Lance Armstrong - to be stripped of his titles

[Misfit]

my mistake, tested positive but not prosecuted. hmmm

Happened all the time, and here we are.

 

[Real_madyidd]

And nothing to be embarrassed about either, you believed, rightly or wrongly that he was innocent.

He isn't, it's gutting, if you or anyone felt he deserved herioc status.

The deception of this bloke, the whole livestrong thing.. it goes beyond words this level of deciept to be honest with you, one of the worlds greatest cons - not sure if thats too far, or not far enough.

He has basically committed fraud. If he were to obtain the cash he has through a bank fraud or defrauding the govt then he would be looking at some serious jail time. He will pay a fine and it will be forgotten though

 

[Andy]

sad to see he cheated, gutted in fact, it was obvious i guess but he has done tonnes for a charity, yeah i know it doesn't cancel it out.
the people i feel for are the one's who don't cheat and the titles they could have won. the sport needs cleaning up in a really big way.

 

[barry]

Regarding the people who could have won in his place, it seems the majority of cyclists do drugs, so to me it was who could get the best drugs, and utilize them to their full effect. Armstrong could.
It's only a sport, and I actually believe his charity has more than compensated for his misdeeds.
How many people took up cycling because of armstrong? How many people has he helped through his charity?
He's been stripped of his titles and banned for life. He's Also despised by most. This to me is more than enough punishment.
I know he's a very rich man because of his success but the amount of people he's helped evens up his monetary gains for me
He's hasn't actually hurt anyone, maybe just the egoes of a few who adored him.

 

[dontcallme]

Regarding the people who could have won in his place, it seems the majority of cyclists do drugs, so to me it was who could get the best drugs, and utilize them to their full effect. Armstrong could.
It's only a sport, and I actually believe his charity has more than compensated for his misdeeds.
How many people took up cycling because of armstrong? How many people has he helped through his charity?
He's been stripped of his titles and banned for life. He's Also despised by most. This to me is more than enough punishment.
I know he's a very rich man because of his success but the amount of people he's helped evens up his monetary gains for me
He's hasn't actually hurt anyone, maybe just the egoes of a few who adored him.

Just can't agree with that.

If I defraud my company and make myself rich but use some of the money for charity is my misdeed excused?

It's very simple. He cheated and became exceptionally rich, powerful and influential because of it. He deserves to be in jail.

 

[Real_madyidd]

Just can't agree with that.

If I defraud my company and make myself rich but use some of the money for charity is my misdeed excused?

It's very simple. He cheated and became exceptionally rich, powerful and influential because of it. He deserves to be in jail.

Sadly, I have to agree with this. He should have all of his assets taken away and they should look into what money he has no doubt hidden.

 

[KentuckyYid]

Sadly, I have to agree with this. He should have all of his assets taken away and they should look into what money he has no doubt hidden.

All his assets? What about what he's made from investments? That too? I agree there should be some form of punishment but recklessly ruining a man doesn't seem the right course of action IMO.

 

[Real_madyidd]

All his assets? What about what he's made from investments? That too? I agree there should be some form of punishment but recklessly ruining a man doesn't seem the right course of action IMO.

Investments? The guy had nothing to invest if he wasn't a crook.

 

[KentuckyYid]

Investments? The guy had nothing to invest if he wasn't a crook.

Using that logic we'd better recklessly ruin all the banks too.

 

[Real_madyidd]

Using that logic we'd better recklessly ruin all the banks too.

That isn't "using that logic" at all. You are trying to draw a comparison that just isn't there.

 

[KentuckyYid]

That isn't "using that logic" at all. You are trying to draw a comparison that just isn't there.

Well you're also assuming he was a broke ass loser salvaged by cycling winnings. If so you'd send him back to being a broke ass loser.

Sorry mate, for me, there's a fairer form of punishment than stripping a man of all his assets. You say without the cycling he'd have had nothing to invest and that may or may not be true but turning investment into success isn't for everybody... A fool and his money easily parted and all that.

 

[Real_madyidd]

Well you're also assuming he was a broke ass loser salvaged by cycling winnings. If so you'd send him back to being a broke ass loser.

Sorry mate, for me, there's a fairer form of punishment than stripping a man of all his assets. You say without the cycling he'd have had nothing to invest and that may or may not be true but turning investment into success isn't for everybody... A fool and his money easily parted and all that.

I am not assuming anything. I have read more about him than probably anyone on this forum. The fact is that we don't know when he started using Steroids. He was a highly regarded triathlete when he got cancer (may have already been on the gear) - he was told that if he hadn't been so strong to start with he would have died. He lost weight and bulk, he became lean and when better was more built for cycyling. He probably found Steriods right at the start of his career, and they helped build him up. I guess we will see what he admits...

 

[nightgoat]

He's hasn't actually hurt anyone, maybe just the egoes of a few who adored him.

Try telling that to people like Christophe Bassons or Filippo Simeoni.

 

[al_pacino]

Try telling that to people like Christophe Bassons or Filippo Simeoni.

npt sure they should be mentioned in the same post. One was a cheat who eventually told the truth while the other had a promising career stolen form him by the cheats. Armstrong did treat them both like shit though.

 

[nightgoat]

I see your point, but ultimately Armstrong set out to ruin them both for daring to criticise him or tell the truth about doping.

 

[AW?]

I've read a couple of his books and although incredibly inspiring i never actually really liked him as a person, just respected his determination and self-belief. He was renowned for being very shrewd and if you weren't with him you were very much an enemy. I saw all of that as a trait for being at top of your game and successfull. The reality is he was just a horrendously vile bully who fucked over anybody who endangered his bullshit facade he'd created. It's fucking ridiculous now really to think it was possible for somebody to be that good yet still beat the rest who everybody knew were doping and be clean. I had a few doubts myself over the last few years but always given him the benefit of that doubt because of what he'd been through. Like a comment i saw on youtube said the other day said "he was a cancer beating messiah but now he's just a cancer beating lier". Harsh but true, and to think he might have given himself the cancer potentially? The more I read into this stuff the more i feel let down.

 

[Azazello]

I've read a couple of his books and although incredibly inspiring i never actually really liked him as a person, just respected his determination and self-belief. He was renowned for being very shrewd and if you weren't with him you were very much an enemy. I saw all of that as a trait for being at top of your game and successfull. The reality is he was just a horrendously vile bully who fucked over anybody who endangered his bullshit facade he'd created. It's fucking ridiculous now really to think it was possible for somebody to be that good yet still beat the rest who everybody knew were doping and be clean. I had a few doubts myself over the last few years but always given him the benefit of that doubt because of what he'd been through. Like a comment i saw on youtube said the other day said "he was a cancer beating messiah but now he's just a cancer beating lier". Harsh but true, and to think he might have given himself the cancer potentially? The more I read into this stuff the more i feel let down.

Definitely this.

 

[AW?]

Sorry for big paragraph but my phone restricts me.

 

[AW?]

Interesting feature just started on talkshit about it for the next hour with Danny Kelly who is one of the only guys worth listening to on that crappy station.

 

[AW?]

Really interesting listen that was. They had a Scott Mercier on there who was very humble about everything considering what happened to him. Tmorrow night they are doing a 2 hour special. I'm probably going to try and wtach the intervoew live if i can later. I'm not sleeping great anyway right now so going to stay up. Think OPrah is showing it live streamed on her website but i wonder if it'll be watchable worldwide. I've just been on her site and i find it a bit confusing, mind you i'm about as techy as my 90 year old nan.