Match Threads Leeds Vs Spurs - Match Thread - Day 35 - KO 12:30

[Shadydan]

Keep on giving them excuses. I’m guilty of it as anyone but they, winks, Sissoko, dier, Lamela, Aurier have all had more than enough chances. As Poch once said, we aren’t a charity.

I swear no other serious club keeps players as long as we do, giving them repeated turns to fail.

It's been 2 seasons - 2 seasons of two managers getting sacked, 3 managers who have managed the team and have all implemented a different play style to one another, 2 seasons in a rebuild process and transition - all I'm saying is that we need to be fair in our expectations.

Man City gave Sterling 2 seasons before he started to come good by the way...

 

[spursfast]

They let us all down every time

mason hasn't got a clue... not his fault, the players cant manage a game themselves, they need that guidance an experience manager brings , belsa out thought mason today

 

[spursfan77]

It's been 2 seasons - 2 seasons of two managers getting sacked, 3 managers who have managed the team and have all implemented a different play style to one another, 2 seasons in a rebuild process and transition - all I'm saying is that we need to be fair in our expectations.

Man City gave Sterling 2 seasons before he started to come good by the way...

Man City could afford to wait for Sterling. We can’t afford to wait for these two. If it was up to me I would sell Ndombele out of the two. He’s on big money, would fetch a good fee and I just don’t see how a team can line up with him in it and be successful in the PL. He’s not good enough in a midfield two and isn’t productive enough for the number 10 position. We could sell him, buy a better centre half or more suitable central midfielder for the team and league and be a better side.

 

[Phil-spur99]

I guess so but then again Fernandes and Grealish are two of the best players in this league and both have super strong mentalities and thus their teams rely so much on them. I wouldn't put either player in that bracket to carry such a burden because they are not those types of players however there are plenty of players who have flourished in this league who you wouldn't say are leaders either.

The leadership has to come from other players just to supplement the talent they have, I look for leadership in the likes of Kane and Hojbjerg so they can provide the platform for these players to show what they are capable of.

We've gone backwards as a club in the last 2 years but it's not because of them so it's unfair to judge them on that basis.

I understand your point and agree that they can’t be held solely to blame, far from it but equally don’t think they have done enough and I wouldn’t be too disappointed if either or both of them left as I just don’t think they are right for a team rebuilding.

 

[Mattspurs1982]

The players have their shit together, the problem is that a lot of them simply isn't good enough. The fact that we sacked both Pochettino and Mourinho and yet people still somehow think these players will magically start performing with yet another manager is so frustrating to me.

agree to a degree however that squad does have some decent players and we’re talking about beating the likes of Leeds, Wolves and Villa - something even Jol’s teams were consistently quite capable of doing with a lesser squad. As I said, it was more hope than anything.... but I should know by now spurs will always hurt you

 

[Shadydan]

Man City could afford to wait for Sterling. We can’t afford to wait for these two. If it was up to me I would sell Ndombele out of the two. He’s on big money, would fetch a good fee and I just don’t see how a team can line up with him in it and be successful in the PL. He’s not good enough in a midfield two and isn’t productive enough for the number 10 position. We could sell him, buy a better centre half or more suitable central midfielder for the team and league and be a better side.

Man City could have easily replaced him after 1 season because they can write players off for cheap and they have the financial muscle to bring a replacement in as easy as that but they didn't - do we have that? That brings me to my 2nd point, how many players have we brought over the last few years have settled straight away? Your idea of replacing them sounds a fair one but you're going to replace them with players who are going to take a long time to acclimatise just like these 2 - it's pointless...Give them another year in more favorable/settled circumstances and we'll see if they are able to start fulfilling their potential.

You say that Ndombele can't play in a midfield 2, well Ndombele can improve, he's nowhere near done and isn't anywhere near finished learning how to play in midfield, he has plenty of mileage on him as as Lo Celso.

 

[Springerding]

Whoever comes in as the new coach / manager, there has to be a hard cull. Lots of players to be rid off. No point keeping them, unless we just want to go back to the midtable days.

Agree, but, were talking about Levy here, hypothetically, had Jose said to him I'll need 7 players in the summer and gave him a list that added up to 200m Levy would rather sack him, hire someone else and tell them to use the brilliant players we have.
The owners are the cloud that hovers over our club and it will never change till they are out.

 

[nico97531]

mason hasn't got a clue... not his fault, the players cant manage a game themselves, they need that guidance an experience manager brings , belsa out thought mason today

Leeds players out worked and out run our lot is the main reason we lost, the players couldn’t match the opposition’s desire and effort which is a common theme for us under 3 different managers now. They don’t need guidance from experience managers they need to fuck off.

 

[Ionman34]

The attitude of this lot is the absolute worst I've seen in a long time.

Every single test they have been given, they've failed, absolute bottle jobs !

When there is any sort of pressure on this lot they simply fold or crumble at the first sign of trouble. No heart, no desire, and when you're watching them you get the distinct impression that they don't seem aware of the gravity or urgency of the situation or they don't seem bothered, they just don't seem to want it. An absolute waste of space.

We take the piss out of Arsenal and the way they put in a limp display in that semi final earlier this week, well all I can say is this, people with glass houses shouldn't throw stones, other than a few points better in the league, do I so any difference in attitude and effort between Arsenal and us ? Do I f*ck, if anyone does I don't know what they are seeing, as far as I'm concerned they must be watching different games in a parallel universe.

Agreed...

Without the expletives

 

[Tyler24durden]

Signing players like lo celso, ndombele, Sanchez for vast amounts of money points to poor scouting.

Denis Zakaria was available for £2.5m a few years back, as was sander Berge fir a small amount.

soumare at Lille is no surprise either.

there are so many better options and we have spent £30m on bergwjyn, give me strength.

poor recruiting.

dier, Davies, lamela, lo celso, Sanchez, ndombele, aurier, winks, Clarke, Doherty and Sissoko are nowhere near good enough.

Need a dof like Ragnick to sort this mess out.

we do not need to spend fortunes on players but you need to find the right players for the right price.
Some times you spend big on a dias or Fernandes, other times you pick up a Zakaria, Berge etc for very little.

it’s about the right player.

 

[spursfan77]

Man City could have easily replaced him after 1 season because they can write players off for cheap and they have the financial muscle to bring a replacement in as easy as that but they didn't - do we have that? That brings me to my 2nd point, how many players have we brought over the last few years have settled straight away? Your idea of replacing them sounds a fair one but you're going to replace them with players who are going to take a long time to acclimatise just like these 2 - it's pointless...Give them another year in more favorable/settled circumstances and we'll see if they are able to start fulfilling their potential.

You say that Ndombele can't play in a midfield 2, well Ndombele can improve, he's nowhere near done and isn't anywhere near finished learning how to play in midfield, he has plenty of mileage on him as as Lo Celso.

Well, let’s hope they come good. I don’t want to sell them but if a good offer came in I think we’d entertain it. Obviously there’s loads more ahead of them to be sold but I can see us taking the easy option.

 

[holsten777]

Already there mate. Only Kane (maybe Son and Hugo) will make my heart upset if they decide to leave.

Will make my heart upset if Kane doesn't decide to leave, he's proved that he deserves better. Our owners don't care a toss about winning football games. Fully prepared for his exit

 

[Monkey boy]

Will make my heart upset if Kane doesn't decide to leave, he's proved that he deserves better. Our owners don't care a toss about winning football games. Fully prepared for his exit

well then you are a moron.

 

[JR1994]

Seeing that **** score the winner for Chelsea as well wow what a Saturday

 

[Deleted member 29446]

Only just watched the game now.

I must say deserved Leeds win, they're playing some lovely stuff.

I didn't think we were that bad to be honest. We're simply no where near where we need to be yet, and everyone who got their hopes up well you shouldn't.

As someone has already mentioned, we can't afford to have 4 luxury players up top, again poor sides maybe.

Bale, was anonymous
Reggie, he isn't as good as I had hoped
PEH wasn't good either
Aurier, no.
Lloris, some good saves but his time is up. Stupid puching, poor kicking and can't command his defense or goal.

Oh and i almost forgot.
We're 2-1 down. And Mason brings on LAMELA and LUCAS? What the actual fuck.

 

[DiamondLites]

Leeds players out worked and out run our lot is the main reason we lost, the players couldn’t match the opposition’s desire and effort which is a common theme for us under 3 different managers now. They don’t need guidance from experience managers they need to fuck off.

It wasn’t just the difference in workrate and aggression, the Leeds players to a man showed quality on the ball. That’s the baffling thing, on paper we have players of superior quality but you wouldn’t of guessed it if you watched that match. It boils down to coaching and attitude of the players. And I’m afraid we have been sorely lacking one and/or both for quite some time now

 

[double0]

mason hasn't got a clue... not his fault, the players cant manage a game themselves, they need that guidance an experience manager brings , belsa out thought mason today

Its nothing to do with the manager... some times the hard truths is painful to hear. Poch mentioned the rebuild will be painful. The quicker Levy takes his head out of the ground the better you'd think but no we skirt around the rebuild not backing Poch going with a desperate Mourinho looking for a way back into football.

Mourinho spoke the absolute truth as did Poch with the quote same manager different players, that didn't go down well with Levy as it hawked back to the first truth from Poch. A clear as day assessment to the lack of quality in the squad. Note Mourinho hadn't helped matters with the type of football we've been forced to watch.

Levy has had a shambolic run I reckon his position could be untenable at this rate, the next appointment has to be right.

 

[nico97531]

It wasn’t just the difference in workrate and aggression, the Leeds players to a man showed quality on the ball. That’s the baffling thing, on paper we have players of superior quality but you wouldn’t of guessed it if you watched that match. It boils down to coaching and attitude of the players. And I’m afraid we have been sorely lacking one and/or both for quite some time now

As the saying goes, you need to earn the right to play. Doesn’t matter our players having superior quality on paper or real life if they are not willing to put in the hard work then this is exactly what’s going to happen and it will keep happening until the mentality of the players or the players themselves are changed.

 

[bozzaSPUR]

Leeds players out worked and out run our lot is the main reason we lost, the players couldn’t match the opposition’s desire and effort which is a common theme for us under 3 different managers now. They don’t need guidance from experience managers they need to fuck off.
This!

 

[bozzaSPUR]

The slow rot started from the transferless windows , a few seasons ago.

F*** off with that crap. So boring. Can’t you think of anything original?