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Blackcanary

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Shadydan said:
Difficult to assess, judge might think that because it's a high profile case and thus a high profile person they might want to make an example out of them.

Anyway I'm a bit surprised that City haven't come out and suspended him from playing, Everton has suspended Gylfi for example.
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They have - they suspended him yesterday.
 
Spurrific

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sausage said:
People aren't born rapists - the reality is that the death penalty is no longer a thing, so if you believe and want to think that people can change, then 'help' is what encapsulates that reformation.

Prescribing 'help' is not some form of condonation. We're not in the 14th century any more.



(some elaboration: if someone does a thing once, it can be regrettable, it can be a misunderstanding, it can be 'excused', potentially, in various ways. If someone does something serially, they clearly need help - e.g. it's something that is a 'problem' with them)
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Typically when one reads about instances of rape - the person you'd immediately think of needing help is the victim, not the perpetrator.
 
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punky

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Saoirse said:
Looking at the sentencing guidelines, if someone were to be convicted of what's accused and reported so far, it looks like it'd be in the 2A category, probably at the top end given multiple offence. Maybe a ~14 year sentence, and hence 7 years actually behind bars.

Rape – Sentencing (sentencingcouncil.org.uk)
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That would be terrible, less than 2 years per rape.

Concurrent sentences should be abolished.
 
Saoirse

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sausage said:
People aren't born rapists - the reality is that the death penalty is no longer a thing, so if you believe and want to think that people can change, then 'help' is what encapsulates that reformation.

Prescribing 'help' is not some form of condonation. We're not in the 14th century any more.
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I do believe most people can change. However I think, if someone were to be found guilty of imprisoning, assaulting and raping multiple victims, including while on bail and in the spotlight, that they are rather different to most people and perhaps are beyond changing. In any case, I don't think it'd ever be fair to put someone who'd done such things in a position where they could reoffend and thereby put even more women in danger - someone with a mind that lets them do such things in such circumstances for me will always be a risk no matter what. I don't believe in the death penalty, but I do think the punishment in those cases should be a whole-life sentence. It doesn't need to be under unduly harsh conditions - I'm all for Norwegian style, more 'open' prison systems - but I think the rights of women to be kept safe from these people overrules their right to prove they've somehow changed from having a mind so broken.
 
sausage

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Spurrific said:
Typically when one reads about instances of rape - the person you'd immediately think of needing help is the victim, not the perpetrator.
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Only if you think "help" is exclusively act of empathy or generosity.

Would it have eased the bed-wetting if I said "treatment"? I didn't expect this to turn into a witch-hunt of wordsmithing.

The reality is that 'rape' is a sliding scale of scenarios that can go from a misunderstanding (e.g. I imagine some of the BDSM stuff treads a line, and if someone 'forgot' a safe word) all the way up to violent attacks. I imagine someone could do such a thing under the influence of a drug (spiked or otherwise) but it wouldn't mean they were necessarily 'of that character', individualised from the offence.

Much like murder - you wouldn't necessarily cast aspersions on a character if they'd been involved in a single incident, as there could be various permutations of how that would occur - but you wouldn't need any details to know something was clearly psychological if someone was charged with 4 of them, over an extended period, most while actually on bail.
 
DEFchenkOE

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Tucker said:
Crime Reporter from Manchester Evening News:

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Wait..What.. So he is already under suspicion for the offences in October last year and January this year, and then just for good measure he commits another offence this week???? Unbelievable.
 
Tucker

Tucker

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sausage said:
I suspect criminal lawyers are as close to psychopaths are you can get, tbh. They're only interested in winning their case.
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On one level that’s a good thing, for the system to work fairly, everyone needs to have someone fighting their corner, even people who are guilty.
 
Tucker

Tucker

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Cornpattbuck said:
"Manchester City have decided not to pursue the signing of Cristiano Ronaldo from Juventus."

From BBC.
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My guess is it’s a combination of United getting involved, and the fact it would be a bit of a pr minefield with Ronaldo’s legal issues in the US.
 
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