Moussa Sissoko

[Sweetsman]

This thread has got a bit weird.

Well, I made a comment at Yankspurs based on something he said on another thread, but I may have got my wires crossed. I think the negative comment about Trump - it's a throwaway comment - has really wound some people up; Trump supporters, I guess, especially if your forum name has Texas in it. I often think the moniker "The Lone Star State" refers to academic achievements at school.

 

[Gb160]

So you don’t rate him but take issue with me criticising him?

I suppose I’d disagree with you that he can “do a job” maybe 1 game in every 10, perhaps

Like I said I think Poch is only playing him out of necessity at the moment and I don’t think it’s been any secret that we’re looking to strengthen in his area and if it wasn’t for the wages point that you and others have raised he’d be out of the club pretty damn quick come the summer.

I never thought he’d be going anywhere this month.

You're not just disagreeing with me though (I know sweet fa btw), you're disagreeing with a very qualified coach.
You have absolutely no idea why Poch is playing him, you're just presuming to suit your bias.

 

[Sweetsman]

So are you telling me that Poch plays Sissoko over 100% fit Dembele (shit even an 80% fit Dembele?) likewise with Winks.

Well, at one point Dembélé was going to get the heave-ho. He's struggling with injuries and hasn't been his imperious self. It appears that Poch is preferring him, which is the objective conclusion as opposed to your wishful thinking.

 

[E17yid]

You're not just disagreeing with me though (I know sweet fa btw) ,you're disagreeing with a very qualified coach.
You have absolutely no idea why Poch is playing him, you're just presuming to suit your bias.

True in part but we know what Poch thinks about Dembele as a player don’t we. He’s been very vocal about that. We also know what the players think about Dembele. He’s spoken in glowing terms about Winks potential too and we know he likes an academy product so while you’re right we don’t know I don’t think it’s a stretch to say that if it was not for the unlucky series of injuries in that position that we wouldn’t be playing Sissoko as much, if at all.

 

[Gb160]

True in part but we know what Poch thinks about Dembele as a player don’t we. He’s been very vocal about that. We also know what the players think about Dembele. He’s spoken in glowing terms about Winks potential too and we know he likes an academy product so while you’re right we don’t know I don’t think it’s a stretch to say that if it was not for the unlucky series of injuries in that position that we wouldn’t be playing Sissoko as much, if at all.

You have to ready yourself for the fact, and I know this won't be received well, that maybe we won't get to see that Dembele much, if at all.
Winks is the future, no doubt, but he's still very young, will go through dips in form, and is bound to pick up the occasional injury.

 

[E17yid]

Well, at one point Dembélé was going to get the heave-ho. He's struggling with injuries and hasn't been his imperious self. It appears that Poch is preferring him, which is the objective conclusion as opposed to your wishful thinking.

At what point are you talking about? Now? If so then yes, which is what I’m saying. It’s more down to necessity.

 

[Sweetsman]

At what point are you talking about? Now? If so then yes, which is what I’m saying. It’s more down to necessity.

Am I talking about now?! Jesus wept!

 

[E17yid]

You have to ready yourself for the fact, and I know this won't be received well, that maybe we won't get to see that Dembele much, if at all.
Winks is the future, no doubt, but he's still very young, will go through dips in form, and is bound to pick up the occasional injury.

No doubt. I think Dembele is almost in a Ledley type situation (last year or 2) whereby he can literally only play about a dozen games per year, at best, and has to be carefully managed.

I also agree re Winks and would much rather persist with him through any dips in form than wait for that 1 game in 10 where Sissoko actually puts in a 7/10 performance.

 

[Sweetsman]

You have to ready yourself for the fact, and I know this won't be received well, that maybe we won't get to see that Dembele much, if at all.
Winks is the future, no doubt, but he's still very young, will go through dips in form, and is bound to pick up the occasional injury.

Frankly, I'm concerned about Winks' injury.

 

[E17yid]

Am I talking about now?! Jesus wept!

You said well at one point Dembele was going to get the heave ho. I
Must’ve missed that one.

 

[Sweetsman]

Unfortunately, you're bang on. I would love to get rid of him but it's just not going to happen unless we agree to not only take a massive loss on the transfer fee but also agree to pay the vast majority of his wages for the next few years. In which case we may as well just keep him around to make up the numbers when needed. It's not ideal but we've snookered ourselves completely with this one I'm afraid.

What is the C in your insignia?

 

[Sweetsman]

You said well at one point Dembele was going to get the heave ho. I
Must’ve missed that one.

Yes, I did, and the reason for that was that we despaired of Dembele, too. Yet, he has prospered. I've noticed that Sissoko has improved of late. What annoys me intensely is that people are unfair in that they have a collective fit every time he does something wrong, and they're not prepared to give him any compliments. It's Lamela all over again. Obviously, my mention of Trump pushed some lemmings over the edge, but I don't know why.

 

[E17yid]

Yes, I did, and the reason for that was that we despaired of Dembele, too. Yet, he has prospered. I've noticed that Sissoko has improved of late. What annoys me intensely is that people are unfair in that they have a collective fit every time he does something wrong, and they're not prepared to give him any compliments. It's Lamela all over again. Obviously, my mention of Trump pushed some lemmings over the edge, but I don't know why.

Did we? Maybe you did but I didn’t.

You’re acting like Sissoko divides opinion. He doesn’t. I’m sure if you gave most fans the option of 100% getting rid of him in the summer then the vast majority would want rid. I think most would now if we could get a decent replacement.

It’s nothing like Lamela. Lamela divides opinion but it was clear to a lot of people what he gave us and you could see that in his stats or just watching the games.

 

[Gb160]

Did we? Maybe you did but I didn’t.

You’re acting like Sissoko divides opinion. He doesn’t. I’m sure if you gave most fans the option of 100% getting rid of him in the summer then the vast majority would want rid. I think most would now if we could get a decent replacement.

It’s nothing like Lamela. Lamela divides opinion but it was clear to a lot of people what he gave us and you could see that in his stats or just watching the games.

What fans think isn't important, generally speaking they haven't really got a clue.

 

[E17yid]

What fans think isn't important, generally speaking they haven't really got a clue.

True true. Am I in the right place to air these views or should I put it an email to Poch?

I take it you think that never in the history of football a qualified coach, at any level, has made any kind of mistake, then

Again, for the record, I think Poch is playing him coz he has to, not because he wants to and i don’t think he’ll be telling Levy to ignore all offers in the summer but yeah I genuinely concede that I know fuck all.

 

[Sweetsman]

True true. Am I in the right place to air these views or should I put it an email to Poch?

I take it you think that never in the history of football a qualified coach, at any level, has made any kind of mistake, then

Again, for the record, I think Poch is playing him coz he has to, not because he wants to and i don’t think he’ll be telling Levy to ignore all offers in the summer but yeah I genuinely concede that I know fuck all.

Your contention doesn't hold, because he hasn't done that with other players and admitted that Sissoko could have been sold in the summer. Poch has appreciated Sissoko's application and clearly trusts him.

 

[Gb160]

True true. Am I in the right place to air these views or should I put it an email to Poch?

I take it you think that never in the history of football a qualified coach, at any level, has made any kind of mistake, then

Again, for the record, I think Poch is playing him coz he has to, not because he wants to and i don’t think he’ll be telling Levy to ignore all offers in the summer but yeah I genuinely concede that I don’t know fuck all.

This is the exact place to air your opinions mate, coincidentally it's also where people are allowed to dismiss said opinions.
Not sure why you have such a problem with that concept.

Course Poch makes mistakes, just not sure he's making the same mistake over and over and over again, every time he puts Sissoko on the field.
Maybe you should email Poch, he'll probably kick himself for not noticing your findings.

 

[Sweetsman]

Did we? Maybe you did but I didn’t.

You’re acting like Sissoko divides opinion. He doesn’t. I’m sure if you gave most fans the option of 100% getting rid of him in the summer then the vast majority would want rid. I think most would now if we could get a decent replacement.

It’s nothing like Lamela. Lamela divides opinion but it was clear to a lot of people what he gave us and you could see that in his stats or just watching the games.

The two bits in bold contradict each other: if only most fans want him gone, then clearly he does divide opinion.

 

[E17yid]

Your contention doesn't hold, because he hasn't done that with other players and admitted that Sissoko could have been sold in the summer. Poch has appreciated Sissoko's application and clearly trusts him.

Tbf, I should’ve said he’d be playing him a lot less if Dembele and Winks were 100%

Anyway we’ve been here before and we’re just going round in circles. You obviously think Poch loves him and he’ll be at Spurs for the rest of his career and you won’t find a single link in the summer nor a single piece of ITK that will suggest otherwise.

 

[Sweetsman]

Tbf, I should’ve said he’d be playing him a lot less if Dembele and Winks were 100%

Anyway we’ve been here before and we’re just going round in circles. You obviously think Poch loves him and he’ll be at Spurs for the rest of his career and you won’t find a single link in the summer nor a single piece of ITK that will suggest otherwise.

You must have a whole field of straw to make up those men. When someone says obviously, it usually means they've missed the point.