Let's All Laugh At... Let's all laugh at Chelsea thread

['O Zio]

But the vast majority of Spurs fans using it aren't Jewish.

The word Yid wasn't invented to mock Spurs fans it is a derogatory word for Jewish people. If there was a football team who for whatever reason called themselves the N**** Army, that wouldn't completely replace the entire history of the N-Word down to just "banter at a football match".

I'm sorry, but what that is is a purely reductive standpoint. 'Examples of derogatory racial slurs that some people have "re-purposed"', are where the similarities begin and end. The historical context and moral justifications for the respective usages are worlds apart. One was born out of centuries of racial subjugation, the other from taunting at a football match. If you really can't see the difference there then I can't help you.

Likewise, if you think that the only way Jewish people have been oppressed throughout history is some twat Chelsea fan singing songs at them in a football stadium then I don't think I can help you either mate. I genuinely don't understand your logic. It seems to me like you're saying that because Spurs fans use the word Yid, that totally overrides the millennia of persecution suffered by the Jews and it boils down to just a football insult

 

[riggi]

I think there's a fair bit of misunderstanding here.

 

[King of Otters]

So Anti-semitism only exists because of football?

Wow some people really can't be helped!

If you read my post very carefully, SpursDave88, you'll see I'm talking specifically about our usuage of the word Yid. Not the entire history of anti-Semitism, which has very little to do with you or me, or anyone else apart from the people who have been subjected to it throughout history: i.e actual Jewish people.

 

[riggi]

 

[Spurger King]

The word Yid wasn't invented to mock Spurs fans it is a derogatory word for Jewish people. If there was a football team who for whatever reason called themselves the N**** Army, that wouldn't completely replace the entire history of the N-Word down to just "banter at a football match".

You said there's no difference after mentioning how both words had been "reclaimed". I've personally never heard the word 'yid' in a 'reclaimed' context outside of a football environment, and I've never heard the n-word used in a 'reclaimed' context by someone who wasn't black.

What you're really saying is that both words have historical origins as racial slurs, which I doubt anyone would disagree with. The way the words have been reclaimed, in the context that this entire conversation is based upon, aren't remotely comparable.

 

['O Zio]

You said there's no difference after mentioning how both words had been "reclaimed". I've personally never heard the word 'yid' in a 'reclaimed' context outside of a football environment, and I've never heard the n-word used in a 'reclaimed' context by someone who wasn't black.

What you're really saying is that both words have historical origins as racial slurs, which I doubt anyone would disagree with. The way the words have been reclaimed, in the context that this entire conversation is based upon, aren't remotely comparable.

I never said everyone i.e. all Jewish people have "reclaimed" the word Yid, far from it. Just like there are plenty of black people who despise the n-word being used even by other black people.

 

[SpursDave88]

If you read my post very carefully, SpursDave88, you'll see I'm talking specifically about our usuage of the word Yid. Not the entire history of anti-Semitism, which has very little to do with you or me, or anyone else apart from the people who have been subjected to it throughout history: i.e actual Jewish people.

Actual Jewish people like me you mean?

 

[King of Otters]

Actual Jewish people like me you mean?

The fact that you think that has any bearing whatsoever on this conversation does not surprise me.

 

[Spurger King]

I never said everyone i.e. all Jewish people have "reclaimed" the word Yid, far from it. Just like there are plenty of black people who despise the n-word being used even by other black people.

Not a "perfect 1:1 comparison" then.

 

[Gbspurs]

Its an interesting debate I think. When we all shout "Yiddo" at a player I imagine anti semitism is the furthest thing from people's mind.

That said if I thought I was offending people I wouldn't chant it. Personally I think this debate is only going to end with the word banned and its use shamed out of the club but I think that would be a shame.

 

['O Zio]

Not a "perfect 1:1 comparison" then.

How so?

 

[Ionman34]

Not in my house it isn't. I don't want my shirts fucked up!

In my house it is, cos I don't want my shirts fucked up!

 

[Spurger King]

How so?

Because the conversation hasn't been about etymology, it's about the people using those words. The n-word is pretty much exclusively used by black people (not all black people, as you correctly highlight), whereas the point of discussion is the use of the word 'yid' by thousands of mostly non-Jewish people under the guise of 'reclaiming' the word.

Not comparable. Similarities in the sentiment, but very different in execution (or more specifically, in who is using those words).

The use of it by Spurs fans is a murky subject because there aren't many precedents to compare it to.

 

[mstill13]

If the two words are a 1:1 comparison then how come people can't even bring themselves to type one of them?

 

[riggi]

If the two words are a 1:1 comparison then how come people can't even bring themselves to type one of them?

Ye just type it for gods sake. Reminds me of the Louis ck sketch.

 

[Bensonrecon]

I liked it when we used to laugh at Chelsea

No matter the context, the argument or whatever we all know that if anything was going to happen it will be us as a club that get hit while the scum at Chelsea and West Ham for the most part carry on unpunished. Whether we as fans use the word or not won't change a damn thing everything else is just semantics...


or anti-semantics. Here all week

 

[michaelden]

I genuinely though Yid was short for Yiddish - which means: -

noun

1. 1.
   a language used by Jews in central and eastern Europe before the Holocaust. It was originally a German dialect with words from Hebrew and several modern languages, and still has some 200,000 speakers, mainly in the US, Israel, and Russia.

So while I know it is now used in a derogatory sense it never started as one unlike nigger, which I believe was always derogatory and had no other use.

 

['O Zio]

I genuinely though Yid was short for Yiddish - which means: -

noun

1. 1.
   a language used by Jews in central and eastern Europe before the Holocaust. It was originally a German dialect with words from Hebrew and several modern languages, and still has some 200,000 speakers, mainly in the US, Israel, and Russia.

So while I know it is now used in a derogatory sense it never started as one unlike nigger, which I believe was always derogatory and had no other use.

Except that you're completely wrong because the n-word is derived from the french, spanish and portuguese words for "black" so originally it wasn't necessarily derogatory either. Like I've said in my other posts, Yid and the "N-Word" are linguistically and socially equivalent to each other just that one refers to black people and the other refers to jews. I don't understand why people don't get that.

 

[Insomnia]

I miss laughing at Chelsea

 

[Gb160]

Except that you're completely wrong because the n-word is derived from the french, spanish and portuguese words for "black" so originally it wasn't necessarily derogatory either. Like I've said in my other posts, Yid and the "N-Word" are linguistically and socially equivalent to each other just that one refers to black people and the other refers to jews. I don't understand why people don't get that.

Just out of interest why are you comfortable typing the word 'yid' yet not the word 'nigger'?
Doesn't this illustrate that they're not "socially equivalent to each other" ?