Morgan Schneiderlin

Discussion in 'The Summer 2014 Transfer Rumours Archive' started by Chris12, Jun 8, 2014.

  1. Bus-Conductor

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    Yes, @spurs9 did say compare with Sandro's stats last season, but I couldn't find them so just used this season's. Not all his absences this season were injured induced.
     
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    Where did you get the stats for last season ?
     
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    I was using his 2012/13 stats (before he suffered his injury). I was using Squawka as my source and comparing per 90 mins..
     
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    Yes, bang on. I should have been clearer in my initial post.
     
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    I'll donate 20 quid if he signs. Quality player.
     
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    Yep, can certainly see Holtby being Eriksen's backup - more options there to play cute chips over the top and less pressure if he does lose the ball. Definitely not a DLP for me though.

    If we do start the season with 4 essentially first XI CM's and Bentaleb is the 5th, we could also end up in a situation where they actually remain fit. In that case, and possibly anyway, I'd personally like to see Bentaleb on loan to get game time. Again, something I'd review around Christmas and after seeing how injury ridden we are.

    The decision to buy Schneiderlin, for me, comes down to what happens with Sandro. Can he get and remain fit? If so, I'd like to keep him. As previously noted, he's great on and off the pitch, plus we get to reduce the amount of player turn around we're likely to see this summer.

    I'd focus the efforts on replacing one of Paulie or Dembele, as we certainly need a creative in there.
     
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    Schneiderlin is more creative than Dembele. Would be an ideal upgrade on him.

    I'm not sure Scheiderlin could even do the Sandro role, he's more the recycler than the destroyer.
     
  8. SpurSince57

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    But we're talking about an 84%-87% spread for both of them, aren't we? As for the assists, well, Sandro has two in three seasons to Schneiderlin's zero in two, but for DMs goals, chances created ('key pass' in OPTA parlance) and assists are bonuses; neither shines in this respect, but would you really expect them to? Sandro, pro rata, makes more interceptions than Schneiderlin, but that's the problem with Sandro stats; any comparison is by definition pro rata. Schneiderlin has played the equivalent of 66 games in the last two seasons; in the last three, Sandro has played 44.

    Another interesting stat is the points we won last season in the games in which Sandro played more than 45 minutes.
     
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    I like the idea of sending Bentaleb out on loan until Christmas under such a scenario, but given the choice between a full season loan and remaining at the club to play with the academy team with being available to the first team, I'd take the latter any day. I don't feel confident with the options after that four assuming Bentaleb and Carroll go out on loan, and I maintain that I think everyone could be kept happy under such a scheme. Bentaleb is still not in a position to which he could push for a move out anyway IMO despite his run this past winter, and I don't think the club would sell at any price he may be worth given his potential.

    I do think Holtby could be a valuable DLP though if he can learn to develop the long ball tenet to his game. He's quite good at moving forward from deep and positioning himself such that he can make himself available while still disperse from an attacking position to dangerous areas. But I very much like the idea of him splitting time at both DLP and CAM. By my own preference though, not what I think would happen, I'd like to see us explore the option of Banega for that slot. However, I think given what we already have, that it won't happen.

    And I agree, Schneiderlin would only be pursued were Sandro to be the one who departs.
     
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  10. DaSpurs

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    Schneiderlin may not appear as much a "destroyer" as Sandro due to his mobility and drives forward, but his rate of interceptions and tackles per game suggests he would do just fine as the CDM. Conversely, he does not have the numbers suggestive of a DLP. He's excellent at maintaining possession, which pertaining to his transitional play going forward, he more often that not makes the pass before he can get to a position such that he can make an incisive pass or movement.
     
  11. spurs9

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    Here are the defensive stats for Sandro V Morgan (I have also included Holtby's Tottenham stats)
    The reason why I used Sandro's stats for last season and not this season, is because for a variety of reasons (Injuries, fitness & clueless manager) Sandro had a poor season and I was comparing the possible situation when RVP had a tough time after injuries and Arsenal fans forgot how good he could be when fit and wanted to sell him.

    My point about the chances created, assists & key passes was aimed at the people call Schneiderlin "more creative" than Sandro.

    In regards to number of games played, that is a worry, but injuries are something our club has been poor for with many players and it isn't because we keep picking injury prone players, it's the coaching, which hopefully Poch will fix and if he doesn't, then Schneiderlin may well suffer the same problems should we sign him.

    Also, it's is easier to complete more successful passes when you play against a team that is open and trying to attack you than it is to play against a team that parks the bus with 2 banks of 4 closing you down constantly.
     
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    Don't leave us hanging...
     
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    Is he? I have seen nothing to suggest that and Dembele creates more chances and makes more key passes than Schneiderlin does.
     
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    Rule One: Don't ask a question to which you don't know the answer.
     
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    But our 'clueless' manager managed to average just under two points a game and win almost 60% of his games—and that with a lot of injuries, new players struggling with the EPL and an accident-prone defence. Label him an idiot, you have to answer some rather awkward questions about his predecessors, don't you?

    Sandro's ball-winning stats last season were a major improvement on the previous two.
     
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    SpurSince57 said:
    Another interesting stat is the points we won last season in the games in which Sandro played more than 45 minutes.
    Doesn't look good without context:

    Won - 4
    Drew - 2
    Lost - 3

    However the 3 losses were to Man City, Chelsea & Arsenal and I don't believe Schneiderlin, or any other player, in place of Sandro would have made a difference to the outcomes of those games.

    The 2 draws were to Everton (we kept a clean sheet) and Man Utd (Sandro scored).
     
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    I meant clueless in the sense of defense & CM's. He did well at freeing the attack, however depended greatly on the talents of Ade & Eriksen.

    Sandro's ball winning stats were not a major improvement on the year before. Interceptions and clearances increased a lot but ball winning decreased slightly.


    Apps Tackle Int Fouls Clearances Was Dribbled Blk Shots
    22 3.3 3.6 1.5 3.5 0.5 0.4
    17(6) 3.7 1.9 1.2 1 0.3 0.2
    11(8) 3.7 2.2 1.4 1.7 0.6 0.2
     
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    By the way, L'Equipe are saying Wenger is interested in Schneiderlin. I'm not surprised really, he's exactly what they need. The say Wenger is interested in Grenier too, and he's sure to be cheaper IMO so might appeal to the economist in Wenger.
     
  19. Chris12

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    Isn't Grenier more attack-minded though?
     
  20. DaSpurs

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    Arsenal is believed to have pursued Schneiderlin before as a youth, so I wouldn't be surprised if this were true. I agree with you unfortunately, I think he'd be excellent for them in front of their back line.
     

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