The future of Spurs

[Bobbins]

So I've been thinking about what the future holds for our club and what we might look like in the years to come.

I think we all know Jose's time is limited, whether through failure to achieve what Levy wants or his own decision to walk away - it may be this summer, it may be next, but it likely won't be any longer than that.

So we know a new manager will be on the agenda relatively soon. What do people want from the next coach? Do they want another Poch style manager - very set on a style of play, a project, system etc? Perhaps someone like Nagelsmann in that case? Or do people want something different - maybe an English manager, someone up and coming or perhaps an experienced old hand who can keep things steady?

Who are the top candidates likely to be for the next manager?

And then with regards to the playing squad, that's going to see some significant changes over the next couple of years, particularly as the market begins to recover from the effects of COVID and transfers become more viable. Kane is realistically likely to leave within this time frame in an attempt to win some trophies, and Son is a good candidate to follow, so we will be looking at a new forward line. Our defence has been the subject of speculation for a long time, so we could see significant changes there. Hugo is not likely to stay with us for more than another couple of years.

What kind of players do we want? Do we go back to our "roots" of going for young, English ambitious players who want to improve (but may see the club as a stepping stone)? Is this still realistic now the "English player premium" has become so crazy and is likely to get worse due to new Brexit arrangements? Do we decide that this is the time to go for experience, especially PL experience, and look to poach from clubs slightly below us in the table? Will the new stadium eventually provide the income platform to be more ambitious with our transfer plans?

What are people's expectations for the future - will we stay around the top six and challenge for the CL places, will we push on to bigger ambitions, or will we need to be more realistic and recognise that now the likes of Everton and Leicester are in the mix and likely to stay (they are both developing/opening new training grounds/stadiums to solidify their climb up the ranks), it will be even more difficult to compete at the top? Would fans accept a reduced set of ambitions in order to enjoy more entertaining football? Or is winning something still the aim, even though it's likely to be more difficult than ever before?

There are so many uncertainties in the game right now and we could see some drastic changes to the future of the club in the next few years. I'd like to know what people think could happen, what's likely to happen, and what they'd like to see.

 

[buckley]

My answer to the question " the future of Spurs " is uncertain bordering on grim with no obvious reason to be optimistic .

 

[king26]

depends how long mourinho gets to screw us over

 

[Wsussexspur]

Been thinking about this as well recently as we just seem to be drifting aimlessly at the moment with no feel of a real long term plan/project.

As a club we need a reset, so many players need clearing out as the have done for along time. Most of this current squad has come to the end of the cycle to be honest it did two years ago.

not just the playing side off the pitch we need a complete reset. Off the pitch Massive question marks still surround Steve Hitchen and his role at the club. Most of his transfers seem to be very hit and miss.

For me I’d like ralf Ralf Rangnick to be next manager with very much same view he carries Out the same project as he did at Leipzig. With long term view he can move upstairs after few seasons into a director of football role.

 

[Sp3akerboxxx]

There are huge amounts of young English talents these days. The championship should be a main source of recruits for us.

I'm not sure nagelsmann would come here, and dont think we suit a "proven winner" like allegri.

Hasenhuttl would be my preference. Knows the league, gets the most out of his players, plays attractive football.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

If Mourinho gets shipped as some are surmising and in some cases hoping for, then I doubt it would matter who the new man was, we'd lose our best players without a shadow of a doubt.

If that happens, then attractive football is the most we'd get for a couple of seasons because the investment and time it's going to take to get us competing again considering that Everton and Leicester are now better than us, Arsenal are almost prime again and the gulf in class between us and United, City, Chelsea and Liverpool we'd be lucky to sniff top six.

A plucky cup run and wait while we develop a few more youth players, we could be looking at 2025 before we're even remotely relevant again.

 

[Yiddo1982]

With our substantial infrastructure and world class facilities we should (post pandemic) be dining at the top table. I want to see better recruitment in terms of profile and talent, but also character and mentality.

Not sure I see Kane leaving. I just can’t see someone being able to offer anything close to what Levy would find acceptable - especially in the current financial climate - and it you fast forward two years, who’s going to spend a shedload on a 29 year old?

I want a likeable, progressive manager in like big Ralph at Southampton.

 

[Neon_Knight_]

Been thinking about this as well recently as we just seem to be drifting aimlessly at the moment with no feel of a real long term plan/project.

As a club we need a reset, so many players need clearing out as the have done for along time. Most of this current squad has come to the end of the cycle to be honest it did two years ago.

not just the playing side off the pitch we need a complete reset. Off the pitch Massive question marks still surround Steve Hitchen and his role at the club. Most of his transfers seem to be very hit and miss.

For me I’d like ralf Ralf Rangnick to be next manager with very much same view he carries Out the same project as he did at Leipzig. With long term view he can move upstairs after few seasons into a director of football role.

Which players do you think need to be cleared out? I see us needing to replace a few stagnating / ageing palyers with quality signings, but not a big clear out, to build a very competitive squad.

 

[1966]

With our substantial infrastructure and world class facilities we should (post pandemic) be dining at the top table. I want to see better recruitment in terms of profile and talent, but also character and mentality.

Not sure I see Kane leaving. I just can’t see someone being able to offer anything close to what Levy would find acceptable - especially in the current financial climate - and it you fast forward two years, who’s going to spend a shedload on a 29 year old?

I want a likeable, progressive manager in like big Ralph at Southampton.

In two years, they won't have to spend anything. He'll be a free agent by then, won't he? Or close to it.

Edit: I guess I should clarify that I don't see him signing away the rest of his career under the current uncertain climate at Spurs.

 

[Neon_Knight_]

With our substantial infrastructure and world class facilities we should (post pandemic) be dining at the top table. I want to see better recruitment in terms of profile and talent, but also character and mentality.

Not sure I see Kane leaving. I just can’t see someone being able to offer anything close to what Levy would find acceptable - especially in the current financial climate - and it you fast forward two years, who’s going to spend a shedload on a 29 year old?

I want a likeable, progressive manager in like big Ralph at Southampton.

I don't think Kane wants to leave, but replacing Mourinho (proven winner with a global profile) with a "likeable, progressive manager" could leave him thinking he has to leave in order to win anything before he retires. I genuinely think one major trophy with Spurs would be more valuable to Kane than five trophies with a 'big' club like Real Madrid, but world-class players in their prime will only hang around if they can see clear short-term ambition to compete. Another 'project', similar to Poch, would see us aiming to challenge when Kane is potentially past his prime.

 

[dbspurs]

If Mourinho gets shipped as some are surmising and in some cases hoping for, then I doubt it would matter who the new man was, we'd lose our best players without a shadow of a doubt.

If that happens, then attractive football is the most we'd get for a couple of seasons because the investment and time it's going to take to get us competing again considering that Everton and Leicester are now better than us, Arsenal are almost prime again and the gulf in class between us and United, City, Chelsea and Liverpool we'd be lucky to sniff top six.

A plucky cup run and wait while we develop a few more youth players, we could be looking at 2025 before we're even remotely relevant again.

I'm pretty sure you're right in this analysis.

I think if Jose doesn't work out then Bale and Son will be gone and they aren't going to stick around for another project coach to spend 3 or 4 years building a team.

This is, unfortunately, the problem. Jose has been brought in as Levy's last ditch attempt to win things. He's done it everywhere, he'll do it here.

Jose has looked at the squad and decided these are, in the main, decent players and i can use my experience and knowledge to take them to another level and win trophies.

What looked good on paper has proved to not be the same in reality. I imagine Jose was quite shocked by the mental feebleness he encountered and then by how hard it has been to improve their game mentality.

After seeing them up close for the last 12 months he has also found out that some of them aren't as talented as he thought.

And this is now the problem we encounter. To replace Jose it would need to be someone who a) can hit the ground running and b) win something and get us in the Champions League followed by c) rebuild the squad.

Here lies another problem. IMO This squad is no longer good enough to regularly qualify for the Champions League. We may get lucky but with the current squad we are a top 6-8 team.

I am certain that we are going to lose our top players in the next 2 seasons if we can't achieve points b) and c) in that time frame.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

I'm pretty sure you're right in this analysis.

I think if Jose doesn't work out then Bale and Son will be gone and they aren't going to stick around for another project coach to spend 3 or 4 years building a team.

This is, unfortunately, the problem. Jose has been brought in as Levy's last ditch attempt to win things. He's done it everywhere, he'll do it here.

Jose has looked at the squad and decided these are, in the main, decent players and i can use my experience and knowledge to take them to another level and win trophies.

What looked good on paper has proved to not be the same in reality. I imagine Jose was quite shocked by the mental feebleness he encountered and then by how hard it has been to improve their game mentality.

After seeing them up close for the last 12 months he has also found out that some of them aren't as talented as he thought.

And this is now the problem we encounter. To replace Jose it would need to be someone who a) can hit the ground running and b) win something and get us in the Champions League followed by c) rebuild the squad.

Here lies another problem. IMO This squad is no longer good enough to regularly qualify for the Champions League. We may get lucky but with the current squad we are a top 6-8 team.

I am certain that we are going to lose our top players in the next 2 seasons if we can't achieve points b) and c) in that time frame.

Agree with the points you're making here, and it does point to an unsettled future with probably quite the turn over in the first team, more so, as you say, if Jose leaves. Uncertain times are ahead.

 

[Beni]

I will give Mourinho like all managers that have come here whether I wanted them or not the 3 seasons to proper analyse where we are as a team.

However, we should look at Marcelo Gallardo as our next coach if it doesn’t work out for Mourinho.

 

[VegasII]

I think Enic will sell up in the next 5 years (if they can). Jose was Levy’s roll of the dice to get some trophies and put our price up before we get sold.

 

[spurslenny]

I want a manager that plays solid, hard to beat, attacking football, and coaches players, and improves them so we can see results week in, week out.
I want our owners/chairman to back whoever that manager is with the players he wants.
I want our squad to develop a proper hard as bastards-never known when we're beaten-scare the shit out of opponents-fear no one mentality.

Get all that, and any trophy that may come along in the process will be the cherry on the cake. But I want the first 3 things first.

 

[WannaDanceWithUdogie]

Keeping an eye on Scott Parker for the future

 

[SecretLemonadeDrinker]

As and when Jose leaves, I think Levy will make a move for Julian Nagelsmann. I believe that he is a big fan of the RB Leipzig coach. Would be my ideal appointment and would fit with the MO that we had established prior to bringing in Jose. Whether or not he'd be available or willing to come is another matter. Above all, with a modern manager who sets his teams up positively, I'd actually be able to watch our games again. For most of the past 2-3 months, I couldn't bear to watch us.

Longer term, we'll be fine so long as fans can return to full stadiums in the not too distant future. We have nearly everything in place.

 

[Dougal]

If the last 20 years is anything to go by we’ll appoint an English manager soon. Get back to basics. Get a director of football in who’ll have his own ideas about what manager he can work with and appoint someone from abroad. At which point the DOF will abruptly leave. The new manager will take complete control, weeks before his sacking. David Pleat will take the reins for 6 months before he anoints an English manager. Who starts well but Levy will feel like he needs a director of football so appoints some...

 

[ebzrascal]

it is all down to recruitment and development...

We should be developing better young player and more of them and secondly our recruitment is not good enough. By recruitment I mean the younger players we bring in at under 21 years old and the older more established buys. We also need to do a better job of selling at the optimum time and renewing the squad when required.

sounds simple but hard to do however other clubs with less resources have out performed us.

We could easily have got Maddison and Grealish in one summer for £50 million which would have sorted our midfield for the next 5 years but the vision and will was not there.

 

[Beni]

To be honest I’m optimistic about our future.
We have some promising youngsters that will be ready hopefully for next season in Sessegnon, Skipp with added Tanganga and Rodon, with others like Clarke, White and Cirkin that probably another season away. Then you have Parrott, Devine and Scarlett too.

I genuinely think winning something this season whether it is just the Carabao Cup, can shift this squads mentality massively, and having the right manager to then build on that next season, which Mourinho has done at all the clubs he has previously managed.

The summer transfer window is huge for me, as I think we are only 4 players shy in realistically competing and having that right balance of defensive solidity and explosiveness in attack. A Reguilon equivalent at right back, our own VDK equivalent at centre back, a DM and a right winger. Unfortunately this means selling before buying and that’s always been our problem.
The likes of Lamela, Aurier, Dele, Lucas, Davies, Sanchez, who I think it’s time to move them on, will be difficult to offload. Certainly for what Levy will want and try and get from them aswell and in global pandemic.