Match Threads Leicester Vs Spurs: Postponed

[gibbospurs]

Totally irrelevant
Circuit breaker will do nothing, until the whole country is in lockdown, and nobody wants that again.
It is something we are going to have to live with. All players must be vaccinated, mandated if necessary, take necessary precautions, but treated like all other injuries if absent.
Plenty of other professions are in much closer contact with Covid and they don't shut down.

What difference would it make if they were all vaccinated? It doesn’t stop you getting it or passing it on.

 

[TheSpillage]

surely its the rate of infection that is the issue atm plus not knowing the true impact of this variant - the potential for infection at big gatherings is obvious football needs to act a little responsibly and shut itself down until the new year imo - we then begin to start getting a bit more knowledge of the variant and where we all stand but it seems to be a bit of an unneccessary risk for everyone to be taking when there are other options

But football shutting itself down will essentially have negligible impact in the grand scheme of Covid in the UK. And what happens if we discover that ‘where we all stand’ is that Omicron is indeed very infectious and as bad as delta? What do we do then? What if Boris says the country should carry on as per? Do we, as the footballing community, continue to not play?

My point is, that unless the country goes as one with any combative measures, then it won’t make any real difference. Football will face exactly the same problems it’s facing now, but 2 weeks down the line instead.

Anyway, this probably belongs in another thread so I‘ll leave it there.

 

[Dead Ringer]

What difference would it make if they were all vaccinated? It doesn’t stop you getting it or passing it on.

The second sentence would make a great tattoo for some

 

[louisg]

What difference would it make if they were all vaccinated? It doesn’t stop you getting it or passing it on.

Exactly, this isn’t going to go away. We need to learn to live with it and get on with life. Can’t keep locking down, as more businesses will go under including football clubs.

 

[ShelfWatcher]

Exactly, this isn’t going to go away. We need to learn to live with it and get on with life. Can’t keep locking down, as more businesses will go under including football clubs.

Too right, no lockdowns, no crackdowns, no circuit breakers. It's Covid not Ebola, we have to live with it
Those who want/need to stay at home, fine no problem
But most of us, including me, want to keep on living.

 

[mattstev2000]

What difference would it make if they were all vaccinated? It doesn’t stop you getting it or passing it on.

It actually does, it stops some people getting it all together, which in turn limits transmission and it greatly reduces the severity for a lot of other people.

38% transmission of delta for unvaccinated people in a household setting vs 25% transmission for people who have been vaccinated (from an ICL study I think).

 

[Hoopspur]

Play the friggin games even if you have to field U23’s, U18’s or whatever. 60k supporters will go to the stadium and be let in, hopefully without this variant. Hopefully (the rules say) all with Covid passes/Covid clear. How are the players in this situation?

I was going to Leicester today, as I was to Brighton, and the game was called off once again hours before kick off. Why, when it could have been done days ago? Once again I am being taken the piss out of - for this and this alone.

As it happens I reckon the medical and political profession is in such a complete mess and don’t know what in the hell to do.

 

[purple8]

Time for a change -we didn't lose today.

Do we loose on our birthday. That's not a please remind me of all the times we have. That's a can't remember it don't want to remember ?

 

[Grey Fox]

Too right, no lockdowns, no crackdowns, no circuit breakers. It's Covid not Ebola, we have to live with it
Those who want/need to stay at home, fine no problem
But most of us, including me, want to keep on living.

Tell that to all the NHS staff and carers

 

[gibbospurs]

Tell that to all the NHS staff and carers

I worked at a lady’s house today, works in Bedford hospital. She said there were 43 COVID patients last week and this week only 24. ?‍ Maybe tell the thousands of people’s families who’ve lost loved ones through suicide over lockdowns. More people die of cancer a year. Maybe throw billions on billions on a cure. But that’s all for a different thread.

 

[PCozzie]

What difference would it make if they were all vaccinated? It doesn’t stop you getting it or passing it on.

True to an extent. There is a reduction in transmission if you are vaccinated, but not 100%. Similarly for contracting it. This is one of the discussions that need to happen in the near future. Keeping it football related, rather than general Covid chat, a decision needs to be made as to whether players who test positive should just continue to play; whether they should isolate and the match continue with whoever is left; or if matches need to be postponed if there is a small outbreak. Football can't carry on with this ad hoc cancellation of matches at very short notice.

What is almost certain is that there will never be a time when players will no longer test positive for Covid. It will happen every day, every week, every month. So how do we move forward, because there needs to be a protocol. Fans won't buy a match ticket, or a train ticket, for 6 weeks in advance if there is a chance there won't be a game. Who's happy to pay over a grand for a season ticket not knowing which weeks a match will be on, or even if the season will finish. Who's going to bid for, and spend billions on a World Cup that might not happen?

The PL could stop the season tomorrow, have two weeks off in total isolation, and still players will test positive when it resumes because they have lives away from football. They have kids that go to school; partners that go to work; parents who visit; friends that come round for BBQs. The club has staff that serve meals, provide massages. And they all have lives away from football too where they will become infected and then infect the players in turn.

Sorry Gibbo, that wasn't all in response to your post.

 

[dk-yid]

I worked at a lady’s house today, works in Bedford hospital. She said there were 43 COVID patients last week and this week only 24. ?‍ Maybe tell the thousands of people’s families who’ve lost loved ones through suicide over lockdowns. More people die of cancer a year. Maybe throw billions on billions on a cure. But that’s all for a different thread.

Suicides were down significantly in 2020 compared to 2019, with the same trend likely for 2021.

40.000 people were hospitalised during the second wave peak with figures from countries ahead of the UK time wise in the third wave (with new variant) seeing faster transmission rates than in the second wave.

In 2020 There were 65.000 first presentations of cancer, and an average of roughly 12-13000 hospitalised with cancer for emergency cases.

The daily increase in hospitalisation of covid patients is increasing again now leading to a strain on existing resources potentially crippling key parts of the NHS, delaying critical services and operations, incluiding to cancer patients and starting to drive away medical professionals due to stress and overwork.

But by all go means live your life....

 

[ShelfWatcher]

Tell that to all the NHS staff and carers

Of course I would, so would most of the British population, we want to live our lives, not hide away from Covid

 

[gibbospurs]

Suicides were down significantly in 2020 compared to 2019, with the same trend likely for 2021.

40.000 people were hospitalised during the second wave peak with figures from countries ahead of the UK time wise in the third wave (with new variant) seeing faster transmission rates than in the second wave.

In 2020 There were 65.000 first presentations of cancer, and an average of roughly 12-13000 hospitalised with cancer for emergency cases.

The daily increase in hospitalisation of covid patients is increasing again now leading to a strain on existing resources potentially crippling key parts of the NHS, delaying critical services and operations, incluiding to cancer patients and starting to drive away medical professionals due to stress and overwork.

But by all go means live your life....

Did you not read my first part of the post? About hospitalisations? People are getting ill with bad cold symptoms in December. Also, I lady I spoke too lost her daughter to suicide during the first lockdown. Try telling her stats off the web

 

[cjsimba]

Too right, no lockdowns, no crackdowns, no circuit breakers. It's Covid not Ebola, we have to live with it
Those who want/need to stay at home, fine no problem
But most of us, including me, want to keep on living.

Tell that to all the NHS staff and carers

And tell that to all those with cancer and other serious illnesses in hospital who aren’t getting the treatment they need because selfish people like you are happy to ‘live your life’, leading to increased covid spread, leading to increased number of beds taken up by covid patients, leading to hospital resource being directed to helping those people when it could have been directed at cancer patients.

You ‘living your life’ has a knock on effect on so so many so think about that.

 

[ralphs bald spot]

But football shutting itself down will essentially have negligible impact in the grand scheme of Covid in the UK. And what happens if we discover that ‘where we all stand’ is that Omicron is indeed very infectious and as bad as delta? What do we do then? What if Boris says the country should carry on as per? Do we, as the footballing community, continue to not play?

My point is, that unless the country goes as one with any combative measures, then it won’t make any real difference. Football will face exactly the same problems it’s facing now, but 2 weeks down the line instead.

Anyway, this probably belongs in another thread so I‘ll leave it there.
[/QUOTE]

I do take your point but when we first had COVID come into all our lives two of the big spreading events were Cheltenham and Liverpool playing Atletico - its about risk management why create that risk by having big crowds throughout the xmas period when you can avoid it. If it turns out its not going to have huge impact great then you play the games later down the line - if it is as bad as previous versions where back to playing behind closed doors.

I think people are concentrating on the players but its the supporters where the real risk is - its alright saying that we all have to have COVID passes and for the majority that's fine but its so easy to circumvent if your self testing and I don't think you can expect a teenager steward to check every covid pass going into the ground. No one wants to go backwards but I think you have to listen and I may end up being an hypocrite and going to the games most likely but I am not convinced its the right thing to do or that the clubs should be putting people into that situation

but as you say its a football forum and these are dark waters to go down

 

[ShelfWatcher]

And tell that to all those with cancer and other serious illnesses in hospital who aren’t getting the treatment they need because selfish people like you are happy to ‘live your life’, leading to increased covid spread, leading to increased number of beds taken up by covid patients, leading to hospital resource being directed to helping those people when it could have been directed at cancer patients.

You ‘living your life’ has a knock on effect on so so many so think about that.

And you try telling that to the majority of the British public, who like me, don't want any more lockdowns and who want to live lives
Of course any sane person feels sorry for anyone suffering directly or indirectly from Covid. I wish all of them, the NHS staff and carers well, and am very grateful for all they do
But you and others who want more lockdowns are out of touch with the majority. We've done our lockdowns, the sensible ones like me are triple jabbed, obviously some can't be for medical reasons etc
Boris is right to resist calls for lockdowns, and I support him in that
I don't want to derail this thread, so that's the last I discuss Covid on here, except with very narrow football parameters

 

[mil1lion]

What difference would it make if they were all vaccinated? It doesn’t stop you getting it or passing it on.

Exactly and it baffles me how people can even suggest it be mandatory. It should be every humans right to decide whether to get it. By all means they should be encouraged to get a vaccine. By no means they should be forced or pressured into it. At the end of the day if someone decides not to get the vaccine they put themselves at risk not others. The vaccine is there to give you better protection against it but it's a personal choice. Like getting anti virus on your PC doesn't guarantee a virus doesn't get in. It just gives better chance of protecting against it and help prevent it spreading and becoming more damaging if it does.

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

Exactly and it baffles me how people can even suggest it be mandatory. It should be every humans right to device whether to get it. By all means they should be encouraged to get a vaccine. By no means they should be forced or pressured into it. At the end of the day if someone decides not to get the vaccine they put themselves at risk not others. The vaccine is there to give you better protection against it but it's a personal choice. Like getting anti virus on your PC doesn't guarantee a virus doesn't get in. It just gives better chance of protecting against it and help prevent it spreading and becoming more damaging if it does.

This should all be in the coronavirus thread but re you highlighted comments, people who do not vaccinate do put others at risk, NHS staff do not die from the majority of cases they treat like cancer etc but they have done from Covid ..., just a few NHS staff who have died sure the list is much longer

Remembering the UK doctors who have died of covid-19 | The BMJ

Healthcare workers are on the frontline of efforts to treat patients during this covid-19 pandemic. Sadly many healthcare workers across the world lost their lives to covid-19 while in the line of duty.

www.bmj.com

 

[mil1lion]

This should all be in the coronavirus thread but re you highlighted comments, people who do not vaccinate do put others at risk, NHS staff do not die from the majority of cases they treat like cancer etc but they have done from Covid ..., just a few NHS staff who have died sure the list is much longer

Remembering the UK doctors who have died of covid-19 | The BMJ

Healthcare workers are on the frontline of efforts to treat patients during this covid-19 pandemic. Sadly many healthcare workers across the world lost their lives to covid-19 while in the line of duty.

www.bmj.com

How many of those were fully vaccinated if any?