VegasII
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That's pretty funny? Mourinho's turning into a coked up old game show host...and a deteriorating one at that.
Let's All Laugh At... Let's all wonder what's going on at United?
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That's pretty funny? Mourinho's turning into a coked up old game show host...and a deteriorating one at that.
slartibartfast
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I believe if they got the right man in there, with the squad they have now, he could turn them around instantly.
The same as Redknapp did for us.
They have some real quality in that squad but Maureenego the living planet has upset most of them. Thats why they arent playing imo.
Take the shackles off and put and arm around Sanchez, Rashford, Pogba, Mata and they'll be a force.
If he hasn't publicly personally slated them then he's trying to get them to play a style that doesnt suit them.
I mean just where is the logic in breaking the transfer record for a player, a player who was setting the world alight, and then try to get him playing a different way? Fkin stupid. Then tell him he's shit as well lol. That'll get the best out of him!
Lukaku is not a Man U player imo. He isn't good enough. He fits the mold of Maureens style, a strong big lump to boot the ball up the pitch to but unfortunately he is not a Costa, Ibrahimovic or Drogba. He's not that good. I was delighted when they bought him.
I really hope JM stays until the end of the season but as I said during the Summer I think he'll be gone by xmas.
Glad they pulled back a draw yesterday or that may have been it.
I disagree with Man U fans saying this isnt entertaining though. I think its fkin fantastic
The same as Redknapp did for us.
They have some real quality in that squad but Maureenego the living planet has upset most of them. Thats why they arent playing imo.
Take the shackles off and put and arm around Sanchez, Rashford, Pogba, Mata and they'll be a force.
If he hasn't publicly personally slated them then he's trying to get them to play a style that doesnt suit them.
I mean just where is the logic in breaking the transfer record for a player, a player who was setting the world alight, and then try to get him playing a different way? Fkin stupid. Then tell him he's shit as well lol. That'll get the best out of him!
Lukaku is not a Man U player imo. He isn't good enough. He fits the mold of Maureens style, a strong big lump to boot the ball up the pitch to but unfortunately he is not a Costa, Ibrahimovic or Drogba. He's not that good. I was delighted when they bought him.
I really hope JM stays until the end of the season but as I said during the Summer I think he'll be gone by xmas.
Glad they pulled back a draw yesterday or that may have been it.
I disagree with Man U fans saying this isnt entertaining though. I think its fkin fantastic
DogsOfWar
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Just to play devil's advocate we made something like £117 million profit two years ago on a £305 million turnover.
Last years turnover was £380 million so I would suspect a similar potential profit.
Whilst I agree we wouldn't pay that, it doesn't mean we couldn't.
DogsOfWar
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I'm surprised more hasn't been made of this.
He's pointing out that they are no longer a bigger club than us (except historically) and no-one seems to bat an eyelid.
He might be self-destructing but he still says it as it is and he's 100% correct.
I don't think it has really sunk in with many of our fans yet and I don't think it really will for another couple of years until they really see the earning potential for this club.
'O Zio
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The thing is, I'm not from London but I'm Spurs because of my dad and granddad, who both grew up in North London. But I couldn't imagine just supporting a random team that I have no connection with purely on the basis that they're successful. I'm not having a pop at you, I just can't really imagine doing that myself. For me it would be hard to feel any real connection to the club that way. As you say though, plenty of people do it that way.
'O Zio
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I think our issue isn't with transfer fees, it's wages. Or rather, the combination of transfer fees and wages. Even if we could offer 100m for a player, that's just the beginning. Anyone commanding that kind of transfer fee will expect to be on top wages i.e. 250-300k/week. 300k/w on a 4 year contract is 62.4m just in base salary, so by the time you factor in all the bonuses, agent fees, signing fees etc. a 100m player actually costs double that when all's said and done.
Then you factor in that the rest of our top players would immediately get the hump and this situation and we'd have to give at least Eriksen, Kane and Alli similar wages, and probably the likes of Toby and Jan not far off, so the actual cost to us would be hundreds of millions more per year.
Paying 100m fee for 1 player isn't a problem, as you say we can do that if we want to. The problem is we can't pay that on top of also pay all the extra wage costs that would be an inevitable consequence of it. Transfers and transfer fees don't exist in their own little isolated bubble. Everything like that has a knock on effect and consequences.
spursfan77
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I support spurs for the same reason as you both my dad and grand parents are from Tottenham. I support us because of that. I also support, but nowhere near to the same degree, Wycombe wanderers because they are the closest team to where I lived as a kid and used to go watch them when they were non league and I also follow Portsmouth as I was at uni there and went to some games. But I wouldn’t say I support them at all.
I dont support a foreign club for the same reason. I’d find it weird supporting some average Spanish team for example just because I went on holiday there.
DJS
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"All the teams they got better, Spurs was the team that did not make a direct investment, but the best investment is to keep the top players that you have. So every team got better and we didn't."
https://www.skysports.com/football/...ot-improve-unlike-their-premier-league-rivals
The snippet I’ve posted above interested me, seems odd as Mourinho is saying everyone improved apart from Man U then when mentions us (as obviously we didn’t sign anyone) says that best investment is to keep top players.
But Man U kept all their best players and signed two - Fred isn’t really lighting things up at present and Dalot who was more for future but seems promising.
So if anything they technically did strengthen more than we did (and the argument about a centre back he may have is guff as well as he signed Lindeloff last summer).
He really does seem to be losing it more and more...
https://www.skysports.com/football/...ot-improve-unlike-their-premier-league-rivals
The snippet I’ve posted above interested me, seems odd as Mourinho is saying everyone improved apart from Man U then when mentions us (as obviously we didn’t sign anyone) says that best investment is to keep top players.
But Man U kept all their best players and signed two - Fred isn’t really lighting things up at present and Dalot who was more for future but seems promising.
So if anything they technically did strengthen more than we did (and the argument about a centre back he may have is guff as well as he signed Lindeloff last summer).
He really does seem to be losing it more and more...
ItsBoris
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I think the question is, did Jose do well to get 2nd place and ~80 points last season, or is that their level and he's causing poor performances this season?
To me, their squad lacks quality. No right winger, no top class striker, no really notable defenders, Matic is a donkey. The only players there to build a team around are Martial, De Gea, and Pogba (although he definitely has attitude problems). Sanchez should theoretically be much better though. Why is it that literally almost every player they've signed in the last 5 years has not lived up to their hype/potential? Bad scouting? Or just a team that is not set up to play in a style that allows them to flourish. How is it possible that all their signings are total garbage. Some of them have gone to other clubs and done well (Depay, for example).
I don't think Jose is necessarily holding those players back, I just think they aren't good enough. But they need a manager who can implement a vision for the club, so I think they should probably sack Jose and I think they will sooner than later.
To me, their squad lacks quality. No right winger, no top class striker, no really notable defenders, Matic is a donkey. The only players there to build a team around are Martial, De Gea, and Pogba (although he definitely has attitude problems). Sanchez should theoretically be much better though. Why is it that literally almost every player they've signed in the last 5 years has not lived up to their hype/potential? Bad scouting? Or just a team that is not set up to play in a style that allows them to flourish. How is it possible that all their signings are total garbage. Some of them have gone to other clubs and done well (Depay, for example).
I don't think Jose is necessarily holding those players back, I just think they aren't good enough. But they need a manager who can implement a vision for the club, so I think they should probably sack Jose and I think they will sooner than later.
ItsBoris
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They can't steal our players anymore but we're still not able to compete with them for players we both want to sign imo.
coy-spurs1882
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would mourinho be a better POTUS than trump?
Col_M
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would mourinho be a better POTUS than trump?
He could do.
He’d park the bus across the border rather than build a wall and I can see him openly criticising SHS and Melanie but he can’t tweet.
DogsOfWar
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True, but it's still the first stage where now only City from the Prem and the non-prem big 4 can bully us.
In a few years our turnover will be within 20% of these big guns and they won't be able to bully us financially either.
That only leaves the potential to win trophies as the major draw, and if the manager/squad/chairman can just find that extra few percent in the next couple of seasons we can compete on an almost level playing field.
We're really not that far away now (within 5 seasons).
dagraham
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Watched their game against Arsenal. They really were poor, so lacking in quality.
Can’t believe he left Mata on the bench in a performance that was crying out for a bit of quality in the final third. Says it all really.
I actually think they are worse now than under Moyes and I just cannot see Mourinho lasting the season. Will be interesting if they give him more money in January.
Can’t believe he left Mata on the bench in a performance that was crying out for a bit of quality in the final third. Says it all really.
I actually think they are worse now than under Moyes and I just cannot see Mourinho lasting the season. Will be interesting if they give him more money in January.
spursfan77
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Mourinho today has been complaining about injuries and having to rotate his team.
I then listened to an “expert” on the radio saying that he was making excuses and that he doesn’t know his best team.
It made me think. We said the same about Poch earlier this season when he kept on changing team selection and formation every game and we thought it was effecting performances. Well, what if the same thing is happening at Man Utd. They had lots of players in the latter stages at the World Cup so are in the same position as us in that regard.
Maybe the reason they are doing so badly is because they are in exactly the same position player wise as we are, it’s just that Poch is managing it better because he’s a better man manager, better in front of the camera and he has a team that have played together for longer and so they know the manager and each other better hence we have won more games.
I then listened to an “expert” on the radio saying that he was making excuses and that he doesn’t know his best team.
It made me think. We said the same about Poch earlier this season when he kept on changing team selection and formation every game and we thought it was effecting performances. Well, what if the same thing is happening at Man Utd. They had lots of players in the latter stages at the World Cup so are in the same position as us in that regard.
Maybe the reason they are doing so badly is because they are in exactly the same position player wise as we are, it’s just that Poch is managing it better because he’s a better man manager, better in front of the camera and he has a team that have played together for longer and so they know the manager and each other better hence we have won more games.
