Modric IS leaving us..

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

I can't believe this thread is still going.

Luka has said he is happy.
Lukas agent has said his client is happy to stay
Levy said our top players won't be sold
Luka has 5 years to run on his contract
Harry has stated at least 10 times now that Luka is NOT for sale!

Why the debate for?

 

[Wirral Spurs]

I can't believe this thread is still going.

Luka has said he is happy.
Lukas agent has said his client is happy to stay
Levy said our top players won't be sold
Luka has 5 years to run on his contract
Harry has stated at least 10 times now that Luka is NOT for sale!

Why the debate for?

Because his agent has privately been touting him around, because he can get double the wages elsewhere and because player power dictates what happens irrespective of what Levy/Harry say.

Sadly when Man U come knocking then there isn't much the Club can do other than get the deal on their terms.

 

[$hoguN]

Because his agent has privately been touting him around, because he can get double the wages elsewhere and because player power dictates what happens irrespective of what Levy/Harry say.

Sadly when Man U come knocking then there isn't much the Club can do other than get the deal on their terms.

His agent who has says there is no way Luka is leaving?

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Because his agent has privately been touting him around, because he can get double the wages elsewhere and because player power dictates what happens irrespective of what Levy/Harry say.

Sadly when Man U come knocking then there isn't much the Club can do other than get the deal on their terms.

He has 5 years left on his contract so we can keep him for another 3 seasons without his value really dropping. We don't need to sell him.

Its not like other situations where the player refuses to sign a new contract and only has 1-2 seasons left so they have the power.

 

[danielneeds]

I dream of the Levy resists Red Nose for a player...remembner, Dan (I don't know about you), but I grew up when in terms of trophies won, etc, we were not considered to be massively inferior to them, a bit behind them, but not that far...and certainly not in a position where they could just biatch-slap our players out of us.

Hey, my first ever game at the Lane we beat United 4-1 with Glenn scorring two. Unfortunately those days are a long time ago and they have won 12 titles, 5 FA Cup, two CLs, and we have a couple of Carling Cups.

 

[StartingPrice]

Because his agent has privately been touting him around, because he can get double the wages elsewhere and because player power dictates what happens irrespective of what Levy/Harry say.

Sadly when Man U come knocking then there isn't much the Club can do other than get the deal on their terms.

But that's the point...some of us just do not agree with this. He is on a 5 year contract, the club can just refuse to listen to offers. This means, firstly, he has to demand a move (and some of us don't believe he will do that this Summer), and then the will be the whole question of whether he ahs been tapped up. And then the club can simply say no and he has to decide if he really is going to stop playing - something I doubt very, very much. And, if he does, for how long...3 seasons, or is it 4, before he can buy himself out of his contract; and hoe is that going to look to prospective employers:shrug:

You need to get it into perspective. Players certainly do hold a lot of the cards, and it is true that sooner rather than later it would probably be in the long term interests of the club to cut a deal. But it is wrong to say the club can do nothing. And to continue stating it as a fact ignoring arguments to the contrary, is rather narrow-minded. We have one example of a club, recently, who did resist this pressure - the Goons with Fabregas. So, it can be done.

And if you read what most of us are saying, all we are saying is we shuld be able to withstand the pressure this season, but failure to qualify for CL next season and look like we can fuilfill his ambitions will probably see him off. It's not like anyone is really saying we will force him to stay at WHL for 5 years even if he issues a statement tomorrow saying he wants out yesterday, and nothing will change his mind.

And, as I said to you last night, I'm not doubting your sincerity, but why would his agent be so public in stating that he isn't moving and then sneak about trying to sell him? It doesn't make any sense, adn makes me suspect you have got on the wrong end of a Chinese Whisper, or something.

 

[StartingPrice]

Hey, my first ever game at the Lane we beat United 4-1 with Glenn scorring two. Unfortunately those days are a long time ago and they have won 12 titles, 5 FA Cup, two CLs, and we have a couple of Carling Cups.

But this argument crops up so many times...I'm not saying we are still in the same position, I am saying we WANT to get back to some kind of parity, and the only way to do that is keeping players like Modric.

They stole a march on us...should we just give up?

 

[$hoguN]

But this argument crops up so many times...I'm not saying we are still in the same position, I am saying we WANT to get back to some kind of parity, and the only way to do that is keeping players like Modric.

They stole a march on us...should we just give up?

That may be the biggest under statement I've ever read mate, although I do agree if we want to win titles etc. we need to keep players of the quality

 

[danielneeds]

But this argument crops up so many times...I'm not saying we are still in the same position, I am saying we WANT to get back to some kind of parity, and the only way to do that is keeping players like Modric.

They stole a march on us...should we just give up?

I don't disagree that the only we to achieve parity with them is keeping the likes of Modric, only that it is easier said than done.

 

[StartingPrice]

That may be the biggest under statement I've ever read mate, although I do agree if we want to win titles etc. we need to keep players of the quality

:hump: :grin:
It just annoys me listening to younger Yiddos, sometimes, talking as though they have some mystic right to our deference.
They took a risk on a massive stadium development at a time when, thanks to the Hoolie problems and TV, attendances were falling. They stood by a manager who most of their fans wanted sacked, when, after nearly 5 years, he had won nothing. And they qualified for the CL and all the financial benefits thereof when we were in financial chaos, Liverpool were in declining, and the Man in the Raincoat was demonstrating his pecadillo for brown envelopes and proving that crime doesn't pay. All of these factors played into their favour - I'm not saying they didn't do well, or do anything to earn it (I'm sure a lot of folk worked very hard at OT). But these factors gave them an era of unprecedented success, not some Divine Right that we should be tugging our forelock's to (cue Bomber-esque comments:grin.

We have every right to be trying to catch up with them. We should be trying to catch up with them.

I don't disagree that the only we to achieve parity with them is keeping the likes of Modric, only that it is harder said than done.

Ain't that the truth.

Time for Daniel Levy to step up to the plate:bowdown:

 

[$hoguN]

I get your general point, but the last 20 years has seen the biggest ever change in football and in that period of time Utd have grown exponentially, our two clubs are unfortunately not comparable on any real scale anymore. However looking at our current squads we have nothing to fear from Utd especially if we can retain our best players and continue to add players of similar quality. The future is definently bright for us.

 

[StartingPrice]

I get your general point, but the last 20 years has seen the biggest ever change in football and in that period of time Utd have grown exponentially, our two clubs are unfortunately not comparable on any real scale anymore. However looking at our current squads we have nothing to fear from Utd especially if we can retain our best players and continue to add players of similar quality. The future is definently bright for us.

I know. And I know I lay it on a bit thick re United, at times. But, as I say, I grew up in an era when United were just another team, aspiring like ourselves to topple Liverpool. A team with a trophy haul a bit better than ours...but not so much that we should pee our pants at the mere mention of them. So, I believe, firmly, that we should respect them for what they have achieved, whereas some of our own supporters, the younger ones in particular, are so much in awe of them that they think even aspiring to catch them up is some kind mortal sin. I know stole a march doesn't quite encapsulate the scale of the gap they have created between us - but I am emplying the term as a counter to this almost mystical reverence some younger Spurs fans have of them.

And now, more than any time in the last 20 years, I really do think that we can get back up into the top tier. It might not mean winning 12 titles, but it would mean being able to compete, and not having to roll over for United whenever they want to take a player. We MUST keep this group of players together and show ambition in the transfer market.

 

[Wirral Spurs]

But that's the point...some of us just do not agree with this. He is on a 5 year contract, the club can just refuse to listen to offers. This means, firstly, he has to demand a move (and some of us don't believe he will do that this Summer), and then the will be the whole question of whether he ahs been tapped up. And then the club can simply say no and he has to decide if he really is going to stop playing - something I doubt very, very much. And, if he does, for how long...3 seasons, or is it 4, before he can buy himself out of his contract; and hoe is that going to look to prospective employers:shrug:

You need to get it into perspective. Players certainly do hold a lot of the cards, and it is true that sooner rather than later it would probably be in the long term interests of the club to cut a deal. But it is wrong to say the club can do nothing. And to continue stating it as a fact ignoring arguments to the contrary, is rather narrow-minded. We have one example of a club, recently, who did resist this pressure - the Goons with Fabregas. So, it can be done.

And if you read what most of us are saying, all we are saying is we shuld be able to withstand the pressure this season, but failure to qualify for CL next season and look like we can fuilfill his ambitions will probably see him off. It's not like anyone is really saying we will force him to stay at WHL for 5 years even if he issues a statement tomorrow saying he wants out yesterday, and nothing will change his mind.

And, as I said to you last night, I'm not doubting your sincerity, but why would his agent be so public in stating that he isn't moving and then sneak about trying to sell him? It doesn't make any sense, adn makes me suspect you have got on the wrong end of a Chinese Whisper, or something.

SP I understand your point. I expect we will have to up his wages significantly because I suspect that personally he is happy to stay but he will know that he can earn very much more elsewhere. Agents benefit massively from players moving and his stock is very high at the moment, I don't doubt the person who told me this and I am sure it's just part of a negotiating tactic. Public statements and private actions are bound to be very different especially concerning agents. I think it is a great test of where we are in the 'food chain' right now. Have we really got the ambition and courage to push into the top few or will we fade and drop into just top 6?

 

[StartingPrice]

SP I understand your point. I expect we will have to up his wages significantly because I suspect that personally he is happy to stay but he will know that he can earn very much more elsewhere. Agents benefit massively from players moving and his stock is very high at the moment, I don't doubt the person who told me this and I am sure it's just part of a negotiating tactic. Public statements and private actions are bound to be very different especially concerning agents. I think it is a great test of where we are in the 'food chain' right now. Have we really got the ambition and courage to push into the top few or will we fade and drop into just top 6?

:hump:

I understand that folk can say one thing in public and another in private, but if we look at the BerbaGit issues (as others are wont to do), we see that his agent was totally full-on for months (a season:shrug before that Summer beat the drum for his player moving to a 'bigger' club.

But, anyway, all I am really challenging is the idea that the club can't do anything as I feel it overstates the case, somewhat.

None of us relaly know what is going on.
What I do remember is the articles about Dan Levy being in Zagreb and walking along the bank of the river with the President of Dinamo and Modric's agent (I believe), and the relationship we have with them (like with SuperSport and Inter). So, for all I know, they might have agreed to sell Luka this Summer or next 'cos they have someone 10 times better omg to sell to us.

But we don't know any of that.
We only know that Levy, Redknapp and Modric have all made two lengthy statements that he won't be sold, his agent has issued one and his mouthpiece (Corluka) has issued one (with the provisio that we show ambition in the transfer market).
I'm not saying your source is wrong or lying, just that against all of this, and particularly his agent, it seems strange that he should also be touting Modders out to potential buyers.
If nothing else, if it is without Levy's knowledge, it is going to ruin that cosy relationship that seems to benefit everyone, and they all seem to be happy with.

 

[Wirral Spurs]

:hump:

I understand that folk can say one thing in public and another in private, but if we look at the BerbaGit issues (as others are wont to do), we see that his agent was totally full-on for months (a season:shrug before that Summer beat the drum for his player moving to a 'bigger' club.

But, anyway, all I am really challenging is the idea that the club can't do anything as I feel it overstates the case, somewhat.

None of us relaly know what is going on.
What I do remember is the articles about Dan Levy being in Zagreb and walking along the bank of the river with the President of Dinamo and Modric's agent (I believe), and the relationship we have with them (like with SuperSport and Inter). So, for all I know, they might have agreed to sell Luka this Summer or next 'cos they have someone 10 times better omg to sell to us.

But we don't know any of that.
We only know that Levy, Redknapp and Modric have all made two lengthy statements that he won't be sold, his agent has issued one and his mouthpiece (Corluka) has issued one (with the provisio that we show ambition in the transfer market).
I'm not saying your source is wrong or lying, just that against all of this, and particularly his agent, it seems strange that he should also be touting Modders out to potential buyers.
If nothing else, if it is without Levy's knowledge, it is going to ruin that cosy relationship that seems to benefit everyone, and they all seem to be happy with.

I agree that none of us know what really goes on. I was pretty friendly with Paul Barber when he was at the Club (and before) and I know that DL plays things very close to his chest. Whatever happens it will be on our (or DL's) terms so let's hope we push on with Luka in the side for at least one more season. It has been an interesting discussion though.

 

[mumbles]

http://www.lifesapitch.co.uk/laptv/pundit/chelsea-rebuffed-as-spurs-look-to-hold-on-to-modric/

 

[StartingPrice]

http://www.lifesapitch.co.uk/laptv/pundit/chelsea-rebuffed-as-spurs-look-to-hold-on-to-modric/

:clap:

They couldn't figure Levy out:rofl:

 

[adiepf]

:clap:

They couldn't figure Levy out:rofl:

love it!!

chelsea "daniel we want to buy modric"

DL "he isnt for sale"

chelsea "lol, yes of course daniel, but what would you want for him"

DL "no you dont understand he isnt for sale"

chelsea "oh we understand daniel....of course we do, but erm say he was..wink, wink...how much would you want?"

DL "oh i see, well if he was...wink, wink...erm we would sell for £250m!!!!"

chelsea ":O"

DL "btw, jenas is available, jose loves him!!!!!"

:rofl:

 

[tobi]

:grin:

 

[ajspurs]

:lol:

'Jenas is available, though...' should be the reply to anyone who asks about Modric.