Match Ratings -VS- PSV
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The two from free-kicks were definitely his fault. Especially the one against Birmingham. He was basically standing beside the other post. I think even Zokora could have scored with all the space Larsson had.
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SpursSince1957,
I find it amusing that you try to justify your persona on this forum and you are unable to find any kind of compromise, and you will never admit that you are/were wrong.
Sort it out...
I find it amusing that you try to justify your persona on this forum and you are unable to find any kind of compromise, and you will never admit that you are/were wrong.
Sort it out...
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This was always going to be a tough game. PSV are a tough side. Not stacked with flair but incredibly hard working, technically good. I thought first half we were pretty good. Tight game but we were in control agianst a team that came with 5 in midfield and kept it very tight. I think the decision to take off Gilberto (despite his howler) was predictable but not necessarily right. And why not put on Lee ? Ohara is not Lb and was hopelessly exposed several times which could have lost the tie completely.
Unfortunately all the substitutions tonight had a detremental effect, with the possible exception of Taarabt who looked lively and creative. I can understand why they were made and things did change (which Ramos's subs usually do) but unfortunately not for the better. We lost shape and rythym and ended up hoofing and they picked us off. Ratings:
Robinson 6 - A save but a couple of needless flaps as well.
Chimbonda 7 - good game overall
Woodhate 8 - played well
King 8 - Played well.
Gilberto 5 - Not the best debut I've ever seen.
Lennon 6.5 - did ok.
Jenas 6.5 - Worked hard.
Zokora 6.5 - worked hard.
Malbranque 6 - Good first half. Completely faded second half. He is a tenacious and technically great little player but his composure at the finish of moves often deserts him unfortunately. But he is playing out of position.
Berbatov 7.5 - worked very hard tonight.
Keane 7 - first half was lively. must not bottle things that matter. Must show up for the ball more from the midfield on games like tonight.
Ohara 6 - horribly exposed a few times. Why was he put there when Lee was on the bench ?
Huddlestone 5 - poor. Lack of mobility was exposed yet again. Games like tonight just highlight how huddlestone cannot cope in a central midfield 2 against very good opposition who don't give him the time he needs.
Taarabt 6.5 - Looked lively, skillfull and creative. wish we'd seen a bit more of him this season.
Unfortunately all the substitutions tonight had a detremental effect, with the possible exception of Taarabt who looked lively and creative. I can understand why they were made and things did change (which Ramos's subs usually do) but unfortunately not for the better. We lost shape and rythym and ended up hoofing and they picked us off. Ratings:
Robinson 6 - A save but a couple of needless flaps as well.
Chimbonda 7 - good game overall
Woodhate 8 - played well
King 8 - Played well.
Gilberto 5 - Not the best debut I've ever seen.
Lennon 6.5 - did ok.
Jenas 6.5 - Worked hard.
Zokora 6.5 - worked hard.
Malbranque 6 - Good first half. Completely faded second half. He is a tenacious and technically great little player but his composure at the finish of moves often deserts him unfortunately. But he is playing out of position.
Berbatov 7.5 - worked very hard tonight.
Keane 7 - first half was lively. must not bottle things that matter. Must show up for the ball more from the midfield on games like tonight.
Ohara 6 - horribly exposed a few times. Why was he put there when Lee was on the bench ?
Huddlestone 5 - poor. Lack of mobility was exposed yet again. Games like tonight just highlight how huddlestone cannot cope in a central midfield 2 against very good opposition who don't give him the time he needs.
Taarabt 6.5 - Looked lively, skillfull and creative. wish we'd seen a bit more of him this season.
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So you'd disagree that we'd have been totally sunk tonight had it not been for Robinson? That Saturday wouldn't have been an even bigger fiasco but for him? That we might not have the CC but for him?
Sure, there are better keepers out there, but let's slag off Robbo at every opportunity. I don't doubt we'll sign a new keeper, but if he turns out to be another Talbi or Mimms, who ya gonna call? Ghostbusters?
Stop your sneers and give the guy some credit. Or do you have some fantastically original pie jokes lined up?
Sure, there are better keepers out there, but let's slag off Robbo at every opportunity. I don't doubt we'll sign a new keeper, but if he turns out to be another Talbi or Mimms, who ya gonna call? Ghostbusters?
Stop your sneers and give the guy some credit. Or do you have some fantastically original pie jokes lined up?
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Nah.
Surely our version of 'excellent' hasn't sunk that low?
It irks me this overstating of mediocrity. Like the commentator last night: "That's a super ball by Malbranque," as the pass is hit into a decent area but too long and not to the player. If it was super, the forward would have got it. Instead it was merely a decent idea that didn't come off.
People need to realise what the words they use actually mean.
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Read my post above, I praised him for a great save which has kept us in the tie, but that doesn't change my opinion that we need a new keeper, that's not sneering. I don't think he's crap, or shit or whatever other sneering phrase you'd like, I just don't think he's good enough. I want an upgrade, that doesn't mean the upgrade will cut it either, but I'll trust Ramos too get us one and he will.
If everybody is going to agree on everything and all Spurs players are wonderful and are never to be questioned, what is the actual point of a Spurs football forum?
I tend to agree with alot of what you say in general, but not on this one.
He punched one cross tonight and that wasn't into a dangerous area, get a grip of yourself. He made one slight error tonight, and we got lucky as the rebound was offside. Give credit where it's due for fucksake. You can't fucking slate Robbo's performance on the night simple b'cos he's fucked up previously, he's already taken a slating for all of those errors.
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Robinson 7 - did well
Chimbonda 5 - average
Gilberto 3 - a bad debut
King 6 - stood off PSV players to much
Woodgate 7 - solid
Zokora 5 - average
Jenas 6 - looked occasionally threatening. Wasteful from set-pieces
Malbranque 6 - good in the first half
Lennon 5 - didn't do much
Berbatov 5 - Good touches, but seemed off the pace. I can't remember him getting a shot on target
Keane 7 - lively, two great saves from keeper stopped him from scoring
O'Hara 7 - solid, even when exposed by Malbranque going centrl
Huddlestone 4.5 - looked off the pace
Taarabt 6 - looked good when he came on
Chimbonda 5 - average
Gilberto 3 - a bad debut
King 6 - stood off PSV players to much
Woodgate 7 - solid
Zokora 5 - average
Jenas 6 - looked occasionally threatening. Wasteful from set-pieces
Malbranque 6 - good in the first half
Lennon 5 - didn't do much
Berbatov 5 - Good touches, but seemed off the pace. I can't remember him getting a shot on target
Keane 7 - lively, two great saves from keeper stopped him from scoring
O'Hara 7 - solid, even when exposed by Malbranque going centrl
Huddlestone 4.5 - looked off the pace
Taarabt 6 - looked good when he came on
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so hard to mark. I gave my Motm to woodgate becasue he played 90mins but King till he went off was the only other performer.
On a technical level we regressed to such a slow tempo which suited PSV and they are much better than us playing that way. We allowed them time to hold onto the ball and then run off our midfield in the middle 3rd. They weren’t great going forward Allenay was a good player but until the suicidal bit of defending from Gilberto we didn’t look like conceding. We looked even less likely to score though. Not till Ramos went 3 at the back did PSV look dangerous and not till Huddlestone and Tarrabt were both on in the last 10 minutes did we look like even having a shot.
Our CB’s were the only performers the rest PAH! with the possible exception of Berbatov who never actually got given the ball in good areas and nobody was close enough to him. He was forced through our LONG LONG ball tactics into winning plenty of good flicks that on another day Keane would have gambled his movement differently and may have got on the end of. and one of the two only chances we had was one of the few times Berbatov got the ball to feet and played the ball reversely to Clownbonda. All of the starting midfield and both full backs were terrible. Huddlestone was marginally better, O’Hara was ok and Tarrabt in one moment did more than lemon in the whole 90mins. I think before JJ got injured the switch was going to be Lemon off and JJ wide Right with Huddlestone in next to Zoko-pops. It seems we’ve rung every last bit of ability out of some of the players to win the CC cup and now they have nothing left to give…. even worse they’ve collectively thought that’s the job done for the season. Very small time.
The tardiness of our play, the decision to start Gilberto after no football for 3 months and the subsequent change at only 1-0 to a back 3 all have to be accepted by Ramos as his mistake. Also make the defeat at Brum look worse because part of the excuse was he rested key players… pit falls of rotation when it back fires.
PSV are a good experienced team but we made them look a bit better than they are. The tie isn’t over because it would be just like us to turn it on away but I for one doubt we’ll get what we want.
On a technical level we regressed to such a slow tempo which suited PSV and they are much better than us playing that way. We allowed them time to hold onto the ball and then run off our midfield in the middle 3rd. They weren’t great going forward Allenay was a good player but until the suicidal bit of defending from Gilberto we didn’t look like conceding. We looked even less likely to score though. Not till Ramos went 3 at the back did PSV look dangerous and not till Huddlestone and Tarrabt were both on in the last 10 minutes did we look like even having a shot.
Our CB’s were the only performers the rest PAH! with the possible exception of Berbatov who never actually got given the ball in good areas and nobody was close enough to him. He was forced through our LONG LONG ball tactics into winning plenty of good flicks that on another day Keane would have gambled his movement differently and may have got on the end of. and one of the two only chances we had was one of the few times Berbatov got the ball to feet and played the ball reversely to Clownbonda. All of the starting midfield and both full backs were terrible. Huddlestone was marginally better, O’Hara was ok and Tarrabt in one moment did more than lemon in the whole 90mins. I think before JJ got injured the switch was going to be Lemon off and JJ wide Right with Huddlestone in next to Zoko-pops. It seems we’ve rung every last bit of ability out of some of the players to win the CC cup and now they have nothing left to give…. even worse they’ve collectively thought that’s the job done for the season. Very small time.
The tardiness of our play, the decision to start Gilberto after no football for 3 months and the subsequent change at only 1-0 to a back 3 all have to be accepted by Ramos as his mistake. Also make the defeat at Brum look worse because part of the excuse was he rested key players… pit falls of rotation when it back fires.
PSV are a good experienced team but we made them look a bit better than they are. The tie isn’t over because it would be just like us to turn it on away but I for one doubt we’ll get what we want.
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People who are mentioned King's standing off are referring to the one moment when OHara eventually Blocked. In that instance King was being run at 2 v 1. Farfan with the ball and Allenay running to the left centrally. In that instance you have to position yourself inbetween the two players, slightly closer to the the man with the ball but not too close to allow the pass to the free man with enough space to shift and shoot. King held up Farfan long enough for Ohara to recover his position. That was top notch,text book defending from King...to see it as a point ot critisum is to admit you don't know football well enough.
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I admit I don't know football well enough.
And I eat prawn sandwiches. And I only started supporting Spurs when we won the Carling Cup. And my friends are all called Tarquin and Rupert.
And I eat prawn sandwiches. And I only started supporting Spurs when we won the Carling Cup. And my friends are all called Tarquin and Rupert.
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No I am not.
I am also talking about King vs Adebayour when we beat them 5-1 and also against Charlton when Darren Bent scored two and we won 3-2 at the valley 3 seasons ago.
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Oh pack it in. the first bent goal was becasue Dawson got done and king had to move across to cover he was overwhelmingly second favourite to get there and the second one was a similar situation to yesterday. If King had closed down Bent he had an easy tap to the side to play in thomas.. he was fucked either way becasue the CM let runner go. The adeybayor goal had nothing to do with closing down. Adeybyor tried to take the ball with his left instep and it spooned off his heal wrong footing them both and then a great finsih. The fact you are fishing out these weak examples strenghtens my case.
Also if you truely believe those other goals were Kings fault :rofl: don't add them as extenuating reasons to give him a 6 for yesterday. I've already explained how he dealt with the Farfan situation perfectly so stop scavenging around for weak justifications.
Just hold your hands up...you'll get far more respect from the community rather than carrying down this ridiculous path.
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P.Robinson (8) - Done well when called upon and made an awesome save from Farfan to keep us in the tie. Nothing he could do about the goal.
Chimbonda (7) - Done ok. Should have atleast worked the keeper with a free header. Made some good tackles but got caught out of position a few times.
Gilberto (4) - Started well with calm passing and an assured touch. Looked to bomb on down the left frequently....and that was the problem. Repeatidly caught out of position and at fault for the PSV goal. Ramos has to take some blame for playing him as he looked woefully short of match fitness.
King (8) - Strong performance and was a collosus in the air
Woodgate (8) - As strong and assured as King and made some crucial tackles/headers
Zokora (7) - Jackle and Hyde again. Zoko, for the most part, played very well and broke up there attacks repeatidly. However, some very comical tackling and yet again, was giving away clumsy free kicks in dangerous positions.
Jenas (7) - Ran his heart out but looked a lonely figure in the midfield as Zokora repeatidly took up deep positions leaving Jenas isolated
Malbranque (6) - Not his best performance. Made some foraging runs but his constant roaming + gilberto pushing forward meant our left side looked extremly suspect. His end product (passing & shooting) was extremely poor
Lennon (8) - Looked lively but could not turn the game on his own. Looked repeatidly to get passed his man but didn't really see enough of the ball to do any damage
Berbatov (7) - Some nice touches and passes but spent most of the game getting more and more frustrated with the ref and his team mates.
Keane (6) - Hardly saw the ball and the defender had Robbie in his pocket and marked him out the game. The usual telepathy between himself and Berbs was gone and the flick on's he usually latches onto went to empty grass instead. Like Berba, spent most of the game moaning.
O'Hara (5) - Love this guys attitude but sorry, He looked poor and is not cut out for premier league football just yet. Did make 1 crucial block tackle but looked equally as poor as Gilberto on the left.
Huddlestone (6) - Not his greatest outing either. His touch deserted him tonight and he looked like he couldnt trap a bag of cement. Dissapoiting
Taarabt (7) - Like Lennon, looked bright and lively and looked to cause PSV problems. Great skill and movement. This kid looks promosing.
Chimbonda (7) - Done ok. Should have atleast worked the keeper with a free header. Made some good tackles but got caught out of position a few times.
Gilberto (4) - Started well with calm passing and an assured touch. Looked to bomb on down the left frequently....and that was the problem. Repeatidly caught out of position and at fault for the PSV goal. Ramos has to take some blame for playing him as he looked woefully short of match fitness.
King (8) - Strong performance and was a collosus in the air
Woodgate (8) - As strong and assured as King and made some crucial tackles/headers
Zokora (7) - Jackle and Hyde again. Zoko, for the most part, played very well and broke up there attacks repeatidly. However, some very comical tackling and yet again, was giving away clumsy free kicks in dangerous positions.
Jenas (7) - Ran his heart out but looked a lonely figure in the midfield as Zokora repeatidly took up deep positions leaving Jenas isolated
Malbranque (6) - Not his best performance. Made some foraging runs but his constant roaming + gilberto pushing forward meant our left side looked extremly suspect. His end product (passing & shooting) was extremely poor
Lennon (8) - Looked lively but could not turn the game on his own. Looked repeatidly to get passed his man but didn't really see enough of the ball to do any damage
Berbatov (7) - Some nice touches and passes but spent most of the game getting more and more frustrated with the ref and his team mates.
Keane (6) - Hardly saw the ball and the defender had Robbie in his pocket and marked him out the game. The usual telepathy between himself and Berbs was gone and the flick on's he usually latches onto went to empty grass instead. Like Berba, spent most of the game moaning.
O'Hara (5) - Love this guys attitude but sorry, He looked poor and is not cut out for premier league football just yet. Did make 1 crucial block tackle but looked equally as poor as Gilberto on the left.
Huddlestone (6) - Not his greatest outing either. His touch deserted him tonight and he looked like he couldnt trap a bag of cement. Dissapoiting
Taarabt (7) - Like Lennon, looked bright and lively and looked to cause PSV problems. Great skill and movement. This kid looks promosing.
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A couple of people have mentioned JJ but not too many which surprises me.
We were actually attacking PSV directly and had started running at them and JJ was instrumental in that until he got injured,
After that we had lost our engine and had no real way through the midfield and started long balls all the time.
That is how important JJ is to us, some people don't seem to recognise what he does but surely nobody could miss the consequences of him not being there last night.
I haven't seen the incident on tele and I was low down last night so didn't see it close up but the flying tackle seemed to come in about three seconds after he'd released the ball, was it as bad as it loked to me?
We were actually attacking PSV directly and had started running at them and JJ was instrumental in that until he got injured,
After that we had lost our engine and had no real way through the midfield and started long balls all the time.
That is how important JJ is to us, some people don't seem to recognise what he does but surely nobody could miss the consequences of him not being there last night.
I haven't seen the incident on tele and I was low down last night so didn't see it close up but the flying tackle seemed to come in about three seconds after he'd released the ball, was it as bad as it loked to me?
