Lamela

[Hoddle&Waddle]

It's obvious what he brings to the team - if you look at this compilation of his play in a Spurs shirt you can clearly see he possesses the ability to carve teams open with his dribbling or by picking a pass. There aren't many players who can do it and he reminds me of Neymar sometimes when he plays at his best - a defender's nightmare.



It's up to the manager to use that pretty rare talent to decent effect by getting other players on the same wavelength and covering for his deficiencies / losing the ball.

Yes sometimes high risk but look at the panic being caused in defenders - that opens up a team and if the other players around him can take advantage we should score plenty of goals from it.

20 appearances this season with an average of 63 mins on the pitch per appearance, 3 goals and 7 assists. Not bad from where I'm sitting when he's not being used properly...

If he can click with Eriksen, Kane and Soldado then there's a lot of Premier League defences who are going to be ripped apart - he would have had a hell of a lot more assists if Adebayor hadn't wasted so much of Lamela's good work. Walker's return at right back will open up a lot more space outside him so cutting in will be easier, and if Kane and Soldado make intelligent runs and drag defenders out of position then we'll start seeing him at his best...

That's bollocks.

 

[thinktank]

Much more disciplined from him overall tonight, not as much attempted trickery.

Looks like it will take a lot fo work by poch and the team to retrain that side of him and get him to use his skill in the right moments and balance his game out properly.

Lots of the season left to get it right for our boy, coco.

 

[Hoddle&Waddle]

Much more disciplined from him overall tonight, not as much attempted trickery.

Looks like it will take a lot fo work by poch and the team to retrain that side of him and get him to use his skill in the right moments and balance his game out properly.

Lots of the season left to get it right for our boy, coco.

He'll come good, still think he could do with a top class, experienced attacking player in the attack to help him out. Much like how he had Totti at Roma. Right now I dont see anyone guiding him on the pitch, nor giving him the bollockings he needs now and then.

 

[thinktank]

He'll come good, still think he could do with a top class, experienced attacking player in the attack to help him out. Much like how he had Totti at Roma.

I think we'll get the very best out of him when he calms his game down properly and we have a very stable 10 around him that know his game and will pass to him when he's in tight spaces and make the right runs for the kind of incisive passes he always looks to play.

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

I think we'll get the very best out of him when he calms his game down properly and we have a very stable 10 around him that know his game and will pass to him when he's in tight spaces and make the right runs for the kind of incisive passes he always looks to play.

So it's the other ten players now?

Let's hope Lloris takes extra training on Thursday.........











Jesus H Christ.

 

[PeeEyeEmPee]

I could perhaps understand all this criticism if we were a fully-functional team besides him, but when the team is at absolute best a work in progress, and a 22 year-old kid is being made the scapegoat....it really does hammer home how stupid a large section of our fans are

 

[Snarfalicious]

Think we should all buy "Future Potential" shirts. Feel as though @Gaz_Gammon might have a seizure at the sight, though.

 

[lukadownthelane]

Struggling to see it happening for him after today. Feels a bit Veron-ish!

 

[CarrickSpurgus]

Let's face it he's a one trick pony, all left foot , as much as I want him to succeed I just can't see it, look what Hazard gives Chelsea or even navas , fuck even mirallas gives more, for the money spent he needs to show a lot more.

 

[yankspurs]

What I see in Lamela is a kid who has clearly got the skill and drive to be an amazing player. I also see someone who gives it his all, never stops working and tries to get onto the ball. Rarely does he go absent. Yeah, he can get stronger and yeah, he could work on the end product. But we also need to use him the right way. The interchangeable AM/wingers will always end up narrowing the pitch. That is what we see with Poch and that is what is leading to Lamela looking like he does and leading him and Eriksen to constantly be near eachother. What tells me that it is down to intstruction is that even Lennon has been in the middle of the pitch way too often.

Lamela needs space to work. He's not getting that with Poch who is tactically narrowing the pitch. When you're on your front foot all the time, no one is making runs and in the middle of the pitch, you're going to end up dribbling too much, losing the ball or passing sideways. Especially when you are not a 10, which Lamela is not.

It is no coincidence that the games we looked best in attack have been vs Everton and Arsenal(i dont count QPR. A tactically inept harry and a side that was in completely awful form you should kill them). In those games, we set up to counter fast, leaving us to play directly so the interchanging AM's couldnt affect much. When your on your front foot all the time, you need to play fast and direct with players staying on the wings than drifting inside making runs off the ball or drifting inside towards goal with the ball or to make a pass to someone else making a run toward the goal. So you open up the defense. Interchangeable ams, sideways passing in the middle does not work. It is up to Poch to make the team play faster, more direct and to stop with the interchanging AM's. It does not work.

Let Lamela play where he should as an inverted winger playing fast, making runs into the box or making clever passes into the box and watch him thrive.

You certainly dont give up on him yet

 

[8Gazza]

Yup, its the manager's fault that he is constantly dispossessed and makes the wrong decisions on the ball

 

[Martinhotspur]

What I see in Lamela is a kid who has clearly got the skill and drive to be an amazing player. I also see someone who gives it his all, never stops working and tries to get onto the ball. Rarely does he go absent. Yeah, he can get stronger and yeah, he could work on the end product. But we also need to use him the right way. The interchangeable AM/wingers will always end up narrowing the pitch. That is what we see with Poch and that is what is leading to Lamela looking like he does and leading him and Eriksen to constantly be near eachother. What tells me that it is down to intstruction is that even Lennon has been in the middle of the pitch way too often.

Lamela needs space to work. He's not getting that with Poch who is tactically narrowing the pitch. When you're on your front foot all the time, no one is making runs and in the middle of the pitch, you're going to end up dribbling too much, losing the ball or passing sideways. Especially when you are not a 10, which Lamela is not.

It is no coincidence that the games we looked best in attack have been vs Everton and Arsenal(i dont count QPR. A tactically inept harry and a side that was in completely awful form you should kill them). In those games, we set up to counter fast, leaving us to play directly so the interchanging AM's couldnt affect much. When your on your front foot all the time, you need to play fast and direct with players staying on the wings than drifting inside making runs off the ball or drifting inside towards goal with the ball or to make a pass to someone else making a run toward the goal. So you open up the defense. Interchangeable ams, sideways passing in the middle does not work. It is up to Poch to make the team play faster, more direct and to stop with the interchanging AM's. It does not work.

Let Lamela play where he should as an inverted winger playing fast, making runs into the box or making clever passes into the box and watch him thrive.

You certainly dont give up on him yet

I see a kid who is amazingly pony

 

[arunspurs]

I think we'll get the very best out of him when he calms his game down properly and we have a very stable 10 around him that know his game and will pass to him when he's in tight spaces and make the right runs for the kind of incisive passes he always looks to play.

Unbelievable.....

 

[Snarfalicious]

So, there's basically two camps re: Lamela...

1.) Lamela is not worth the price tag, has not shown enough and should be sold to recoup as much of the money as we can get at this point.

2.) Lamela was purchased at an inflated price because of the market and based on FUTURE POTENTIAL (Woooooo!), hasn't been as bad as others seem to think and should be given an opportunity.


Can we pretty much just leave it at that?


I don't think he will be sold anytime soon. I haven't been overly happy with his performances and when I think he's turned a corner he puts together a performance that feels like two steps backward. I'm not giving up on him, I personally think he's got the ability to be an incredibly impactful player in the EPL, but he's really got to start putting together a string of quality performances across all competitions and relatively soon.

 

[arunspurs]

What you mean some players settle quicker more than others, no way!

Well you ought to know that young talented players always take time to settle down especially in this league particularly when they're under pressure to succeed some more than others so why should we treat Lamela any differently?

It's up to you though, you can sit there and bemoan the fact that he isn't producing and naively go on about his price tag and the fact that he's been here for over a year and a half, or you can look at things objectively and realise he's just played to the equivalent of half a season, be a good Spurs fan like the rest of us and realise that the club have made and investment on a kid who requires patience and time, stop fucking moaning and get behind him.

First of all, I have NEVER bemoaned his 25m or 30m price tag. Go through every single comment of mine. I never differentiate between players by price. Listen - we bought him, not to improve his skills. We bought him because our scouts thought he is almost a finished article. Sadly, he is not even close to that.
With literally no right foot, he is being eaten alive currently by PL defenses. Show him to his right side & get the ball from him.

Look at Bojan - player with similar technique, similar build. Look what he is doing at Stoke & the impact he is having.
And I am not being Objective ? SERIOUSLY ?
Substituted at half time at home against Crystal Palace...Why ? He was woeful. That is fucking objective
Stop giving excuses & just agree that as talented as can be he will not cut it in premier league.

 

[arunspurs]

So, there's basically two camps re: Lamela...

1.) Lamela is not worth the price tag, has not shown enough and should be sold to recoup as much of the money as we can get at this point.

2.) Lamela was purchased at an inflated price because of the market and based on FUTURE POTENTIAL (Woooooo!), hasn't been as bad as others seem to think and should be given an opportunity.


Can we pretty much just leave it at that?


I don't think he will be sold anytime soon. I haven't been overly happy with his performances and when I think he's turned a corner he puts together a performance that feels like two steps backward. I'm not giving up on him, I personally think he's got the ability to be an incredibly impactful player in the EPL, but he's really got to start putting together a string of quality performances across all competitions and relatively soon.

I am firmly in the camp of 1). But am realistic, He will not be sold because no one he is going to buy him back at 25m - which Levy wont accept. So choices are
i) Get lucky & find a proper winger to start ahead of Lamela
ii) Persist with Lamela in starting line up & hope he will one day turn up & play well (which isnt going to happen IMHO)

 

[thinktank]

Unbelievable.....

Shaadaap.

 

[Snarfalicious]

I am firmly in the camp of 1). But am realistic, He will not be sold because no one he is going to buy him back at 25m - which Levy wont accept. So choices are
i) Get lucky & find a proper winger to start ahead of Lamela
ii) Persist with Lamela in starting line up & hope he will one day turn up & play well (which isnt going to happen IMHO)

I think the hope is that he will find some consistency. While it irks others to come to his defense, he is only 22 years old, he only had 330' of EPL time last season, and he was an incredible talent for Roma. I do think he's gotten stronger and even a step faster this season. But, the problems persist with the lack of understanding of the speed of the EPL, the tick-too-slow reading of the pass, and also the ease in which he has been dispossessed.

The problem right now is that we desperately need our wingers (especially on the right) to be defensively responsible because our options at RB are between bad and shit. They need the protection that a guy like Lennon can offer but that in turn does effect a cohesive attacking unit because Lennon is really only valuable these days on the counter. Who knows if Walker will have the impact I think many of us hope he does. If he can have that big of an impact, it might allow for more freedom for Lamela to focus on where we need him most: in attack. However, Walker has never been the most defensive positioning-inclined, so that obviously has to worry you.

I'm not giving up hope, yet. At times I've been encouraged by what he's doing and that's what keeps me in the camp of wanting to stick with him.

 

[TheAmerican]

I think the hope is that he will find some consistency. While it irks others to come to his defense, he is only 22 years old, he only had 330' of EPL time last season, and he was an incredible talent for Roma. I do think he's gotten stronger and even a step faster this season. But, the problems persist with the lack of understanding of the speed of the EPL, the tick-too-slow reading of the pass, and also the ease in which he has been dispossessed.

The problem right now is that we desperately need our wingers (especially on the right) to be defensively responsible because our options at RB are between bad and shit. They need the protection that a guy like Lennon can offer but that in turn does effect a cohesive attacking unit because Lennon is really only valuable these days on the counter. Who knows if Walker will have the impact I think many of us hope he does. If he can have that big of an impact, it might allow for more freedom for Lamela to focus on where we need him most: in attack. However, Walker has never been the most defensive positioning-inclined, so that obviously has to worry you.

I'm not giving up hope, yet. At times I've been encouraged by what he's doing and that's what keeps me in the camp of wanting to stick with him.

You see glimpses of his Roma form when he plays in the Europa league. The gap between the Serie A and the EPL is not all that huge. I think it is 100% a mental thing. He doesn't have the same belief in league games. He needs to play with more confidence. If he did things first time (passes, skill, shots), I think we'd see more out of him. The best play he has had was when we were trouncing QPR and he was lighting on the pitch. He just needs to believe.

 

[arunspurs]

I think the hope is that he will find some consistency. While it irks others to come to his defense, he is only 22 years old, he only had 330' of EPL time last season, and he was an incredible talent for Roma. I do think he's gotten stronger and even a step faster this season. But, the problems persist with the lack of understanding of the speed of the EPL, the tick-too-slow reading of the pass, and also the ease in which he has been dispossessed.

The problem right now is that we desperately need our wingers (especially on the right) to be defensively responsible because our options at RB are between bad and shit. They need the protection that a guy like Lennon can offer but that in turn does effect a cohesive attacking unit because Lennon is really only valuable these days on the counter. Who knows if Walker will have the impact I think many of us hope he does. If he can have that big of an impact, it might allow for more freedom for Lamela to focus on where we need him most: in attack. However, Walker has never been the most defensive positioning-inclined, so that obviously has to worry you.

I'm not giving up hope, yet. At times I've been encouraged by what he's doing and that's what keeps me in the camp of wanting to stick with him.

Looking at how Pochettino has used him this season - I think he also sees him as potential, but slowly he is coming to a mindset, where he is ready to sub/leave him on bench, if others could offer better.

He needs to get a goal tap in or deflected or whatever. Infact, I would like him to take the next penalty in PL ahead of Soldado or Kane - just to see if he can capitalise on that & restart his stalled career

As a Spurs fan, I want every Spurs player do to well. But what I dont agree is the kind of excuses that is being given, just for the sake of supporting him