Martin Atkinson

[StartingPrice]

Exactly. And if you look at the rule for a sending off for a handball it specifies 'denying the opposing team' where as this rule talks about a singular 'opponent'. As I said earlier the only reason Cech isn't sent off is because Bale is closer to the ball than a Chelsea player but does this alter the actual foul that was committed on the attacking player with the ball who was about to score?

No...it is a clear red-card offence - you play the advantage and then punish the player retrospectively. If that was an outfield player, the card is issued EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK!

So, without this incompetent's interventions we are one/one against ten men

 

[CosmicHotspur]

Psychologically, it made a huge difference and will probably do so for the remainder of the season. Whether we would have gone on to win yesterday or not is a question which we can't really answer. On current form, perhaps not. We don't seem to make the comebacks we used to although yesterday when we scored it looked as though we might have been able to turn things around.

I see Atkinson has admitted his error and apologised and says he will "have a bad week". Oh dear... poor man. What about the gormless, expressionless linesman who did nothing and said nothing? Did he really not see that the ball could no way have crossed the line?

A few months ago not so, but we're now having a bad season and you've just made it even worse.

Goal-line technology has to be introduced, sooner rather than later.

 

[Dundalk_Spur]

I would also like to know how long it took to get Sideshow Bob off the pitch after we scored??

The 5 minutes added at the end, although irrelevant due to the final scoreline, barely covered him and the length of time after the ghost goal that we protested.

That doesnt include the subs, the amount of time Drogba lay on the ground feigning injury to break up our attacks, the timewasting on throws. Oh and on the throws, every one the took from about 7-10 yards from where it went out, after taking a minute to decide to throw it, and the officials said nothing.

 

[nightgoat]

I just want to know what on earth he saw, which made him give the goal. I can't even see from his angle what he could have seen.

Also going to email the FA about reimbursing my ticket considering they sent a letter telling us fans to abide by the laws, it's only well and good that it goes both ways

John Terry celebrating.

 

[nailsy]

You can only send a player off retrospectively (if advantage has been played) if it's violent conduct is the reason I have heard for not sending off Cech. Not sure if that is true but that's what I have heard.

Seems like that is the case - this is from the fifa rulebook again:

" If the referee applies advantage during an obvious goalscoring opportunity and
a goal is scored directly, despite the opponent’s handling the ball or fouling an
opponent, the player cannot be sent off but he may still be cautioned."

 

[Mullers]

It was a very bad decision but at the end of the day they still scored 4 other perfectly good goals and deserved to win. We were defensively poor and mentally weak. It is extremely unlikely we would have beat Chelsea by the same margin had they been in our position.

 

[ziggy]

Why can't we have a rugby type 4th official who takes a look at these issues and tells the ref what to do. OK it would hold the game up for a couple of mins, but that's no different to a player getting injured etc. At least then you'd feel like the incident had been looked at before the game had been affected. Could be used for penalty decisions, offside decisions where goals have been scored too.

 

[theShiznit]

Why can't we have a rugby type 4th official who takes a look at these issues and tells the ref what to do. OK it would hold the game up for a couple of mins, but that's no different to a player getting injured etc. At least then you'd feel like the incident had been looked at before the game had been affected. Could be used for penalty decisions, offside decisions where goals have been scored too.

i've always thought this, someone just sitting there watching a monitor, it's usually 1-2 replays and you can clearly see if things are wrong or right, then press a button, wouldn't even slow the game really as the play is stopped naturally.

But the fa/FiFa whoever, always argue that they like football to be the same game from the park to the world cup final.

but the fact is that it isn't, games int the park will (usually) not result in riots or people losing their livelihoods, nor would bad decisions down the park send a club into administration by costing them £40M.

the technology is there, we've all seen it, How can it be than cash poor sports like Cricket and Rugby are leaving us behind, it's frankly embarrassing.

 

[cwy21]

Seems like that is the case - this is from the fifa rulebook again:

" If the referee applies advantage during an obvious goalscoring opportunity and
a goal is scored directly, despite the opponent’s handling the ball or fouling an
opponent, the player cannot be sent off but he may still be cautioned."

Thank you. Not sure why I didn't think of going into the interpretations part.

 

[brasil_spur]

Agreed, the whole thing is a farce.

FIFA need to be held accountable for their unwillingness to implement goal line technology.

If i was Levy i would throw £10k at my lawyers and get them to file a claim against FIFA for the lost revenue in making the cup final. Won't get anywhere in court obviously, but should at least make them sit up and take some more notice.

 

[Star_of_Davids]

twice agains them. who was the ref last time...

it was Marriner last season

 

[theShiznit]

the sad thing is, the "evens itself out" thing is probably true... :giggle:

but not over a season.

So wait for the year when bad decisions propel us to a record breaking title with 114 points, every game won by a single penalty or offside goal or a goal wrongly awarded... that'll be the year they introduce retrospective technology and we'll get relegated

edited for SP to reflect it's status as a humerous attempt to shut the "evens itself out" numpties up.

 

[StartingPrice]

Seems like that is the case - this is from the fifa rulebook again:

" If the referee applies advantage during an obvious goalscoring opportunity and
a goal is scored directly, despite the opponent’s handling the ball or fouling an
opponent, the player cannot be sent off but he may still be cautioned."

In which case:
1) They should change the rule.
2) He should have at least yellowed him - or was the thinking so much that it was a clear red that he had tio not card him at all because it clearly wasn't a yellow card offence?

 

[nailsy]

In which case:
1) They should change the rule.
2) He should have at least yellowed him - or was the thinking so much that it was a clear red that he had tio not card him at all because it clearly wasn't a yellow card offence?

I thought he was given a yellow?

 

[StartingPrice]

the sad thing is, the "evens itself out" thing is probably true...

but not over a season.

So wait for the year when bad decisions propel us to a record breaking title with 114 points, every game won by a single penalty or offside goal or a goal wrongly awarded... that'll be the year they introduce retrospective technology and we'll get relegated

That is flat out wrong, IMHO...we have had several ridiculous decisions go against us that have no corresponding equivalence, and, excluding them, I am pretty certain I have seen us not getting 3 or 4 penalties just in one game against United, which would more than cancel out getting 4 penalties in a season that we should never have got (but have we got them), let alone several others going against us in other games, season after fecking season. On the subject of United, I have watched Paul scholes systematically committing 5 or 6 yellow card tackles per game, against us alone, and not even getting a yellow (presumably because every time, from day one, that it has been mentioned, Beetroot Head would just laugh and say "we all know Paul Scholes can't tackle" - well tell him not to fecking tackle then you twat - instead the refs think "Awwwwwwwww, poor lickle Scholesy."), and at the same time Spurs players get sent off and even when the video evidence shows there was no or minimal contact the FA won't rescind. And I have watched Rooney foul-mouthing refs throughout games (including against us) where every time he does it it should be a yellow and yet the refs won't do anything about it (again, presumably, because form day one Beetroot Head would sigh wistfully and say "it's a natural part of his game, take that away and he wouldn't be the same player" - well ruin his fecking career, then, if he can't play without assaulting players and swearing incessantly at the refs don't let him have a career). We see Rooney giving an opposition player a forearm smash, and even when the video evidence shows this clearly the bollockless FA do, er, fa - twats. And yet Spurs players, one after another, use their arms only for leverage and there is no or minimal contact, and no damage done, but they get red-carded anyway - with no chance of the FA rescinding.

Sorry, but I have been watching this biased, hypocritical BS for way too long, and it absolutely isn't being balanced out within seasons, over a couple of seasons, or even over fecking decades

 

[StartingPrice]

I thought he was given a yellow?

Maybe he was...I was just too apoplectic by that stage that I was foaming at the mouth that he sould go that I mustn't have noticed...my bad

 

[theShiznit]

sorry for not making it clear sp...

but that be a joke (from start to finish)

 

[$hoguN]

Agreed, the whole thing is a farce.

FIFA need to be held accountable for their unwillingness to implement goal line technology.

If i was Levy i would throw £10k at my lawyers and get them to file a claim against FIFA for the lost revenue in making the cup final. Won't get anywhere in court obviously, but should at least make them sit up and take some more notice.

You would probably end up being sued for assault.

 

[Bingy]

Am I the only one who feels that Cheque (Pun intended) 'earned' a Red card for his tackle on Adde, before Bales goal? He prevented a certain goal....and FOULED our player....but...Bale was 'in the right place....at the right time' and managed to score, in a empty net.....HOWEVER....the fould had been committed and Cheque (pun intended) should have seen red...in any other 'law abiding' country (but NOT here?).
NOBODY seems to want to look at the evidence (apart from our crowd)...and least of all...the idiots in the FA (why are we surprised?). In a perfect world the game should be replayed (and the 1939-1945 War refought?) and a legal restraint placed on the completion of the FA Cup....once the Refereeing team have been 'uncovered' (on an aside...all of my european mates consider EPL Refs to be amoungst the worst in football....and, after last night (and so many other high profile Brit disasters!), I too am in agreement. As a Slovak friend once said...with Video technology...England would not have won any World Cup, in '66. Perhaps there is a connection with the FA being cool over it's introduction? haha. All joking apart....The whole world saw knows ned and what happened but nobody wants to 'cause waves? So who will suffer the wrath of the English FA (incompetence, I mean)....COYS (written in shock and anger!....and total amazement)

 

[theShiznit]

reading is your friend...

a lot can happen in 7 pages