Let's All Laugh At... Let's all laugh at Liverpool thread

[Japhet]

Listening to the audio synced with the game, there's no way they could've sensibly stopped the game and gone back under the current rules - a whole new passage of play had begun and ended by the time they realised what had happened.

Still, funny shit that it didn't happen to us, really - I'd say I think we've had our fair share of bad decisions, but I also expect most fans feel like that.

Outcome won't involve any extra points or goals or replays, because that's all very mad, it'll just be a review of the process and someone gets suspended for a while.

'Under the current rules' is the most important part of your post. This whole drama has come about precisely because the current rules are obviously wrong and need investigating and amending urgently. When an important decision is so obviously wrong there has to be some process to overrule it and then carry on with the game.

 

[brasil_spur]

The more I think about this the more I really don't get the hyperbole.

There will always be the possibility of human error and there will always be the potential for technology to go wrong.

In addition to this the travesty would be if VAR over-rules an on pitch decision based on the wrong information. What actually happened was the same as if there was no VAR - so VAR haven't made anything worse here, they have simply failed to make it better.

I really think there needs to be some strong wording about this from the FA. Things will go wrong with VAR, the same way they do with on pitch refereeing. What should happen is that there are less mistakes with VAR than there are on pitch, but it needs to be clearly stated that there will be mistakes, and if clubs aren't happy with this then they need to vote against the use of VAR. They also need to clearly state that there are two severity levels of a mistake - one where it over-rides a correct on pitch decision with an incorrect VAR decision (i.e. the Ref / AR gets it right originally and then VAR fucks it up and another level where VAR fails to over-ride an incorrect on pitch call (like what's just happened here).

Severity 1 - VAR has made the situation worse versus there being no VAR. If there was no VAR the decision would have been different.
Severity 2 - VAR has failed to make the situation better versus no VAR. If there was no VAR the decision would have been the same.

Severity 2 mistakes should never be up for debate and any attempt to call the integrity of the game into question over these should be met with the same punishment as calling the integrity into question in any other scenario.

Severity 1 mistakes should be more lenient, to a point, with regards to calling integrity into question as in these scenarios VAR has had a fundamentally detrimental impact on the on field decision.

And finally, it seems that Liverpool actually voted against the introduction of semi-automated offside technology - the exact thing that would help to improve these types of decisions.

 

[brasil_spur]

'Under the current rules' is the most important part of your post. This whole drama has come about precisely because the current rules are obviously wrong and need investigating and amending urgently. When an important decision is so obviously wrong there has to be some process to overrule it and then carry on with the game.

The trouble is you're then adding subjectivity into the equation, how do you define "obviously wrong". What happens if a goal is scored during this time or more likely what happens if someone is carded during this time - is the card rescinded?

I think it's a very slippery slope here.

The system will never be perfect. Shit will go wrong sometimes. At the end of the day VAR is to help rectify on field mistakes, so the mistake first starts on field. If we got rid of VAR the goal would still have been disallowed.

The one thing that should be fixed here is that the ref can only allow the game to proceed once he's had a clear verbal decision from VAR that is repeated by them, something along the lines of:

Ref: What's your decision?
VAR: The player is onside, I repeat, the player is onside.
Ref: Can I confirm you have said the player is onside?
VAR: Yes the player is onside, I repeat, the player is onside.

Similarly for penalty it would be:

Ref: What's your decision?
VAR: The player was fouled, I repeat, the player was fouled.
Ref: Can I confirm you have said the player was fouled?
VAR: Yes the player was fouled, I repeat, the player was fouled.

 

[Yid-ol]

The trouble is you're then adding subjectivity into the equation, how do you define "obviously wrong". What happens if a goal is scored during this time or more likely what happens if someone is carded during this time - is the card rescinded?

I think it's a very slippery slope here.

The system will never be perfect. Shit will go wrong sometimes. At the end of the day VAR is to help rectify on field mistakes, so the mistake first starts on field. If we got rid of VAR the goal would still have been disallowed.

The one thing that should be fixed here is that the ref can only allow the game to proceed once he's had a clear verbal decision from VAR that is repeated by them, something along the lines of:

Ref: What's your decision?
VAR: The player is onside, I repeat, the player is onside.
Ref: Can I confirm you have said the player is onside?
VAR: Yes the player is onside, I repeat, the player is onside.

Similarly for penalty it would be:

Ref: What's your decision?
VAR: The player was fouled, I repeat, the player was fouled.
Ref: Can I confirm you have said the player was fouled?
VAR: Yes the player was fouled, I repeat, the player was fouled.

Think you need to add on the outcome also.

Player is onside, award the goal

Or

Player is fouled, award the penalty

Said this already, it needs to be much like they would do in rugby

 

[Moonie]

I’m pretty confused as to why the premier league haven’t come out to squash the possible replay …release a statement saying
“There was a human error which caused an onside goal to be incorrectly not given. We are looking at ways to improve VAR to minimise future errors. The result will remain and there will NOT be a replay”
All this talk in the media, journos, pundits etc. It isn’t helpful, it’s just fanning the flames.

And as for Neville saying it wasn’t a red “we were taught to do that” it isn’t f’ing 1995 anymore, football has changed! The challenge was out of control, there may be no intent, but he has endangered a fellow professional.

 

[Japhet]

The trouble is you're then adding subjectivity into the equation, how do you define "obviously wrong". What happens if a goal is scored during this time or more likely what happens if someone is carded during this time - is the card rescinded?

I think it's a very slippery slope here.

The system will never be perfect. Shit will go wrong sometimes. At the end of the day VAR is to help rectify on field mistakes, so the mistake first starts on field. If we got rid of VAR the goal would still have been disallowed.

The one thing that should be fixed here is that the ref can only allow the game to proceed once he's had a clear verbal decision from VAR that is repeated by them, something along the lines of:

Ref: What's your decision?
VAR: The player is onside, I repeat, the player is onside.
Ref: Can I confirm you have said the player is onside?
VAR: Yes the player is onside, I repeat, the player is onside.

Similarly for penalty it would be:

Ref: What's your decision?
VAR: The player was fouled, I repeat, the player was fouled.
Ref: Can I confirm you have said the player was fouled?
VAR: Yes the player was fouled, I repeat, the player was fouled.

I know it's difficult but Rugby seems to manage pretty well. They let the game run if they can but then bring it back if they see something dodgy. I think any cards for foul play stand but apart from that the game goes back to the incident in question. It really shouldn't take long to reach a correct decision (as they did in the Liverpool game. It was the communication of the decision that was all wrong).

 

[easley91]

It wasn't the tech that failed, it was the miscommunication between several people all trying to speak at once. Needs to be streamlined down to one person relaying the decision/information to the ref as well as the vocabulary/terminology used.

Guys running the VAR knew it was onside, it just wasn't communicated well enough and by the time they realised the goal was wrongly disallowed the game had already restarted meaning they can't run it back (something else which I think needs to be looked at).

So basically the process and communication needs working on, the tech worked as it should.

 

[Frozen_Waffles]

People should be talking about how Liverpool have been absoloute filth this season, here is the fair play table thus far...

 

[AmericanSpur]

I would fucking love it if Brighton score a goal that is flagged offside, it goes to VAR and then it takes them 5-10 minutes to decide that it is actually a goal

And then there is 10 minutes of added time in which Brighton score a game winner.

 

[easley91]

It's the Mirror so apply salt and all that.. but if it was to be replayed Liverpool should start with 10 men.

Tottenham vs Liverpool replay unlikely as Premier League rules do not apply

Jurgen Klopp is demanding the game take place again but the only provision for replays according to Premier League handbook is when rules are breached by clubs rather than match officials

www.mirror.co.uk

 

[RuskyM]

Truthfully nothing will change until people remember why VAR was implemented in the first place: managers without fail would blame refs to save their own skins. The issue has always been a lack of respect, and unless that changes ie referees get mic’d or more power to assert any changes would just be rearranging deckchairs on the titanic.

I mostly just find it baffling how people still have the energy for the VAR debate. Nothing new has been said for years.

 

[g_harry]

People should be talking about how Liverpool have been absoloute filth this season, here is the fair play table thus far...

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Great point. It's something I had highlighted before they have players like Robertson who are actually dirty players, they are very crafty at it (Porro elbow, Tanganga tackle) I also think it ironic because they get away with alot of fouling.

 

[luRRka]

It's the Mirror so apply salt and all that.. but if it was to be replayed Liverpool should start with 10 men.

Tottenham vs Liverpool replay unlikely as Premier League rules do not apply

Jurgen Klopp is demanding the game take place again but the only provision for replays according to Premier League handbook is when rules are breached by clubs rather than match officials

www.mirror.co.uk

"If match officials breached the laws of the game" they didn't. Its a non story. In fact if they decided to go back after the restart, then they would have breached the laws of the game

 

[SpringHeeledJim]

just need the weekend fixtures to come around and this should then become old news as there will be something else to talk about.

0% chance of the game being replayed. The league would be thrown into complete disarray so we shouldn't worry about any clickbait headlines designed simply to feed over excited Liverpool fans

 

[DJS]

Curtis Jones: Liverpool unsuccessful with bid to overturn midfielder's red card at Tottenham Hotspur

Curtis Jones was initially shown a yellow card for a tackle on Yves Bissouma; the VAR then intervened to upgrade it to a red card; Reds went on to lose the game 2-1 after also having Digo Jota sent off in the second half

www.skysports.com

Mwa ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa…

 

[Dillspur]

Curious, have they said anything of the abuse Destiny received yet?

 

[dirtyh]

People should be talking about how Liverpool have been absoloute filth this season, here is the fair play table thus far...

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just to save people looking up the details.....

first column - yellow cards (1pt)
second column - yellow-red (3pts)
third column - red (5pts)
fourth column is just 2 and 3 added together

essentially the scousers have had a lot less yellows than others but clearly a lot more straight reds, hence they're the current dirtiest.

statistically the first and second columns are quite interesting too, shows regardless of how many yellows a team has, how many of those teams then progress into getting a second yellow or learn to be cautious. shows recklessness imo.

 

[Wig]

Imagine we win the league by a point, with them in 2nd..

"Replay the league!"

 

[Wig]

Curious, have they said anything of the abuse Destiny received yet?

They did put out a generic statement

 

[Gb160]

It's the Mirror so apply salt and all that.. but if it was to be replayed Liverpool should start with 10 men.

Tottenham vs Liverpool replay unlikely as Premier League rules do not apply

Jurgen Klopp is demanding the game take place again but the only provision for replays according to Premier League handbook is when rules are breached by clubs rather than match officials

www.mirror.co.uk

Liverpool don't want and aren't asking for a replay, their mouth breathing fans want one so that's why these shitty rags are proposing the possibility.

Clicky clicky cash cash.