Lazio Vs Tottenham: Match Thread
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spud
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Spot on, Mr P.
The lack of movement necessitates our midfield needing too many touches, which in turn means that teams can press us high up the pitch and force us into mistakes and ceding possession. Until we start to move - and that includes the player who has just played the ball - we will continue to struggle against teams that press us; and as opposing managers generally aren't stupid, the number of teams that do so will increase.
Gaz_Gammon
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Pre or post Xmas will do me just fine. Have you seen AVB's stats? I think we have now won two in eight? At least "post Xmas" we looked like a fucking team under Redknapp and not a shambles of an excuse of a team.
Even the mad Russian saw what a busted flush this guy is.
Gaz_Gammon
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You think what Spurs produced tonight was as good as what they produced in Milan i suppose. Not a single fricking shot on goal that would worry a Conference level keeper, not one single shot in ninety minutes.
Stavrogin
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It was pretty dire, but what if that goal had stood? Different game, probably more in our favour.
Although that doesn't excuse a generally lacklustre display. I'd be tempted to say it was down to Lazio or to chalk this up as a typical Europa league match - we just don't seem to care in this competition, it felt the same last year. I suppose the difference is though that this was a much stronger side and we've seen similar lethargic displays in the league.
The players are just in atrocious form. They're playing badly, they seem unfit and they appear to be arguing a lot. AVB needs to start experimenting and (taking a leaf out of Redknapp's book) micromanaging some of the players.
For example, maybe it's time to put Dawson back into the team - whatever criticisms people may have, his style and experience may be what's needed right now. If not, whatever... try something else, there are options.
And AVB needs to put some 'arms around shoulders'. With Redknapp we could see his influence throughout the team. He focused on getting Modric accustomed to the EPL, brought Palacios in as his signature signing, showed faith in Huddlestone etc. You look at our team now and you don't get a sense that AVB has a grip on anyone - none of the new players feel like 'his men', no one feels like a project of his. Perhaps Carroll will prove to be such a player but it doesn't look that likely.
It's possible that such a young manager, and one who is in a lot of ways an outsider, genuinely struggles to get respect from the players. Maybe it's hard to be inspired by someone who isn't much older and never played the game. Do we see a lot from freund in that respect? Poyet was very noticeable, I don't get that from the german.
night-watchman
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I think that is selective thinking. We were an absolute mess the second half of last season - and this was with Vdv, Modric, Kaboul and Benny. Give it time. We simply do not have as good a players this season and that is no fault of AVB's.
mattstev2000
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Man I wish people would stop whining about what Redknapp would have done. Criticise AVB all you want (although I don't think he did much wrong from a tactical point of view yesterday), but please stop comparing him to HR. He's gone, he ain't coming back, get over it.
Also, I just don't understand the mentality of wanting someone in charge who was so disinterested in being our manager that they spent half of last season flirting with another job (which resulted in them presiding over one of the worst drop offs in premier league history btw) only to suddenly start contradicting themselves and trying to negotiate a pay rise when the realised the new job was going to someone else.
Personally I'd rather have AVB in the job even if he is less successful, he seems like he wants to be our manager, he's clearly desperate to succeed, he has a lot of passion and I think if some of the dopes on the terraces got behind him and the players rather than picking irrational holes in every little decision then we'd have a good chance of success.
Also, I just don't understand the mentality of wanting someone in charge who was so disinterested in being our manager that they spent half of last season flirting with another job (which resulted in them presiding over one of the worst drop offs in premier league history btw) only to suddenly start contradicting themselves and trying to negotiate a pay rise when the realised the new job was going to someone else.
Personally I'd rather have AVB in the job even if he is less successful, he seems like he wants to be our manager, he's clearly desperate to succeed, he has a lot of passion and I think if some of the dopes on the terraces got behind him and the players rather than picking irrational holes in every little decision then we'd have a good chance of success.
mattstev2000
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...also anyone who thinks that HR with Modric, VDV, King and a fit Adebayor is a fair comparison to AVB with Hudd, Dempsey, Gallas and Defoe is a nutter butter.
Mr Pink
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I don't but its not fucking rocket science is it? unless you believe he's sending them out there to not press, and play dull and unimaginative football.
DanNolan
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cant believe the turnaround in ppls thinking on this forum. AVB was great 2 maybe 3 weeks ago. We lose to wigan and then 2 of the top 3 from last season both away and hes now the proble. People say we have fickle fans... have to agree. Not had a fit squad and missing two best players from last year (sold) and two top performing players from last year (parker kaboul) a fit lb (bae) and our playmaker (dembele) and ppl wonder and blame AVB. Give the guy a break!
DEFchenkOE
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Are our players good or average? At least 80% of them look average to me. Especially the guys who have been starting recently. Dempsey, Sig, Naughton, Walker, Hudd, Defoe all have average abilities compared to good premier league players imo. And I'm talking about overall ability, passing, moving, technique, intelligence, workrate etc
A lot of our players seem to be lacking these fundamentals to be good or very good players imo
Spurs_Bear
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Totally agree that we need to stop talking about him.
However, if you read back through the match thread and previous threads, the main people that are actually bringing him up are the ones that are determined to paint AVB in some kind of angelic capacity.
You can count the people on one hand that have actually said they want Redknapp back.
I like AVB, for a lot of the reasons that you have listed above, but for me, injuries and transfer fuck ups by the great man Daniel Levy aside, he is making a shit load of errors at the moment and even the people that want him to succeed more than anything are going to have to put up with it for now.
coys63
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You were the one rating our performance, not me. My reply was simply in response to your comment "Ive seen Stoke and QPR play better footie this season." You very well may have, but not against Lazio away from home. Do you honestly think Stoke or QPR would have put up a better performance than us last night?
mattstev2000
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Maybe it just came off as more people in the last few pages of this thread.
Also, I don't really see that AVB has made a 'shit load of errors' so far - he's definitely made mistakes but I think generally we as Spurs fans just have to accept that we don't have a particularly great squad at the moment.
If you take 5 or 6 players out of our squad (Dembele, Bale, Ade, Vertonghen, Lloris, Sandro etc.) then what's left would be a mid - lower table squad to be honest. The rest of the players are either older and prone to injury, inconsistent or decidedly mediocre.
