- Jun 4, 2004
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well its not incorrect, as he is back in the sence that he is playing football for us again :shrug:
He was playing football again in the reserves last week. Why does this thread appear now?
well its not incorrect, as he is back in the sence that he is playing football for us again :shrug:
YES THEY DO! Van Persie has just come though a reserve game in the last few days as well, and i would rather King gets another 45/75 mins in the reservs than a 20 min cameo at the weekend.
King has already said he needs to work on his fitness and playing 75mins in the reservs will be better for him than only playing 20.
1 week and 1 day not 2 weeks
This shows that those who suggested he would be back for the Man Shitty game last week really had their heads in cloud cuckoo land.
There's no point bringing him back until he is 100% ready in terms of match fitness. If he comes back any sooner there is a huge risk he will break down again which would be nuts for the sake of a week or two.
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and i disagree the 20mins in a PL games is less on fitness than even a 90min stroll in the reserves. It's not about anerobic fitness it's match sharpness. Hids lung capacity and muscle desnity etc would have been optimum before the ridiculous 45mins last week.
on a worse pitches, controlled by a weaker standard of ref agasint hot headed youngsters is a stupid risk. With the odd possible exception, TOP bastards don't do this.. they really don't with world class players!! Henry, Ronaldhino, Rooney, Gerard etc etc don't play reserve games. they get incremented minutes off the bench in first team games when they are coming back from injury.
okay, so when was the last time henry, ronaldinho, rooney, gerrard were out for, what, say almost a year?
Rooney was out for 4 months before he played his first game for utd... first game was in the XI in the CL he scored a hatrick.
Although i was using the names as examples to illustrate the level of player that wouldn't and imo shouldn't be used in a reserve team. Ronaldo (tubby brazilian) didn't play a single reserve game during his time out at inter or Madrid. Gazza didn't after his broken leg for Lazio either... more recently Eto, Henry etc etc
Italy or Spain don't even have Reverve teams.. so what do you imagine happens there? What must they do and how come thier world class players come back world class without such fixtures?? ... perhaps you think it's vodoo?
I'm not sure about France or Germany... would be supirsed to find out neither had a reserve league either. Perhaps someone can set me straight on that.
I predict you'll come back on the first point and say 4 months out isn't the same as a year!
a) kings been out for just about 6 months to date
and
b)please explain how a year out is worst than 4 months...
I assume you were implying a year is somehow more detrimental?
My point is I won't see him playing tomorrow at Fratton Park.
Rooney was out for 4 months before he played his first game for utd... first game was in the XI in the CL he scored a hatrick.
Although i was using the names as examples to illustrate the level of player that wouldn't and imo shouldn't be used in a reserve team. Ronaldo (tubby brazilian) didn't play a single reserve game during his time out at inter or Madrid. Gazza didn't after his broken leg for Lazio either... more recently Eto, Henry etc etc
Italy or Spain don't even have Reverve teams.. so what do you imagine happens there? What must they do and how come thier world class players come back world class without such fixtures?? ... perhaps you think it's vodoo?
I'm not sure about France or Germany... would be supirsed to find out neither had a reserve league either. Perhaps someone can set me straight on that.
I predict you'll come back on the first point and say 4 months out isn't the same as a year!
a) kings been out for just about 6 months to date
and
b)please explain how a year out is worst than 4 months...
I assume you were implying a year is somehow more detrimental?
I think it's probably a case of different players and different injuries needing different approaches. It's far easier for a striker to come in without having played any matches as its far more an impact role. They only really need one moment to make an impact on the game.
For a defender is slightly different as it is as much about mental sharpness and focus as well as they can't really relax on the physical side for an entire game. I think it is far more common for defenders who have had serious injuries to play a few reserve team fixtures.
Also it would depend on the type of injury. If it is an injury that has effected the player from keeping up any kind of physical training for a long period of time then it is usually a pretty good idea to get some lower paced games in first as going straight into a high paced game would tend to leave players more at risk of picking up another injury due to not being in top physical shape. No matter how much gym work or running you do, it is very difficult to simulate the twisting and turning, the changes in pace etc. of a game.
Oh and of course Italy and Spain have reserve games. I saw Treviso reserves not so long ago and in Spain not only do they have B teams, many of the bigger clubs also have C teams. In fact Spanish B teams compete in the lower leagues of the league structure so I am not quite sure how you managed to come up with that statement.
100 reserve team games wouldn't get you PL match fit that you'll have to accept i'm afraid but argue agaisnt me if you are not brave enough to back down on a public forum it make no odds to me, it's your reputation your damaging not mine. And if there is a chance of a player breaking down they shouldn't even be in full training let alone in a reserve game. I'm very glad you are not in charge of THFC.
well i said a year because as far as i can remember, his last game for us was more or less against sevilla, and even if it was after that he's been so stop start with 2 months here, and another 2-3 there that it's almost a year.
of course i'm implying that being out for a year is more detrimental than 4 months, it's an extra 8 months of getting out of shape, whilst one's muscles also suffer from not being used, not to mention your ability to read a game.
i don't know about what goes on in italy or spain in great depth so i can't really comment on that, are you?
what i do know is though is that LK has not undergone a pre-season, and we don't know exactly how long he has been in full training., or how close he is to full fitness so all of this is conjecture.
i also know that he could (potentially) be injury-prone, and so we want to be 100% before we know he's ready.
in the EPL, you can only have 4 outfield subs, why risk him in a game when you could compromise your tactics and ability to respond to a game by having to withdraw him prematurely and using up most probably your only defensive cover?
this is especially true now when every game is critical for us as we try and salvage this season.
tell me i'm wrong.
Are you not quite clearly missing the point of the Reserve games? Of course they're not as frenetic as PL matches, that's the point. They bridge the much needed gap between training and first team football. Something that a player who has been so nursed, recently, needs more than anything.
It's basic biology isn't it? You don't go to the gym for 2 months. Then you go back and do the same session you did before (when you were going). The next day (and even during) you're destroyed.
He needs to be gently brought back - and I don't see him complaining about it, nor Rocha. In fact, I think they are probably quite glad to at least play some competitive football that isn't as strenuous.
Think about how they feel and react. Not just the impression it gives out of the club.
leds was due to play tonight against liverpool but as poster correctly said got a slight knock end of last week, nothing major , as ive always maintained he will be back and isnt far off now