Most over-rated player?

[Kendall]

Kendall, are you talking about when they beat Roma 7-0 in the CL?
And yes he scored in the CL Final, played well for half an hour and then where was he? Would you really call Sporting a top team, as in a team who can challenge for the CL? That is what I am talking about when I saya top team, a team that can win the CL, a team that has the credentials to be a great team. Also, if Ronaldo is so great, how can you say that Carrick is their best midfielder?

Im not saying that any of those players are not good by the way, all im saying is that there is better players out there than them at the moment.

For instance, Messi is the best player in the world IMO, because he gives his all in every match, and yes, I have seen him play well against big teams, because I support Barca in La Liga. Kaka is another player who IMO is a world class player. Both these players are true professionals, they dont dive, or cheat, you never see them moan, they dont give out.
Ronaldo on the other hand is a cheat, who dives(you've all seen it) and moans at the referee.

I was talking CM, among players like Anderson, Hargreaves and Scholes.

Ronaldo - I was talking about the quarter finals THIS year. But you make a good point about the 7-1 roma game a couple of years ago.

If Messi is better why was Ronaldo voted the best player? why wasn't Messi? It's funny that Messi's Barcelona couldn't beat Ronaldo's united...

Messi is world class, but just because you think he's better, does that make Ronaldo overrated? or does it just mean that Messi and Ronaldo are two amazing players, two of the best to have played the game?

I think that you like Messi so much that it clouds your judgement of Ronaldo, why have you brought Messi into it anyway? we're not talking about who is the best in the world, we're talking about overrated players and Ronaldo won the best player in the CKL last year and rightly so, United wouldn't have won it without his goals.

 

[Coyboy]

Guys, when I say that Gerrard and Lampard are average technically, I mean that they look average compared to the technically best players, i.e. to players like Zidane, Ronaldinho, Messi, Kaka, Ronaldo (and Hoddle and Waddle, if you want...) Compared to most British players, they look gifted...no doubt about that. So, much depends on the reference point. For me, their first touch and close ball controll are not what make them superior to other good midfielders.

Then that's not unimpressive or average is it? Just because you are not in the top one percentile at something hardly makes you 'average' or 'unimpressive'. And I think someone above makes a good point about Messi, could he have scored the goal Gerrard did last night, or against Marseille, or against Olympiakos, or against West Ham, or against United a few years back in the Carling Cup final.

If Gerrard were Spanish or Argentinian, Anglophobes like you would be loving him but because he is English he is nothing more than inspirational and passionate.

What rubbish you spout.

 

[spurs mental]

I was talking CM, among players like Anderson, Hargreaves and Scholes.

Ronaldo - I was talking about the quarter finals THIS year. But you make a good point about the 7-1 roma game a couple of years ago.

If Messi is better why was Ronaldo voted the best player? why wasn't Messi? It's funny that Messi's Barcelona couldn't beat Ronaldo's united...

Messi is world class, but just because you think he's better, does that make Ronaldo overrated? or does it just mean that Messi and Ronaldo are two amazing players, two of the best to have played the game?

I think that you like Messi so much that it clouds your judgement of Ronaldo, why have you brought Messi into it anyway? we're not talking about who is the best in the world, we're talking about overrated players and Ronaldo won the best player in the CKL last year and rightly so, United wouldn't have won it without his goals.

Ok fair point mate. Carrick is a good CM, but we got good business getting 18mil outta United at the same time.

I only brought in Messi because people say that Ronaldo is the best in the world, and everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I was just expressing my view that Messi is better than Ronaldo. Messi outplayed Ronaldo in the CL games both times. Ronaldo, if I remember correctly missed a penalty. I know every player misses penalties but, would he have missed if it was not such a big occassion?

And no, United would not have won the CL without Ronaldo's goals, but one player does not make a team, as it looks like Ronaldo sometimes thinks. I know Ronaldo is a good player, but hes not the best.

IMO Kaka and Messi are better. But thats just my opinion. Everyones is different.

 

[General Levy]

IMO Kaka and Messi are better. But thats just my opinion. Everyones is different.

ok, lets have a discussion about this.

Why do you think Messi is a better footballer than C Ronaldo? I know it is your opinion, but what technical attributes does Messi haves that are better than Ronaldo's?

Same with Kaka?

IMO and I will break it down to you after you've replied, it is: Ronaldo>Kaka>Messi

 

[Rocksuperstar]

Sorry, thought it pains me to say it, Christiano Ronaldo is the best in the world right now and, far from overrated, i don't think it's actually possible to rate him too highly. The potential he shows, even now, is endless, he just seems to continually find new ways to up his game.

Yeah, he has the odd slump but with that comes an apparent resolute attitude to right that mistake, to not get himself weighed down with it and simply improve his game so he won't make that mistake again.

Don't get me wrong, as a youngster he drove me mad with all the play acting but i will tip my cap to the lad - out-cocking-standing footballer.

I'd still push him second behind Gazza, but that's not to take anything from him, that's jus' cos i idolised Gazza.

 

[Kendall]

the other year after United beat Roma 7-1, United played Milan in the semi and Kaka demonstrated just why he was the best in the world that year. Ronaldo came back last year and in my opinion, was consistently the best player in the world by a long way. Messi clearly has great attributes, but does he do it ever week? no, he doesn't. Ronaldo actually does.

 

[Rackybear]

Carrick is underated - the guy is pure class and goes un-noticed in most games unless he scores a goal or makes an assist or two, he does his job very well in every game and is the type of player that will never score less then a 7 out of 10 in a match, but could easily score an 8 or a 9 in most games. His presence in midfield is enough to help any team that he plays in - but you will not notice that until you take him out of a team and realise how much he meant when he was in it (look at spurs defence now..)

Ronaldo is not overated, he gets the praise he deserves 95% of the time.

Adebayor is not overated, he scores goals at the end of the day and is a great target man, dont be bitter just because he plays for arsenal.

Robben is a pretty damn good left winger, I dont understand why you would class him as overated anyway, its not like pundits or anyone are bragging about him in the first place...

 

[AdelaideSpur]

Messi is my favourite player, he seems to skip past players at ease, its amazing to watch, but the fact is he cant shoot for shit and his passing isn't the best, so to put him up as some do as the best player in the world, I think thats over rating him.

 

[mil1lion]

Heres another one actually. Nicolas Anelka. Good player but not great. Yet he has played for Arsenal, Liverpool and now Chelsea. I think he found his level with City and Bolton.

 

[mil1lion]

Messi is my favourite player, he seems to skip past players at ease, its amazing to watch, but the fact is he cant shoot for shit and his passing isn't the best, so to put him up as some do as the best player in the world, I think thats over rating him.

How can you say Messi cant shoot for sh*t? He's one of Barcas best goalscorers now. He doesn't score many from range though. He isn't that type of scorer. But inside the box he is one of the most clinical, and composed finishers in Europe. As you say, he skips past people with ease, but he has great pace and strength with it too. And the fact that he maintains that skill on the ball at such speeds makes him a great player to watch. And his passing is good. He isn't a long range passer but he's very clever, picks clever balls in and around the box and is very quick at finding his team mates. He's perfect for the formation Barca use as he's like an old fashioned number 10. He has the qualities of a striker in the box but is great when he plays with the freedom to drop off, switch wings and come into the centre. I think he'll become the best player in the world in the next few years by a clear distance. And i think he'll be right up there with Maradona and Pele in the history books. Right now i think he's up there with the very best though. Aswell is Aguero.

 

[mil1lion]

Ronaldo is the most all-round gifted player in the world right now. By that i mean he can pretty much do everything, and do it great. He's good with both feet, quick, strong, skillful, got a great shot on him, great passer, great technique, scores in the box and out of the box, good at set-pieces and scores with his head. He is the complete player. If you had 3 of Ronaldo playing in a 4-3-3 then you would have the most complete strikeforce in Europe. I just wish he didn't dive, because he doesn't need to. I wish he wasn't so arrogant. I wish he didn't play for Utd. And i wish he wasn't a complete prick. If it wasn't for those, i think i'd probably like him.

 

[donny1013]

the other year after United beat Roma 7-1, United played Milan in the semi and Kaka demonstrated just why he was the best in the world that year. Ronaldo came back last year and in my opinion, was consistently the best player in the world by a long way. Messi clearly has great attributes, but does he do it ever week? no, he doesn't. Ronaldo actually does.

When fit, which for the most part of last season Messi was not then he is very consistent but doesn't get the goals that Ronaldo does. Last season C Ron was the best in the world but i think come the end of this if Messi stays injury free he will be the best. Neither player are over rated though

 

[General Levy]

Messi is overated imo. Even saying that he is as good as C Ronaldo is an exaggeration. ;-)

 

[spurs mental]

Jesus im gettin an awful lot of stick for just expressing my opinion on here. Chillax dudes

 

[Sputic]

Sorry to bring this up again, but Gerrard is indeed overrated, even though I don't agree with those who say he has a bad technique.

The reason he is overrated is because although he is fantastic when he plays as a pure out and out AM, he is average at best when he plays CM, and yet he is rated as world class in that position.

The guy has no discipline or tactical awareness, he just roams where he likes. Which is why he is so dangerous as an AM, but makes him a liability at CM. Take the scene of his great triumph CL final in 2005. Even if you were to agree that he singlehandedly won that game for Liverpool (and I don't by the way, Milan imploded mentally for 15 mins and Liverpool took advantage), that was after they had switched to a 5 man midfield, freeing him of any responsibility. In the first half, when he played at CM in a 4-4-2, they got ripped to shreds through there, partly cos Gerrard didn't know what he was doing.

And the FA Cup final v West Ham? I admit that he won them that final, two great goals and an assist. But he also got totally dominated in midfield for 115 out of 120 minutes by Reo-Coker and Haydn Mullins. And those performances come along more often than the goals do.

Add on the fact he's a complete egomaniac who couldn't give a damn about the team as long as he gets what he wants (witness his massive sulks whenever he gets played on the right or left), and he is as much part of the problem as he is the solution for Liverpool and England.

I'd rather have Fat Frank or Ballack in my team any day of the week. Far better all round footballers. And Carrick pisses on them all.

Sorry for the length of the post, I wouldn't have bothered at all if some fool hadn't claimed Stevie Me was better than Hoddle earlier in the thread.

 

[Sputic]

Also, Ibrahimovic and Totti are most certainly not overrated. Especially Totti.

Mikel is not overrated. Diarra is. Lampard and Ballack are underrated if anything.

Terry however, is. As is Gattuso. And Recoba (great left foot, but a wastrel), and Berbatov. And both Defoe and Huddlestone are overrated. And Crouch too (flat-track bully). Denilson at arsenal is waaaaaaaaaaay overrated.

Ashley Cole is not overrated. He's just not as good as he was before he had the bad injury at Arsenal ( ruptured arsehole or something). But he's become a very solid fullback for the most part.

Freddie Ljunberg was overrated. As is Dean Ashton now.

Raul is overrated now by the Madrid press, but was the real deal until a few years ago.

There are loads of overrated goalkeepers. Green, Friedel, Kirkland and Howard are all ok, but not as good as is claimed. Sorenson and Schwarzer are awful.

 

[Bristol Coys]

Rio.
But I am in a minority of 1 (even after the Everton game)
Would not have got near the England team if Ledley King had been fit.

 

[joey55]

Essien. He's a very good player, but alot of people put him in their Prem best XI's and even world XI's. I'd love to see a list of the number of top class performances people think he's put in in the last 18 months. When was the last time anyone watched Chelsea and thought Essien was world class? Ask any Chelsea manager or fan who is the better player out of him in Lampard and Lampard would win by a landslide. Ask neutral fans, who tend to hate Lampard, and they'd all say Essien. Yet Lampard puts in top class performances week in week out.

 

[mitch8the8spur]

Ronaldo is the most all-round gifted player in the world right now. By that i mean he can pretty much do everything, and do it great. He's good with both feet, quick, strong, skillful, got a great shot on him, great passer, great technique, scores in the box and out of the box, good at set-pieces and scores with his head. He is the complete player. If you had 3 of Ronaldo playing in a 4-3-3 then you would have the most complete strikeforce in Europe. I just wish he didn't dive, because he doesn't need to. I wish he wasn't so arrogant. I wish he didn't play for Utd. And i wish he wasn't a complete prick. If it wasn't for those, i think i'd probably like him.

Can he tackle? :shrug:

 

[General Levy]

Rio.
But I am in a minority of 1 (even after the Everton game)
Would not have got near the England team if Ledley King had been fit.

But whenever King and Rio were fit at the same time, Rio will always be picked first.