need to be champions league. It's no disrespect to Keano, it's just that everyone knows that we need a little bit more to take us that extra mile.

He's a great servant, a bargain signing, a good goal scorer and a Spurs legend, but is he top four? Are the top four even remotely interested in Robbie Keane?

Well er.. No. And that fact alone should tell us something.

Berbatov is our Drogba/Aderbayor/Torres/Rooney if your making that comparison.

And I personally feel Keane is a better player than any of Bentdner, Kuyt, Tevez and Anelka.

Legend.

 

[nidge]

You watch Keano's movement when he's trying to get onto a long ball and he nearly always moves as though he's anticipating the defender making a mistake rather than pressuring him to make a mistake. Sometimes, but not often, this comes off for him. I don't mind this really, as long as he closes down when the opposition are in possession (which he does) and he's playing alongside a strong target man who will pressure the 50/50 balls that come his way (which he is) I don't think it's that big a deal.

I suspect that is something he picked up in Italy as it is something Italian strikers always seemed to be very good at.