Lamela

[Legend10]

you assume he won't impress, I think he already has.
Mind you its good Andros is playing well as that will gee up Lamela to earn his place.

I don't assume that, what I assume is that some people will be on his back after 10 minutes regardless.

 

[Kiedis]

I don't assume that, what I assume is that some people will be on his back after 10 minutes regardless.

I actually find it surprising that no-one have labeled him as a waste of money based on his abysmal second half against Villa. I wont hold it against him, but I wasn't shocked that he wasn't picked against Chelsea. Our high line means that we can't allow ourselves to be that sloppy in possession.
But what a player he could become. Jesus Christiansen.

 

[PeeEyeEmPee]

I personally think its something that should be applauded, wheather you like him or not, being the top 5 goal scorers in our clubs history is an achievement, IMO of course. Your argument that unless the team wins anything there should be no applause, no appreciation for anyone in the team? Come on I dont by that one bit, if that were the case us Spurs fans would appreciated no one in our team and we would be all a buch of moany bastards.

sorry, where was it that I said that?

 

[PeeEyeEmPee]

So does that make Sir Tom Finney not as great, or even Jurgen or Ginola or even Gazza (one FA Cup win aside)? I think by trying to gauge/qualify how well a player has performed by the trophies he has won is dangerous territory with us. Considering our assumed status we haven't actually won that much, especially when put into context alongside individual 'greats' and some of our competitors.

again, that's not my argument.

you're naming great players though. Gazza, Ginola, and Klinsmann are some of our best ever players, Defoe isn't. that's kinda the point I'm trying to make. using "he's our 5th highest scorer" in a discussion/argument about him as though it adds weight to a point or silences the naysayers suggests he's a club legend or all-time great when he really isn't. he's "just" our 5th highest scorer.

 

[Donki]

sorry, where was it that I said that?

"have his goals led to any sort of success? nope."

That's the way it comes across in your post, I wasn't the only person to read it that way either. I don't see how you can't say a modern day footballer in our squad today being in the top 5 scores of all time a irrelevant statistic, I think it's a great achievement for him personally.

 

[PeeEyeEmPee]

You weren't aware of Spurs legends like Smith, Chivers & Jones?

And scoring 139 goals for Spurs is not much more than a statistical inevitability, rightyo.

of course I was aware of them, but without looking up the list, I wouldn't have known they were all on it. I knew Greavsie was #1, but it would never usually occur to me to look up the list unless someone else came along and threatened to equal or better it

for a centre-forward playing 350 matches, I'd say it was definitely a statistical inevitability he'd get that many. it's 2 goals every 5 matches. that's decent, but not really anything more than that.

 

[PeeEyeEmPee]

"have his goals led to any sort of success? nope."

That's the way it comes across in your post, I wasn't the only person to read it that way either. I don't see how you can't say a modern day footballer in our squad today being in the top 5 scores of all time a irrelevant statistic, I think it's a great achievement for him personally.

why don't you put that into the context of everything I said, rather than singling out that one bit?

 

[Donki]

why don't you put that into the context of everything I said, rather than singling out that one bit?

What is there to put in context context, I am saying Defoe geting into the top 5 all time goal scorers in out history is a good achievement for him. Your saying that its not that big a deal, there is nothing really needing to be put into context, I value what Defoe has brought us and value what I think he still has to give us. Its also worth pointing out that were not talking about 350 full matches a good few were substitue appearances. I am not saying he is world class, or a legend or even he is a nailed on starter I am saying he deserves credit.

Anyway its nto really the thead for this its all about our young Argy!

 

[Legend10]

of course I was aware of them, but without looking up the list, I wouldn't have known they were all on it. I knew Greavsie was #1, but it would never usually occur to me to look up the list unless someone else came along and threatened to equal or better it

for a centre-forward playing 350 matches, I'd say it was definitely a statistical inevitability he'd get that many. it's 2 goals every 5 matches. that's decent, but not really anything more than that.

Actually it's 139 goals in only 235 starts.

Incredible the bloke is our top goal scorer for the last 40 years and 5th of all time and you call it nothing more than decent!

What has happened to the fans of this club!

 

[crokey]

Actually it's 139 goals in only 235 starts.

Incredible the bloke is our top goal scorer for the last 40 years and 5th of all time and you call it nothing more than decent!

What has happened to the fans of this club!

It's football in general. Transfer fees and transfer windows are more important than player quality and results these days it seems.

 

[Kendall]

I think he's looked very silky, keeps the ball very well indeed. Needs more confidence when going at players though, but that will come. I'm sure there was a piece on him before he came that said his best success in attacking players was on the counter/when the team moved the ball quickly. We've not been playing that brand and so it'll take time, but if he gets a goal soon it'll settle him. Should've scored at Villa.

 

[PeeEyeEmPee]

Actually it's 139 goals in only 235 starts.

Incredible the bloke is our top goal scorer for the last 40 years and 5th of all time and you call it nothing more than decent!

What has happened to the fans of this club!

so you include the goals he's scored as sub, but not the sub appearances themselves? how convenient.

by all means hail it as some sort of seismic achievement if you want, but to me it isn't, and I can probably name at least 10 better strikers in my time watching Tottenham

 

[Legend10]

so you include the goals he's scored as sub, but not the sub appearances themselves? how convenient.

by all means hail it as some sort of seismic achievement if you want, but to me it isn't, and I can probably name at least 10 better strikers in my time watching Tottenham

But you can't name one who's scored more goals for us in the last 40 years can you?

 

[CJMurray]

But you can't name one who's scored more goals for us in the last 40 years can you?

Because he's played for Spurs for far longer than most strikers do...

It's a bit like if Dawson stays for a few more years and ends up having the most clean sheets kept in the last 40 years. A great achievement for him, but it doesn't make him one of our best defenders ever.

 

[Donki]

so you include the goals he's scored as sub, but not the sub appearances themselves? how convenient.

by all means hail it as some sort of seismic achievement if you want, but to me it isn't, and I can probably name at least 10 better strikers in my time watching Tottenham

Could you name them, you are around the same age as me and I certainly can't think of 10 that are clearly better in my lifetime of watching Tottenham.

 

[Donki]

Because he's played for Spurs for far longer than most strikers do...

It's a bit like if Dawson stays for a few more years and ends up having the most clean sheets kept in the last 40 years. A great achievement for him, but it doesn't make him one of our best defenders ever.

This is the thing, no one hear is saying he is the best striker, or Dawson is the best defender.... It's the fact he's been here and scored the goals. I don't see why it's so hard to simply say, well done little man. I've said over and over they are good squad players to have in your team!!!

 

[Bofbro]

He's better on the left or central imo.

 

[Chaplain]

Could you name them, you are around the same age as me and I certainly can't think of 10 that are clearly better in my lifetime of watching Tottenham.

Berbatov
Keane (first time)
Saha (but not for us)
Kanoutè (but not for us)
Postiga (definitely not for us)
Sheringham
Ferdinand
Iversen
Klinsmann

Erm...
Lineker.

Yeah...

 

[Chris12]

Berbatov
Keane (first time)
Saha (but not for us)
Kanoutè (but not for us)
Postiga (definitely not for us)
Sheringham
Ferdinand
Iversen
Klinsmann

Erm...
Lineker.

Yeah...

Think you have contradicted yourself by naming players you think have been better than Defoe and then put in brackets not for us! It only matters for us!

 

[southlondonyiddo]

Berbatov
Keane (first time)
Saha (but not for us)
Kanoutè (but not for us)
Postiga (definitely not for us)
Sheringham
Ferdinand
Iversen
Klinsmann

Erm...
Lineker.

Yeah...

You can have 6 of those. The others weren't better than JD in a Spurs shirt