Morgan Schneiderlin

[Wheeler Dealer]

Only a few years ago it was;


Ade
Van der vaart
Bale, Sandro, Modric, Lennon

Unfortunately managed by Redknapp

 

[Barry Mead]

Unfortunately managed by Redknapp

I would say it was fortunate that Redknapp managed them, the Bale and Modric he inherited was a lot different than the two players we sold to Real for over £100 mill, come to that Sandro and Ade played their best football for us under Harry. I'm not suggesting that the players didn't have the talent to develop but when Harry arrived Modric wasn't a regular starter and primarily played in an aml role and Bale wasn't getting games, Sandro arrived mid term and needed time to settle

 

[spursfan77]

But its looking like he may go to arsenal so we will have to look elsewhere now.

Yeah it's frustrating as we definitely need to improve central midfield. Them getting him is better than them getting khedira though. In the best of worlds they'd get nobody and we'd get schneiderlin.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I would say it was fortunate that Redknapp managed them, the Bale and Modric he inherited was a lot different than the two players we sold to Real for over £100 mill, come to that Sandro and Ade played their best football for us under Harry. I'm not suggesting that the players didn't have the talent to develop

The Bale who played under Redknapp was a lot different because Redknapp didn't have the intuition to realise exactly what type of player he had. He thought he had a left winger - despite Bale playing well the two times he played him as a striker.

And Bale may have become the player he became sooner if Redknapp hadn't been scared to play him for nearly a year because of his "jinx".

And anyone who saw the work Modric put in for Real in the CL games last season will also realise how little Redknapp was actually getting out of him

but when Harry arrived Modric wasn't a regular starter and primarily played in an aml role and Bale wasn't getting games, Sandro arrived mid term and needed time to settle

This is scurrilous bollocks that until now I have only ever heard that lying prick Redknapp spout. For someone that writes some decent and informative stuff I would really expect better.

Modric started every single game he was fit under Ramos until injured against Villa.Bale also started every game available in that 08-09 season under Ramos, was then dropped by Redknapp and not played for the best part of a year.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Unfortunately managed by Redknapp

Rodgers (and to be fair, managers like Ferguson) have shown what can be achieved with only one or two world class players and a very good peripheral group.

Surely no one still buys into that as good as it got bullshit ?

We were so busy sucking each other off because Bale skanked a shit brazilian right back that we took out eye off the ball.

Looking at that team we had, if we'd had a coach with a brain in charge we would have been challenging for the title not fucking up CL two years running.

 

[dirtyh]

Fuck me, there are some strange cookies in this thread.

That's rich coming from you, you weird bastard

As for schneiderlin, looks a player. Regardless of who plays we need effective players in effective areas of the pitch and he's certainly that.

 

[Mr Pink]

That's rich coming from you, you weird bastard

As for schneiderlin, looks a player. Regardless of who plays we need effective players in effective areas of the pitch and he's certainly that.

Did feel a tad hypocritical tbh lol

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

Not sure if Schneiderlin is that much of an upgrade v's what we already have.. He was OK last year, but can't remember him being exceptional or a real standout player..

 

[dondo]

it seems we must have a lot of avid toulouse followers on sc.

Seems a lot of people on here have too much time on their hands to be watching French football. I get shit from the mrs for watching spurs games and MOTD

 

[spursfan77]

Seems a lot of people on here have too much time on their hands to be watching French football. I get shit from the mrs for watching spurs games and MOTD

Or they play a lot of football manager

 

[Sweech]

The whole Schneiderlin > Khedira debate would seem about as crazy as anyone who would have said Eriksen > Ozil when one was at Ajax and the other was at Real last year. Except we all saw how that played out. Eriksen was arguably a better league player and Ozil ended up a world champion, which does not actually help Arsenal in the least.

 

[Barry Mead]

The Bale who played under Redknapp was a lot different because Redknapp didn't have the intuition to realise exactly what type of player he had. He thought he had a left winger - despite Bale playing well the two times he played him as a striker.

And Bale may have become the player he became sooner if Redknapp hadn't been scared to play him for nearly a year because of his "jinx".

And anyone who saw the work Modric put in for Real in the CL games last season will also realise how little Redknapp was actually getting out of him



This is scurrilous bollocks that until now I have only ever heard that lying prick Redknapp spout. For someone that writes some decent and informative stuff I would really expect better.

Modric started every single game he was fit under Ramos until injured against Villa.Bale also started every game available in that 08-09 season under Ramos, was then dropped by Redknapp and not played for the best part of a year.

Modric played the Sunderland, Chavs and Boro games, got injured against Villa but was back as sub against Barcodes coming on late, then didn't play the Pompey game and was on the bench, played the Wisla game but was subbed, played the Hull and Stoke games but only came on as a sub against Udi. Given the limited number of games I don't think that made him exactly a regular especially given that he was our big summer signing and he was hardly setting the world alight (though that was understandable imo, not being played in a best suited role and needing to adjust)

Bale started the first game as a sub, was subbed against Wigan and Barcodes (cc) didn't play the Pompey game, allowing Benny had injury issues and Bale's limited number of games the previous season, 8 Pl and 1 other, it seems reasonable to suggest he wasn't really a regular for Juande either, especially given the way he started panicking when all the results started going Pete Tong and changing players about, who only knows who he might have picked had he stayed any longer

Now in terms of Bale and Modric, Harry arrived with the team rock bottom, he had to fight a relegation battle and he picked players to win that battle. Bale was still crying every time he was tackled, he was in practically everyones mind a LB, certainly that is where he had made his name both at Soton and for his country. Jol had only played him AML a few early games to get himself familiar with the PL with the protection of YP, he did OK there but then got injured missed quite a lot of games then when Benny was injured he got his chance and did well at LB. When Benny came back Harry didn't want to drop him and gave him an opportunity at left wing which he took with both hands, he thrived, he struggled once he became a double marked man and when Azza was injured so not there to draw a defender and so Harry gave him more freedom in the lw role and ultimately gave him a free role that he thrived in. Modric was tending to get shunted out in a hybrid am/aml role but again at that point he was still adapting and by then the Palacios/Hudd midfield pairing was thriving. But again when an injury to Wilson gave an opportunity Harry gave Luka the chance there and as I recall a lot of fans were still worried at that point if Luka was up to the physical challenge of the role, but like Bale he grabbed his chance with both hands
Harry helped both in their development, the fact is they both ended up hugely better players under Harry than when they started. You can argue that he might have seen things quicker but at the time other players were doing a great job and in the initial games had to be experienced enough and ready enough for a relegation fight
People might knock Harry but facts are both Bale and Modric got hugely better under him, we managed CL for the first time under him and finished 4th 5th and 4th in successive seasons.
People can knock but I think he did a great job

 

[matthew.absurdum]

The whole Schneiderlin > Khedira debate would seem about as crazy as anyone who would have said Eriksen > Ozil when one was at Ajax and the other was at Real last year. Except we all saw how that played out. Eriksen was arguably a better league player and Ozil ended up a world champion, which does not actually help Arsenal in the least.

I think the gap between Eriksen and Ozil is much smaller than the gap between Schneiderlin and Khedira

 

[THFCSPURS19]

@Bus-Conductor - it's time to stop talking about Redknapp now. I strongly disagree with your views but his reign seems so long away now that it's irrelevant. I appreciate you were responding to another post though.

 

[Snarfalicious]

I think the gap between Eriksen and Ozil is much smaller than the gap between Schneiderlin and Khedira

I agree with this. Ozil had the benefit of playing for one of the biggest clubs in the world surrounded by World Class talent. Eriksen on the other hand played in a league that generally is a two-horse race with his side being one of the favorites to win the league. Both came with fantastic production but in Eriken's case more so than Ozil, relative uncertainty to how it might translate. When it was all said and done, I feel that what Eriksen showed was more impressive given his age and the level of play he came from as opposed to Ozil. Add in to that equation that Eriksen is 3 years younger than Ozil and it's hard to argue that the future of Eriksen is incredibly promising.

As for Schneiderlin and Khedira, I feel the debate is rather similar. Schneiderlin playing as a key cog in a lesser side on still a big stage, Khedira being a player of Real Madrid and when healthy, is a pretty special talent. Age should be taken into account (Morgan-24; Khedira-27), as should the injury history of Khedira and then what exactly they bring to the table. I personally think Khedira is the far superior DM if you are looking at them as such. If you're taking into account wanting a midfielder that can function in different roles or in a system that values versatility, it could be a lot closer than some might think.

 

[sammy j]

Modric played the Sunderland, Chavs and Boro games, got injured against Villa but was back as sub against Barcodes coming on late, then didn't play the Pompey game and was on the bench, played the Wisla game but was subbed, played the Hull and Stoke games but only came on as a sub against Udi. Given the limited number of games I don't think that made him exactly a regular especially given that he was our big summer signing and he was hardly setting the world alight (though that was understandable imo, not being played in a best suited role and needing to adjust)

Bale started the first game as a sub, was subbed against Wigan and Barcodes (cc) didn't play the Pompey game, allowing Benny had injury issues and Bale's limited number of games the previous season, 8 Pl and 1 other, it seems reasonable to suggest he wasn't really a regular for Juande either, especially given the way he started panicking when all the results started going Pete Tong and changing players about, who only knows who he might have picked had he stayed any longer

Now in terms of Bale and Modric, Harry arrived with the team rock bottom, he had to fight a relegation battle and he picked players to win that battle. Bale was still crying every time he was tackled, he was in practically everyones mind a LB, certainly that is where he had made his name both at Soton and for his country. Jol had only played him AML a few early games to get himself familiar with the PL with the protection of YP, he did OK there but then got injured missed quite a lot of games then when Benny was injured he got his chance and did well at LB. When Benny came back Harry didn't want to drop him and gave him an opportunity at left wing which he took with both hands, he thrived, he struggled once he became a double marked man and when Azza was injured so not there to draw a defender and so Harry gave him more freedom in the lw role and ultimately gave him a free role that he thrived in. Modric was tending to get shunted out in a hybrid am/aml role but again at that point he was still adapting and by then the Palacios/Hudd midfield pairing was thriving. But again when an injury to Wilson gave an opportunity Harry gave Luka the chance there and as I recall a lot of fans were still worried at that point if Luka was up to the physical challenge of the role, but like Bale he grabbed his chance with both hands
Harry helped both in their development, the fact is they both ended up hugely better players under Harry than when they started. You can argue that he might have seen things quicker but at the time other players were doing a great job and in the initial games had to be experienced enough and ready enough for a relegation fight
People might knock Harry but facts are both Bale and Modric got hugely better under him, we managed CL for the first time under him and finished 4th 5th and 4th in successive seasons.
People can knock but I think he did a great job

respect to you mate but you cannot be married

 

[Barry Mead]

respect to you mate but you cannot be married

don't tell the wife that

 

[Franchise60]

The Bale who played under Redknapp was a lot different because Redknapp didn't have the intuition to realise exactly what type of player he had. He thought he had a left winger - despite Bale playing well the two times he played him as a striker.

Holy hell talk about rewriting history.

Redknapp is the one who started moving bale around and giving him a free role or playing him from the right.

Lots of fans SLATED him for this, wanting Bale to stay on the touch line and chanting about him being a left winger.

There are a lot of ways to knock Redknapp without completely reinventing history.

 

[ClintEastwould]

Not sure if Schneiderlin is that much of an upgrade v's what we already have.. He was OK last year, but can't remember him being exceptional or a real standout player..

 

[kernowspurscoach1977]

What inam struggling to understand with all of this is Liverpool and us are trying to prise al of southamptons players away from them. Does anyone here think that if Southampton had kept all of their players and I mean all, they would be challenging for top 4? I don't so how can Liverpool signing llanana, lambert, lovren, improve them As a team? If they signed them from a team level or above them, then maybe! A team that finishes bottom half then mid table, generally does so because their players are at that level. Granted you may get one or two players who will end up superstars like shaw but it's like everyone thinks the whole team are amazing. I think they have decent players with one or two having potential at being world beaters- but only potential! Shaw might end up like a nani- new Ronaldo off the production line never quite makes it. Lambert is very average. Lalana is average, lovrens ok.