Lloris interview to french Sport show Stade 2 (Sat 20.10.2012)

[ryantegan]

I just wanted the full story especially on the Moutinho saga.

Im not saying I dont think its got some truth to it either. But not to criticise any poster I just personally dont like people hinting and then leaving it. If anyone has good reason to believe Levy or the club are acting in this way (and its not just Ryan who has hinted this) then they should come out and shout from the rooftops what they know rather than hint about it here or there. Stuff like this should be exposed rather than allowed to get covered up.

Just my opinion though.

to be fair I pretty much laid it all out during the transfer window.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Deals are not entirely done by the manager though are they. I know its the drum that I have been banging for years but its the truth. Levy has a team identifying players. The manager identifies players. the manager says he prefers his targets so Levy pretends to try and sign them, after failing he then returns to the manager with his targets in hand once again. The process continues till the manager gives in

Sigurdsen and Dempsey

or

Willian and Moutinho

This is disingenuous bullshit. It is a half truth masquerading as inside knowledge.

We buy the best players available - that managers, DOF's and scouts recommend - within our transfer and wage budgets.

That should read:

Dempsey/Dembele

or

Willian/Moutinho

or

21m

or

50m


You see the difference there Ryan. Oner fits our budget and one doesn't quite - regardless of how much the manager wishes it did. I don't overly rate Sigurdsson but he was signed as young up and copying player to play where VDV did. Dembele was the player signed to bolster the attacking midfield or Midfield area.

What we need is a manager who's targets match the clubs financial capabilities. You know, not like Tevez (who was never fucking doable).

What Levy does is no different to what any intelligent chairman does, i.e., does not allow the manager to lead him by the bollocks into bankruptcy chasing a pipe dream. He may act as a semi quasi or de facto DOF in that he takes advice from others (like scouts etc) and doesn't just allow the manager to select the players for consideration, but most of Europe works like this. AVB has said he would like a DOF. We achieved two 5th places and a cup win working like this, just with Comolli doing it instead of Levy. So what's the big deal. As long as we are signing players like Lloris, Dembele, Adebayor, Vertonghen, Sandro, Bale, Berbatov, Modric, not to mention the Gallas's and Parkers then the system is hardly a compete failure is it.

 

[BorisTM]

It's good to see that a lot of you have finally come to their senses.

 

[ryantegan]

This is disingenuous bullshit. It is a half truth masquerading as inside knowledge.

We buy the best players available - that managers, DOF's and scouts recommend - within our transfer and wage budgets.

That should read:

Dempsey/Dembele

or

Willian/Moutinho

or

21m

or

50m


You see the difference there Ryan. Oner fits our budget and one doesn't quite - regardless of how much the manager wishes it did. I don't overly rate Sigurdsson but he was signed as young up and copying player to play where VDV did. Dembele was the player signed to bolster the attacking midfield or Midfield area.

What we need is a manager who's targets match the clubs financial capabilities. You know, not like Tevez (who was never fucking doable).

What Levy does is no different to what any intelligent chairman does, i.e., does not allow the manager to lead him by the bollocks into bankruptcy chasing a pipe dream. He may act as a semi quasi or de facto DOF in that he takes advice from others (like scouts etc) and doesn't just allow the manager to select the players for consideration, but most of Europe works like this. AVB has said he would like a DOF. We achieved two 5th places and a cup win working like this, just with Comolli doing it instead of Levy. So what's the big deal. As long as we are signing players like Lloris, Dembele, Adebayor, Vertonghen, Sandro, Bale, Berbatov, Modric, not to mention the Gallas's and Parkers then the system is hardly a compete failure is it.

With all due respect, you talk utter shit, all wrapped up in big words and heavy donations to the site.

At least I have some inside knowledge. Knowledge that i have happily passed onto this site for years. Its just a shame that some people cant accept the ugly stuff. I'm not saying that levy is a bad chairman. I'm not saying that what Levy does is so wrong. I'm also not saying that Levy is a problem. I am merely passing on what is common knowledge behind the scenes.

Levy has his people. These people ultimately buy the players.

Not the manager. Be it Jol, be it Redknapp or be it AVB. These managers did not sign the players that they set out to sign.

They tried, by fuck did they try. But in the end Levy and his merry men got the players in. Thats why you see us signing players we have been linked with for so long irrespective of the manager in place. Jan Vertonghen, and Gylfi are prime examples of this.

Its not a personal vendetta you cyber bulling shit, its just passing on the info that is undeniably true!

Get over it!

 

[Spurs_Bear]

This is disingenuous bullshit. It is a half truth masquerading as inside knowledge.

We buy the best players available - that managers, DOF's and scouts recommend - within our transfer and wage budgets.

That should read:

Dempsey/Dembele

or

Willian/Moutinho

or

21m

or

50m


You see the difference there Ryan. Oner fits our budget and one doesn't quite - regardless of how much the manager wishes it did. I don't overly rate Sigurdsson but he was signed as young up and copying player to play where VDV did. Dembele was the player signed to bolster the attacking midfield or Midfield area.

What we need is a manager who's targets match the clubs financial capabilities. You know, not like Tevez (who was never fucking doable).

What Levy does is no different to what any intelligent chairman does, i.e., does not allow the manager to lead him by the bollocks into bankruptcy chasing a pipe dream. He may act as a semi quasi or de facto DOF in that he takes advice from others (like scouts etc) and doesn't just allow the manager to select the players for consideration, but most of Europe works like this. AVB has said he would like a DOF. We achieved two 5th places and a cup win working like this, just with Comolli doing it instead of Levy. So what's the big deal. As long as we are signing players like Lloris, Dembele, Adebayor, Vertonghen, Sandro, Bale, Berbatov, Modric, not to mention the Gallas's and Parkers then the system is hardly a compete failure is it.

You could have started that with 'Once upon a time' though to be fair.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

I do believe Levy has the last say on what players join the club. It was quite obvious in the summer that AVB wanted Willian and Moutinho but instead we ended up with Dempsey and Dembele.

What I find rediculously hard to believe is that Levy created an extravagant fascade to make it appear as if we nearly signed Moutinho on deadline day. When in fact he had no intention in buying him anyway. It makes no sense especially when most of us were resigned to the fact he wasn't coming anyway.

 

[ryantegan]

I do believe Levy has the last say on what players join the club. It was quite obvious in the summer that AVB wanted Willian and Moutinho but instead we ended up with Dempsey and Dembele.

What I find rediculously hard to believe is that Levy created an extravagant fascade to make it appear as if we nearly signed Moutinho on deadline day. When in fact he had no intention in buying him anyway. It makes no sense especially when most of us were resigned to the fact he wasn't coming anyway.

Same as when he went around Spain with a Barrel of cash throwing in bids for these big stars only to misunderstand the VAT regulations?

 

[Bus-Conductor]

With all due respect, you talk utter shit, all wrapped up in big words and heavy donations to the site.

At least I have some inside knowledge. Knowledge that i have happily passed onto this site for years. Its just a shame that some people cant except the ugly stuff. I'm not saying that levy is a bad chairman. I'm not saying that what Levy does is so wrong. I'm also not saying that Levy is a problem. I am merely passing on what is common knowledge behind the scenes.

Levy has his people. These people ultimately buy the players.

Not the manager. Be it Jol, be it Redknapp or be it AVB. These managers did not sign the players that they set out to sign.

They tried, by fuck did they try. But in the end Levy and his merry men got the players in. Thats why you see us signing players we have been linked with for so long irrespective of the manager in place. Jan Vertonghen, and Gylfi are prime examples of this.

Its not a personal vendetta you cyber bulling shit, its just passing on the info that is undeniably true!

Get over it!

What is true though Ryan ? Your version is that Levy is proactively working to undermine his managers. He is effectively completely ignoring any request by nay manager and instead buying players that managers have stated they do not want.

It's fine for managers to "try" to sign Tevez (are you still claiming that was doable ?) but it's not actually their money is it Ryan. So if the chairman says no, and the manager doesn't come up with a viable alternative, that's how you end up with Dempsey or Saha at the last minute. That is a chairman/DOF/Manager having to settle for a viable last minute stop gap to keep the squad with options.

Your version ignores the fact that Jol & Ramos worked under the DOF system. This system is designed to work the way it does for a reason. More emphasis is put on the coach coaching and continuity is maintained when coach's change. Football teams aren't at the whim of ever changing managers and their favourite players. And by anmd large it worked for us.

You also ignore the fact that Levy sanctioned about 75m of Redknapp's choices. Players like Crouch, Keane, Defoe, Palacios, Kaboul, Bassong, Parker and also did deals for players like Gallas, Nelson, Gudjonsen and Adebayor that Redknapp publicly stated he wanted. And that we had Redknapp himself telling us he could have signed players like Suarez, Cabaye & Ben Arfa but didn't want them.

I am not bullshitting. I am not arguing with your assessment that Levy acts as some kind of de facto DOF. I am arguing that that is exactly how it has to work. You cannot give a manager the chequebook. Look what happened to Portsmouth when they did that. I am arguing with your manipulation of the facts to suit your dislike of Levy and your pretence that you don't. I am arguing that the system - whatever it is - fundamentally is the best one for us right now.

This is what I mean by your disingenuous bullshit and half truths. There is some truth in what you say, but it is not the whole truth. Levy has bought players that managers want and genuinely tried and failed to do so. You continually portray this as a devious and deliberate attempt by Levy to undermine his managers.

You say you have no agenda toward Levy and think he's good for the club, but this is disingenuous. These are some of the things you said in the summer:

"Got to be honest. Levy is doing it again aint he? Fucking the manager over with his board room tic a taco"

"Levy is a tool mate. Proof is in the pudding."

"I call him Kim Jon levy in my house"

"Levy spends all summer walking the aisles o waitrose but bottles it at the till because he can see lidls from the window"

"Stratford. Do you think this man actually gives a fuck about us and our roots? No its business"


I never hid the fact that I did not like Redknapp. At least be honest and admit you don't like Levy.

 

[ryantegan]

What is true though Ryan ? Your version is that Levy is proactively working to undermine his managers. He is effectively completely ignoring any request by nay manager and instead buying players that managers have stated they do not want.

It's fine for managers to "try" to sign Tevez (are you still claiming that was doable ?) but it's not actually their money is it Ryan. So if the chairman says no, and the manager doesn't come up with a viable alternative, that's how you end up with Dempsey or Saha at the last minute. That is a chairman/DOF/Manager having to settle for a viable last minute stop gap to keep the squad with options.

Your version ignores the fact that Jol & Ramos worked under the DOF system. This system is designed to work the way it does for a reason. More emphasis is put on the coach coaching and continuity is maintained when coach's change. Football teams aren't at the whim of ever changing managers and their favourite players. And by anmd large it worked for us.

You also ignore the fact that Levy sanctioned about 75m of Redknapp's choices. Players like Crouch, Keane, Defoe, Palacios, Kaboul, Bassong, Parker and also did deals for players like Gallas, Nelson, Gudjonsen and Adebayor that Redknapp publicly stated he wanted. And that we had Redknapp himself telling us he could have signed players like Suarez, Cabaye & Ben Arfa but didn't want them.

I am not bullshitting. I am not arguing with your assessment that Levy acts as some kind of de facto DOF. I am arguing that that is exactly how it has to work. You cannot give a manager the chequebook. Look what happened to Portsmouth when they did that. I am arguing with your manipulation of the facts to suit your dislike of Levy and your pretence that you don't. I am arguing that the system - whatever it is - fundamentally is the best one for us right now.

This is what I mean by your disingenuous bullshit and half truths. There is some truth in what you say, but it is not the whole truth. Levy has bought players that managers want and genuinely tried and failed to do so. You continually portray this as a devious and deliberate attempt by Levy to undermine his managers.

You say you have no agenda toward Levy and think he's good for the club, but this is disingenuous. These are some of the things you said in the summer:

"Got to be honest. Levy is doing it again aint he? Fucking the manager over with his board room tic a taco"

"Levy is a tool mate. Proof is in the pudding."

"I call him Kim Jon levy in my house"

"Levy spends all summer walking the aisles o waitrose but bottles it at the till because he can see lidls from the window"

"Stratford. Do you think this man actually gives a fuck about us and our roots? No its business"


I never hid the fact that I did not like Redknapp. At least be honest and admit you don't like Levy.

I do like Levy, I just dont like the way he gets to what he wants. Do you think that Levy, the chairman no other clubs wants to deal with is any different in house?

Its his way or the highway. Which is fine by me, as long as he doesnt spend all transfer window pretending to do something he has no intentions of actually doing.

Redknapp was a tool also, and I know that AVB has acted like a complete tool also. In fact marting Jol was a complete prick. Doesnt mean that I have an agenda against any of them just they did things I didnt agree with

 

[Spurs_Bear]

What is true though Ryan ? Your version is that Levy is proactively working to undermine his managers. He is effectively completely ignoring any request by nay manager and instead buying players that managers have stated they do not want.

It's fine for managers to "try" to sign Tevez (are you still claiming that was doable ?) but it's not actually their money is it Ryan. So if the chairman says no, and the manager doesn't come up with a viable alternative, that's how you end up with Dempsey or Saha at the last minute. That is a chairman/DOF/Manager having to settle for a viable last minute stop gap to keep the squad with options.

Your version ignores the fact that Jol & Ramos worked under the DOF system. This system is designed to work the way it does for a reason. More emphasis is put on the coach coaching and continuity is maintained when coach's change. Football teams aren't at the whim of ever changing managers and their favourite players. And by anmd large it worked for us.

You also ignore the fact that Levy sanctioned about 75m of Redknapp's choices. Players like Crouch, Keane, Defoe, Palacios, Kaboul, Bassong, Parker and also did deals for players like Gallas, Nelson, Gudjonsen and Adebayor that Redknapp publicly stated he wanted. And that we had Redknapp himself telling us he could have signed players like Suarez, Cabaye & Ben Arfa but didn't want them.

I am not bullshitting. I am not arguing with your assessment that Levy acts as some kind of de facto DOF. I am arguing that that is exactly how it has to work. You cannot give a manager the chequebook. Look what happened to Portsmouth when they did that. I am arguing with your manipulation of the facts to suit your dislike of Levy and your pretence that you don't. I am arguing that the system - whatever it is - fundamentally is the best one for us right now.

This is what I mean by your disingenuous bullshit and half truths. There is some truth in what you say, but it is not the whole truth. Levy has bought players that managers want and genuinely tried and failed to do so. You continually portray this as a devious and deliberate attempt by Levy to undermine his managers.

You say you have no agenda toward Levy and think he's good for the club, but this is disingenuous. These are some of the things you said in the summer:

"Got to be honest. Levy is doing it again aint he? Fucking the manager over with his board room tic a taco"

"Levy is a tool mate. Proof is in the pudding."

"I call him Kim Jon levy in my house"

"Levy spends all summer walking the aisles o waitrose but bottles it at the till because he can see lidls from the window"

"Stratford. Do you think this man actually gives a fuck about us and our roots? No its business"


I never hid the fact that I did not like Redknapp. At least be honest and admit you don't like Levy.

LOL.

Everywhere.

But Ryan is the one fabricating the truth to suit his argument?

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I do like Levy, I just dont like the way he gets to what he wants. Do you think that Levy, the chairman no other clubs wants to deal with is any different in house?

Its his way or the highway. Which is fine by me, as long as he doesnt spend all transfer window pretending to do something he has no intentions of actually doing.

Redknapp was a tool also, and I know that AVB has acted like a complete tool also. In fact marting Jol was a complete prick. Doesnt mean that I have an agenda against any of them just they did things I didnt agree with

But Rayn, the facts prove that Levy doesn't just do what he wants. What you sometimes seem unable to accept he is responsible, not just for building a team, but running a business.

Managers will come and go, but he won't. So he has to live or die by the bottom line. It is not his fault if managers don't grasp this reality either is it.

I am not disagreeing with your assessment that he acts as a DOF, I'm disagreeing with your assessment of his motives and modus operandi.

And I do not believe you like him. You may grudgingly accept sometimes that he's good for the club, as I had to do at times with Redknapp, but I reckon you will always hate him, if nothing else, for removing your hot line to some a grade managerial level ITK.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

LOL.

Everywhere.

But Ryan is the one fabricating the truth to suit his argument?

So Redknapp didn't say he chose not to sign Suarez because he was too like VDV, or Ben Arfa because we had Lennon ?

 

[ryantegan]

So Redknapp didn't say he chose not to sign Suarez because he was too like VDV, or Ben Arfa because we had Lennon ?

His scout told him he could not play up top. David moyes also suggested the same to him

 

[Blake Griffin]

in fairness, he can't.

 

[ryantegan]

But Rayn, the facts prove that Levy doesn't just do what he wants. What you sometimes seem unable to accept he is responsible, not just for building a team, but running a business.

Managers will come and go, but he won't. So he has to live or die by the bottom line. It is not his fault if managers don't grasp this reality either is it.

I am not disagreeing with your assessment that he acts as a DOF, I'm disagreeing with your assessment of his motives and modus operandi.

And I do not believe you like him. You may grudgingly accept sometimes that he's good for the club, as I had to do at times with Redknapp, but I reckon you will always hate him, if nothing else, for removing your hot line to some a grade managerial level ITK.

I agree that he is ultimately judged by the decisions he makes. I just think that it is unfortunate that managers have also been judged by the decision HE makes also. Saha and Nelsen for instance, both Levy's peoples idea of replacing Bassong and pav. And yet Harry took the flack for that. All because Levy wanted the loan fee and permanent transfers of Pav. I dont disagree with the decision, in fact at the time I was quite pleased, I just think that it was wrong that this kind of decision was taken away from the manager.

And please dont judge me this way. Its very unfair. I dont Hate anyone mate, not in football anyway.

I just feel that you see my ITK status of the past as a threat to your own dogmatic opinions. Its hard for you to express them so freely when they can be discredited by someone who has actual contact with the people in question.

Like I said originally. Get over it

 

[Mr Pink]

But Rayn, the facts prove that Levy doesn't just do what he wants. What you sometimes seem unable to accept he is responsible, not just for building a team, but running a business.

Managers will come and go, but he won't. So he has to live or die by the bottom line. It is not his fault if managers don't grasp this reality either is it.

I am not disagreeing with your assessment that he acts as a DOF, I'm disagreeing with your assessment of his motives and modus operandi.

And I do not believe you like him. You may grudgingly accept sometimes that he's good for the club, as I had to do at times with Redknapp, but I reckon you will always hate him, if nothing else, for removing your hot line to some a grade managerial level ITK.

As far as the big picture is concerned, this is it in a nutshell.

 

[ryantegan]

As far as the big picture is concerned, this is it in a nutshell.

Fine then be honest about it. Dont pretend to bid big when really you have no intention of following through

 

[Spurs_Bear]

So Redknapp didn't say he chose not to sign Suarez because he was too like VDV, or Ben Arfa because we had Lennon ?

Did he say he 'chose' not to sign the players, as in Levy had the cheque signed but Redknapp went "nah fanks"? Because that's what you're implying in your argument.

And anyway, since when did you believe a fucking word Redknapp said?

 

[chiversandgilzean]

I disagree with the decision to go back to Friedal on Saturday after the Villa game. Having made the break AVB should have followed it through.

 

[The Apprentice]

With all due respect, you talk utter shit, all wrapped up in big words and heavy donations to the site.

At least I have some inside knowledge. Knowledge that i have happily passed onto this site for years. Its just a shame that some people cant accept the ugly stuff. I'm not saying that levy is a bad chairman. I'm not saying that what Levy does is so wrong. I'm also not saying that Levy is a problem. I am merely passing on what is common knowledge behind the scenes.

Levy has his people. These people ultimately buy the players.

Not the manager. Be it Jol, be it Redknapp or be it AVB. These managers did not sign the players that they set out to sign.

They tried, by fuck did they try. But in the end Levy and his merry men got the players in. Thats why you see us signing players we have been linked with for so long irrespective of the manager in place. Jan Vertonghen, and Gylfi are prime examples of this.

Its not a personal vendetta you cyber bulling shit, its just passing on the info that is undeniably true!

Get over it!

What's your point though? Are you saying Levy should go along with all the recommendations/wishlists of the current manager?

Do you think our current system of working is flawed? If so, what would be your realistic alternative?

Not digging, just curious.