Let's All Laugh At... Let's all laugh at Chelsea thread

[Danners9]

I can't see this going well, but given they just lost Hazard and will probably have a transfer ban to contend with this might be a decent plan to finish mid-table-6th and rebound the following year. Lampard gets experience without much damage to his coaching reputation and they avoid fan backlash if next season is not so good.

 

[Krule]

I can't see this going well, but given they just lost Hazard and will probably have a transfer ban to contend with this might be a decent plan to finish mid-table-6th and rebound the following year. Lampard gets experience without much damage to his coaching reputation and they avoid fan backlash if next season is not so good.

With OGS at Utd and Frank at Chelsea it takes them out of the equation for top four I reckon (and sincerely hope).
Frank's reputation as a manager will either take a bruising or hit the heights with next season.
Personally I think both appointments were crowd pleasers and there will be 'developments' regarding both of them after next season or even before if results collapse.

 

['O Zio]

With OGS at Utd and Frank at Chelsea it takes them out of the equation for top four I reckon (and sincerely hope).
Frank's reputation as a manager will either take a bruising or hit the heights with next season.
Personally I think both appointments were crowd pleasers and there will be 'developments' regarding both of them after next season or even before if results collapse.

I think the Lampard appointment makes sense from Chelsea's perspective given the circumstances, not sure about whether it's the right decision for him personally though.

However, the OGS appointment made sense to tide Utd over until the end of the season too - their problem was they then stupidly gave him the job permanently. Chelsea need to be more ruthless than Utd were and stick to the plan rather than get swept up in all the hype i.e. bring Lampard in for this year and then go out to get a proper manager in the summer even if Lampard does an OK job. All IMO of course.

 

[wirE]

It's a bit weird saying this, but I was hoping Lampard would hold on to the position at Derby. If shit hits the fan, it's better to get the axe from Derby than Chelsea, the club where he became a legend.....

 

[Krule]

It's a bit weird saying this, but I was hoping Lampard would hold on to the position at Derby. And if shit hits the fan, it's better to get the axe from Derby than Chelsea, the club where he became a legend.....

Totally agree...the appointment to such a club is far too soon....this coming season...to quote my grandad...will be 'shit or bust' for Frank and could set his managerial career back for quite some time

 

['O Zio]

Totally agree...the appointment to such a club is far too soon....this coming season...to quote my grandad...will be 'shit or bust' for Frank and could set his managerial career back for quite some time

Agree. I said in another thread (or earlier in this thread, I can't remember now) but I don't think Lampard has enough credit in the bank yet from his time at Derby to just "bounce back" if shit hits the fan at Chelsea. He'd effectively have to start his career from scratch and I'm not sure a club as good as Derby will be willing to take a chance on him next time round. It'd be one thing if he'd got 2 or 3 successful years under his belt before he left, but he's basically had one very average season at best so that's probably not enough to make up for him having a complete mare at Chelsea.

Obviously the other side of the coin is he does very well at Chelsea and then even if he's sacked he could get another PL job, but that's more unlikely than likely IMO

 

[nailsy]

Totally agree...the appointment to such a club is far too soon....this coming season...to quote my grandad...will be 'shit or bust' for Frank and could set his managerial career back for quite some time

I don't think it will hurt him much if he does fail. At the very least I'd expect a Championship side to offer him a job if he's sacked so he wouldn't be any worse off than he is now.

Agree. I said in another thread (or earlier in this thread, I can't remember now) but I don't think Lampard has enough credit in the bank yet from his time at Derby to just "bounce back" if shit hits the fan at Chelsea. He'd effectively have to start his career from scratch and I'm not sure a club as good as Derby will be willing to take a chance on him next time round. It'd be one thing if he'd got 2 or 3 successful years under his belt before he left, but he's basically had one very average season at best so that's probably not enough to make up for him having a complete mare at Chelsea.

Obviously the other side of the coin is he does very well at Chelsea and then even if he's sacked he could get another PL job, but that's more unlikely than likely IMO

Getting your team to the play off final would be seen as pretty successful for most Championship clubs. It's also not just about his managerial skills. With his Chelsea connections any team that he manages will probably get the pick of young players that they send out on loan.

 

[wirE]

When was the last time the appointment of a club legend as manager a success?

 

[DanielCHillier]

When was the last time the appointment of a club legend as manager a success?

Zidane?

 

['O Zio]

I don't think it will hurt him much if he does fail. At the very least I'd expect a Championship side to offer him a job if he's sacked so he wouldn't be any worse off than he is now.



Getting your team to the play off final would be seen as pretty successful for most Championship clubs. It's also not just about his managerial skills. With his Chelsea connections any team that he manages will probably get the pick of young players that they send out on loan.

I'm sure he'd get another Championship job, but I reckon Derby are a good solid club with a pretty good infrastructure already, so they're a good one to get. He may well get a Championship job, but I don't know if he'll get one as good as Derby.

As for getting to the playoffs, I wasn't slagging him off when I said he did average. Derby were predicted by most to finish in the playoff spots so finishing there on the last day of the season can't really be considered some kind of remarkable achievement - it was a par finish. Neither brilliant nor bad, just did what he was supposed to do. That's not a criticism necessarily, I just don't think it's necessarily enough to give him that much credit in the bank.

Your point about the young Chelsea players is an interesting one because, while true, it's also something that feeds back into what I'm saying. They were expected to finish in the playoff spots anyway, and even with his Chelsea connections and being able to bring in a few ringers, they still only managed to just about achieve a par finish. If someone wanted to be harsh, you could argue that they would've underachieved with him as the manager but the players he got in from Chelsea were enough to paper over the cracks and still get that playoff spot. Like I say, that's probably being overly harsh, but it does make you wonder if he's really all that as a manager and I'm sure Chairmen at other clubs have had similar thoughts. If he's a disaster at Chelsea, I don't think one season with a par finish despite having several over-qualified players brought in through your PL connections is necessarily enough to make up for that.

 

['O Zio]

When was the last time the appointment of a club legend as manager a success?

Guardiola did alright but I don't think he's exactly a typical example.

Zidane is a bit of a marmite one. It's hard to say he didn't do well because of the CL record, but overall his Madrid side weren't actually that brilliant, at least not in terms of being team/tactics anyway.

 

[mark87]

When was the last time the appointment of a club legend as manager a success?

Solskjaer

 

[nailsy]

When was the last time the appointment of a club legend as manager a success?

Pep.
Zidane.

 

[Japhet]

Agree. I said in another thread (or earlier in this thread, I can't remember now) but I don't think Lampard has enough credit in the bank yet from his time at Derby to just "bounce back" if shit hits the fan at Chelsea. He'd effectively have to start his career from scratch and I'm not sure a club as good as Derby will be willing to take a chance on him next time round. It'd be one thing if he'd got 2 or 3 successful years under his belt before he left, but he's basically had one very average season at best so that's probably not enough to make up for him having a complete mare at Chelsea.

Obviously the other side of the coin is he does very well at Chelsea and then even if he's sacked he could get another PL job, but that's more unlikely than likely IMO

Going back to square one is hardly a big step back though when you're as wet behind the ears as Lampard is.

 

[Gassin's finest]

When was the last time the appointment of a club legend as manager a success?

Nicholson.

 

['O Zio]

Going back to square one is hardly a big step back though when you're as wet behind the ears as Lampard is.

Also true I suppose.

 

[sebo_sek]

I think the Lampard appointment makes sense from Chelsea's perspective given the circumstances, not sure about whether it's the right decision for him personally though.

However, the OGS appointment made sense to tide Utd over until the end of the season too - their problem was they then stupidly gave him the job permanently. Chelsea need to be more ruthless than Utd were and stick to the plan rather than get swept up in all the hype i.e. bring Lampard in for this year and then go out to get a proper manager in the summer even if Lampard does an OK job. All IMO of course.

Like Juve did with deschamps...

 

[Tucker]

When was the last time the appointment of a club legend as manager a success?

Pfft obviously you’ve forgotten this guy.

 

[Gassin's finest]

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Pfft obviously you’ve forgotten this guy.

Dear fucking god, what an arsehole he was. I shudder at the memory.

 

[Yid_Summers]

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Pfft obviously you’ve forgotten this guy.

Club legend? ?????