Lamela

[harry's chin]

I just don't think he is suited for the Premier League, wants too much time on the ball and is so one footed that once he is shifted onto that right foot he is in trouble

You can't Rabona your way through life

 

[Shadydan]

Then you don't know what new is.

Well what would you consider as 'new' then?

Is 20 matches enough to consider someone fully acclimatised to this league?

 

[VegasII]

I just don't think he is suited for the Premier League, wants too much time on the ball and is so one footed that once he is shifted onto that right foot he is in trouble

You can't Rabona your way through life

Worked for John Holmes and Ron Jeremy.

Sorry that's an awful joke.

 

[harry's chin]

Worked for John Holmes and Ron Jeremy.

Sorry that's an awful joke.

so poor i think you should resign from the forum

 

[arunspurs]

Well what would you consider as 'new' then?

Is 20 matches enough to consider someone fully acclimatised to this league?

Who gave you these excuses & reasons?
How many more months are we going to sing the same tune?
Our academy players literally with no top level experience have given better performance , in most cases in 5 games and in some case their debut game...
Anyway let's wait for one more year and then agree that Lamela is not the player who you thought to be...

 

[Shadydan]

Who gave you these excuses & reasons?
How many more months are we going to sing the same tune?
Our academy players literally with no top level experience have given better performance , in most cases in 5 games and in some case their debut game...
Anyway let's wait for one more year and then agree that Lamela is not the player who you thought to be...

What you mean some players settle quicker more than others, no way!

Well you ought to know that young talented players always take time to settle down especially in this league particularly when they're under pressure to succeed some more than others so why should we treat Lamela any differently?

It's up to you though, you can sit there and bemoan the fact that he isn't producing and naively go on about his price tag and the fact that he's been here for over a year and a half, or you can look at things objectively and realise he's just played to the equivalent of half a season, be a good Spurs fan like the rest of us and realise that the club have made and investment on a kid who requires patience and time, stop fucking moaning and get behind him.

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

Some of these excuses for Lamela's incompetence is getting funnier every day.
Still waiting for his first good '90 minute' performance in PL.

A PL goal would be nice..............any sort of goal. Lamela is what he is, an average midfielder who Levy paid three times as much for than the talent he got in return. Nothing new on that one.

It's embarrassing for the Club when you see what Mason (first season) Kane first full season and Bentaleb are producing on the pitch compared to Lamela. I mean no ill whatsoever against the boy but he's simply not suited to the PL. He won't be the first and will not be the last import to perform below what should be expected, but is't clear for all to see that he's way off the pace and loses the ball far too easily.

The stupidity of the excuse that he has "future potential" should be talked about with players such as Yedlin, Winks, and Carroll and not an established player costing more than anyone else who ever played in a Spurs shirt and with inflation taken into account cost more than Gazza, Ginola, Lineker, Sheringham. Berbatov, Keane, Defoe, Bale, Modric, Carrick and Ardiles did individually. Think about that for a minute and then reconsider Lamela's "future potential".

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

Worked for John Holmes and Ron Jeremy.

Sorry that's an awful joke.

 

[E17yid]

A goal would be nice..............any sort of goal. Lamela is what he is, an average midfielder who Levy paid three times as much for than the talent he got in return. Nothing new on that one.

It's embarrassing for the Club when you see what Mason (first season) Kane first full season and Bentaleb are producing on the pitch compared to Lamela. I mean no ill whatsoever against the boy but he's simply not suited to the PL. He won't be the first and will not be the last import to perform below what should be expected, but is't clear for all to see that he's way off the pace and loses the ball far too easily.

The stupidity of the excuse that he has "future potential" should be talked about with players such as Yedlin, Winks, and Carroll and not an established player costing more than anyone else who ever played in a Spurs shirt and with inflation taken into account cost more than Gazza, Ginola, Lineker, Sheringham. Berbatov, Keane, Defoe, Bale, Modric, Carrick and Ardiles did individually. Think about that for a minute and then reconsider Lamela's "future potential".

Why was his value so high in the first place?

He scored 15 goals as a 20 year old in one of Europe's top leagues.

Any kid like that in today's market is going to fetch £20m plus

 

[PeeEyeEmPee]

I always find the "not suited to the PL" a stupid argument, to be honest. there are 20 teams in the league, all with their own different styles of play, not every one of those plays at 100mph giving you absolutely no time on the ball, or however the tired cliche goes. and yet we're supposed to believe a perfectly talented player is unable to play in or against ANY of them? it's a lazy sweeping assessment with no real basis. all we can say at this point is that Lamela hasn't worked out FOR US as well as we thought he might...yet.

 

[mightyspur]

Who gave you these excuses & reasons?
How many more months are we going to sing the same tune?
Our academy players literally with no top level experience have given better performance , in most cases in 5 games and in some case their debut game...
Anyway let's wait for one more year and then agree that Lamela is not the player who you thought to be...

Should we not take into consideration the fact our academy players have come through the ranks playing a similar style to the premier league and are perhaps more suited when they first step out for their 1st team performance, or does that not factor into your assessment that Lamela obviously isn't good enough and we've bought a dud?

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

Why was his value so high in the first place?

He scored 15 goals as a 20 year old in one of Europe's top leagues.

Any kid like that in today's market is going to fetch £20m plus

Ye jest of course. The Italian League sits below that of the Conference thirty - third tier as far as i can ascertain. Fact is he didn't cost 20m plus, he cost 30 million, the largest amount paid for by Spurs. I'd expect a better return on investment in twenty odd games of PL footie.

 

[E17yid]

Ye jest of course. The Italian League sits below that of the Conference thirty - third tier as far as i can ascertain. Fact is he didn't cost 20m plus, he cost 30 million, the largest amount paid for by Spurs. I'd expect a better return on investment in twenty odd games of PL footie.

He cost £26m, so a little over the odds but not massively so, IMO

I'd agree that the Italian league is certainly not what is was a couple of decades ago but it's still a reputable European league with some decent clubs in it. Napoli gave Arsenal a run for their money, I'm sure the top 4 Italian clubs would be a good match for most team in the EPL. Fro example, would anyone be shocked if Roma did City in the CL next week?

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

He cost £26m, so a little over the odds but not massively so, IMO

I'd agree that the Italian league is certainly not what is was a couple of decades ago but it's still a reputable European league with some decent clubs in it. Napoli gave Arsenal a run for their money, I'm sure the top 4 Italian clubs would be a good match for most team in the EPL. Fro example, would anyone be shocked if Roma did City in the CL next week?

No he didn't. It was 30 after a "one off" payment i think you will find. Anyway Levy was still mugged even if it was 26 million. The Italian league is by far the worse of the main European leagues, and even more farcical than the two clubbed league in Spain. Hardly a yardstick for talent spotting, as we have now discovered. As i said i wish the boy no ill will, i just feel that after a season and a half, twenty odd PL games and those in the EL that i have seen little if any improvement. Paying 26 ot 30 million for "future potential" is something Spurs just cannot afford to do.

 

[E17yid]

No he didn't. It was 30 after a "one off" payment i think you will find. Anyway Levy was still mugged even if it was 26 million. The Italian league is by far the worse of the main European leagues, and even more farcical than the two clubbed league in Spain. Hardly a yardstick for talent spotting, as we have now discovered. As i said i wish the boy no ill will, i just feel that after a season and a half, twenty odd PL games and those in the EL that i have seen little if any improvement. Paying 26 ot 30 million for "future potential" is something Spurs just cannot afford to do.

I don't understand what you mean, how much was this one off payment. My understanding was that it was £26m plus bonus performance add on's (taking it up to £30m) which I can only assume haven't been met. Any way, that's all by the by

A season and a half? Bit harsh to judge him on last season when he only played 3 away league games. I don't think 20 games in, with new manager etc etc is quite enough time but fair enough if you think so, he hasn't set the league alight to be fair.

I'm certainly no expert but I don't think the Italian league is any worse than the French league and while La Liga only has 2 top clubs I still think the quality of the league is decent, the prem has sourced a lot of quality players from lower level La Liga teams and they've done excellently in the EPL, as have players from low level french clubs.

 

[E17yid]

No he didn't. It was 30 after a "one off" payment i think you will find. Anyway Levy was still mugged even if it was 26 million. The Italian league is by far the worse of the main European leagues, and even more farcical than the two clubbed league in Spain. Hardly a yardstick for talent spotting, as we have now discovered. As i said i wish the boy no ill will, i just feel that after a season and a half, twenty odd PL games and those in the EL that i have seen little if any improvement. Paying 26 ot 30 million for "future potential" is something Spurs just cannot afford to do.

I would also add that once a club like us have spent that much that we can't afford to just take a massive hit and lose loads of money, we have to give him every opportunity to turn it around, we're not Chelsea, we can't after 1 season say "fuck it, let's lose £20m and sell him now, it's clearly not working out" We're Spurs, we have to try and make this work, if for nothing else, BECAUSE he cost so much

 

[arunspurs]

Should we not take into consideration the fact our academy players have come through the ranks playing a similar style to the premier league and are perhaps more suited when they first step out for their 1st team performance, or does that not factor into your assessment that Lamela obviously isn't good enough and we've bought a dud?

Long answer- I have never seen Lamela play before he joined us. Now that he is with us for 1.4 years, what do I think of him ? Talented player, but someone who has never beaten a full back in all his PL games. From the 20+ games I have seen of him, he will not make it in PL.

Short answer- yes, we bought someone who may make it in other leagues but not in PL

 

[DaSpurs]

I always find the "not suited to the PL" a stupid argument, to be honest. there are 20 teams in the league, all with their own different styles of play, not every one of those plays at 100mph giving you absolutely no time on the ball, or however the tired cliche goes. and yet we're supposed to believe a perfectly talented player is unable to play in or against ANY of them? it's a lazy sweeping assessment with no real basis. all we can say at this point is that Lamela hasn't worked out FOR US as well as we thought he might...yet.

I'm sorry, but you don't have to look very far to see that it's very true that each league has very general styles of play. This is very commonly commented on by the players themselves when transferring between leagues, and of course by managers as well. Yes, there are microcosms that would permit a specific player to perform better with specific sides, but it is true some players do struggle with these general styles of play inherent to specific leagues.

IMO, I don't believe Lamela would have been/be faring any better with any other side in this league at this point. I don't think at the time he was mentally and physically strong enough for the Prem. I'm very glad to see that he's clearly been determined enough to improve however, and I look forward to seeing how he continues to develop.

 

[bobby soldier]

It's obvious what he brings to the team - if you look at this compilation of his play in a Spurs shirt you can clearly see he possesses the ability to carve teams open with his dribbling or by picking a pass. There aren't many players who can do it and he reminds me of Neymar sometimes when he plays at his best - a defender's nightmare.



It's up to the manager to use that pretty rare talent to decent effect by getting other players on the same wavelength and covering for his deficiencies / losing the ball.

Yes sometimes high risk but look at the panic being caused in defenders - that opens up a team and if the other players around him can take advantage we should score plenty of goals from it.

20 appearances this season with an average of 63 mins on the pitch per appearance, 3 goals and 7 assists. Not bad from where I'm sitting when he's not being used properly...

If he can click with Eriksen, Kane and Soldado then there's a lot of Premier League defences who are going to be ripped apart - he would have had a hell of a lot more assists if Adebayor hadn't wasted so much of Lamela's good work. Walker's return at right back will open up a lot more space outside him so cutting in will be easier, and if Kane and Soldado make intelligent runs and drag defenders out of position then we'll start seeing him at his best...

 

[Shea]

20 appearances this season with an average of 63 mins on the pitch per appearance, 3 goals and 7 assists. Not bad from where I'm sitting when he's not being used properly...

If he can click with Eriksen, Kane and Soldado then there's a lot of Premier League defences who are going to be ripped apart - he would have had a hell of a lot more assists if Adebayor hadn't wasted so much of Lamela's good work. Walker's return at right back will open up a lot more space outside him so cutting in will be easier, and if Kane and Soldado make intelligent runs and drag defenders out of position then we'll start seeing him at his best...

This can be taken in to account sure and used as evidence of his potential but it really has to be qualified by putting it into context when those his goals have all come against shit box teams in the Europa cup (might as well include his preseason mins/goal ratio)

What are his stats for EPL matches only this season out of interest?