New Stadium Details And Discussions

[shelfmonkey]

If we are looking at other architects could we try Zaha Hadid? The Japanese national stadium is gorgeous.

Looks like one of those sac things you see amongst the seaweed!!!

 

[worcestersauce]

If we are looking at other architects could we try Zaha Hadid? The Japanese national stadium is gorgeous.

Anyone remember the Flight of the Navigator.

 

[Achap]

Looks like one of those sac things you see amongst the seaweed!!!

Her architecture and designs are usually very organic.

If Mother Nature could sue for copyright....

 

[Spurs in Belgium]

If we are looking at other architects could we try Zaha Hadid? The Japanese national stadium is gorgeous.

Looks like a cycle helmet to me!

 

[Spur-of-the-moment]

Reminds me of Santiago Calatrava's work, the organic arcs of the stations at Liège or Lyon, which are astonishing to 'experience'. All this kind of thing has long been possible through CAD, of course. Old news.

 

[BehindEnemyLines]

More like a giant cycle helmet.

 

[Spursidol]

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/mayor/mayors-25m-rail-sweetener-8645571.html?origin=internalSearch

Mayor’s £25m rail 'sweetener'
05 June 2013



Boris Johnson has announced £25 million for improvements to the West Anglian rail line, amid claims that the cash is a “sweetener” to help persuade ministers to back his bid to take over the franchise.

The Mayor said the cash would help provide extra services at Northumberland Park and Tottenham Hale and improve links to London, but there were suggestions that the money would show how committed he was to the West Anglian routes.
Mr Johnson has admitted that negotiations with the Department for Transport to take over suburban routes have not been going well.

Green London Assembly member Darren Johnson said: “I know Boris has been having a hard time negotiating so probably this is an attempt at a sweetener.”

Looks like some funding to benefit NDP transport issues....

A bit more on the same story.

Tottenham rail routes in line for £25m investment - Travel - Tottenham Journal

A £25million investment into rail routes in Tottenham is a step closer after London business and council leaders backed plans to increase train services. The London Enterprise Panel yesterday recommended the scheme, which would boost frequency through Northumberland Park and Tottenham Hale from one to four trains per hour, should be approved by the Mayor of London.

The project could be part of a wider £72m upgrade of the West Anglia line, improving rail links between a regenerated Tottenham and Stratford, the Upper Lee Valley and Stansted Airport. Haringey Council say they are committed to the major regeneration of Tottenham, with better transport links in the east supporting the thousands of new homes, jobs and leisure destinations set to be created in the area.

Councillor Alan Strickland, cabinet member for regeneration, said: “I’m delighted that Tottenham’s rail revolution is a step closer with this backing from the London Enterprise Panel. Increasing services to four trains an hour at Northumberland Park and Tottenham Hale is crucial to connect our residents to more job opportunities, and is central to our ambitions to make Tottenham a destination for London. We’re excited that business and political leaders from across the capital also see the potential in Tottenham and share our vision for this once-in-a-generation opportunity.”

Under the proposals, submitted by the North London Strategic Alliance – a partnership of north London councils and organisations – a new track would be created between Tottenham Hale and an improved Angel Road in Enfield, allowing for four trains an hour between the two stations. These would be in addition to the already-agreed Network Rail project to upgrade the line from Tottenham Hale to Stratford, including the reopening of Lea Bridge Station in Waltham Forest.

If approved by the Mayor of London, it would bring the total package of funding for rail improvements in Tottenham to nearly £100m. Such improvements are seen as essential to supporting the creation of up to 10,000 new high-quality homes and 5,000 new jobs in the area by 2025.

Work is underway improve access to Tottenham Hale by restoring the one-way system to two-way traffic, while the station’s upgrade next year will prepare it for the proposed Crossrail 2 project and better links to Stansted. The next stage of approval for the £25m project is further assessment by the Greater London Authority’s Investment and Performance Board before final agreement by the Mayor of London.

Already approved by Mayor of course.

 

[Lilbaz]

They didn't need to spend £100m on transport improvements. They could have just gave me a £million and I'd have got a taxi.

 

[theShiznit]

Looks like a cycle helmet to me!

It's a giant robot...

You wait till pacific rim comes out and the day before, that things pops up and goes; Biddy biddy biddy...

 

[Mister Jez]

That is probably one of the ugliest stadiums I have ever seen, it is truly hideous.........

 

[Lilbaz]

Over on skscrapercity the guy from kss confirmed that they had revised the capacity of the stadium up to 61k before populous were brought in. Sorry cant quote as i'm on my phone. But it looks like we're going large :-D.

 

[Angel Eyes]

Looks like a cycle helmet to me!

If we are looking at other architects could we try Zaha Hadid? The Japanese national stadium is gorgeous.

which one is it ? I can see 3

my mistake, I can just make it out behind the Romulan war ship.

 

[Hoopspur]

Over on skscrapercity the guy from kss confirmed that they had revised the capacity of the stadium up to 61k before populous were brought in. Sorry cant quote as i'm on my phone. But it looks like we're going large :-D.

Edmonton (I think) over on COYS has always maintained the stadium would be over 60k. If it was not him then someone else much closer to this than most of us.

 

[chrissivad]

Over on skscrapercity the guy from kss confirmed that they had revised the capacity of the stadium up to 61k before populous were brought in. Sorry cant quote as i'm on my phone. But it looks like we're going large :-D.

here is the quote:

Reply from KSS to an email

I agree, especially as we had revised the design to achieve 61,000. Difficult to accept when we have put so much effort into designing a stadium which, as a Spurs fan, i thought reflected the best of our heritage!

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

here is the quote:

Reply from KSS to an email

See, this is what's puzzling me. Are we now going to have somebody else do a completely new/different stadium design? If so, would that not affect the planning application? Also, how much would we have spent (and ultimately wasted, I guess?) on the designs for the NDP, that we've all grown to love?

 

[Bobbins]

Quite strange that we've still heard nothing even slightly official about this. Presumably we're still all in the dark as to whether this is a good or bad thing?

 

[Spursidol]

See, this is what's puzzling me. Are we now going to have somebody else do a completely new/different stadium design? If so, would that not affect the planning application? Also, how much would we have spent (and ultimately wasted, I guess?) on the designs for the NDP, that we've all grown to love?

I cannot see a complete stadium re-design as that would mean tearing up all the work that KSS - and Levy and the internal Spurs team - have spent millions of hours developing at a cost of tens of millions.

Any completely new stadium design would take milliions of pounds.

It would, as you say., also require a new planning application - and although Harringay are much more on side than they ever have been (and the NPD is now just a smaller part of the Tottenham redevelopment) so it should be a faster process to get changes agreed than ever before....but a brand new stadium design would take time.

Populous is probably the world leader in stadium design, so I don't buy the argument that they will be dramatically slashing the costs by reducing the quality of the product (and in January Daniel Levy wrote in the Chairman's statement accompanying the Annual report that "We intend to deliver this (the stadium) to the same high standards of the new training centre and to reward our incredibly loyal supporters with a world class stadium" - and the training ground everyone agrees is a phenominal quality product with almost no expense spared )

I have been very keenly watching moves on the stadium access (both the stadium way and transport links) as that has clearly been one of the constraints on stadium capacity - and its clear that both srtadium access and transport links are being improved as part of the wider regeneration of Toteenham.

I wonder iof the change from KSS to Populous is simply that most of the contractors in the proposed tender felt it would be easier to work with the world leader in stadium design (Populous) who will know the best ways to slightly increase stadium capacity and otherwise tweak the overall design, msaybe slightly reducing costs without reducing quality. In other words the change is the precurser to the cionstruction going out to tender.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

I cannot see a complete stadium re-design as that would mean tearing up all the work that KSS - and Levy and the internal Spurs team - have spent millions of hours developing at a cost of tens of millions.

Any completely new stadium design would take milliions of pounds.

It would, as you say., also require a new planning application - and although Harringay are much more on side than they ever have been (and the NPD is now just a smaller part of the Tottenham redevelopment) so it should be a faster process to get changes agreed than ever before....but a brand new stadium design would take time.

Populous is probably the world leader in stadium design, so I don't buy the argument that they will be dramatically slashing the costs by reducing the quality of the product (and in January Daniel Levy wrote in the Chairman's statement accompanying the Annual report that "We intend to deliver this (the stadium) to the same high standards of the new training centre and to reward our incredibly loyal supporters with a world class stadium" - and that everyone agrees is a phenominal quality product with almost no expense spared )

I have been very keenly watching moves on the stadium access (both the stadium way and transport links) as that has clearly been one of the constraints on stadium capacity - and its clear that both srtadium access and transport links are being improved as part of the wider regeneration of Toteenham.

I wonder iof the change from KSS to Populous is simply that most of the contractors in the proposed tender felt it would be easier to work with the world leader in stadium design (Populous) who will know the best ways to slightly increase stadium capacity and otherwise tweak the overall design, msaybe slightly reducing costs without reducing quality. In other words the change is the precurser to the cionstruction going out to tender.

Thanks Spursidol. I was hoping you'd be one of the people to respond to my post (you seem to be the most active & hprovide the most info on this particular topic). You pretty much confirm what I was thinking, ie the fact that it would have cost vast amounts of money to get the original designs etc. Though I guess we've, sort of, still wasted lots of money (millions?) because we've basically paid the KSS to give us something that is ultimately not going to be used?

Is it 'confirmed' that Populous are now taking over the project? Sorry for the questions, I just remember info on here that suggested that KSS is still a possibility, ie 'Plan B'..

 

[Spursidol]

Thanks Spursidol. I was hoping you'd be one of the people to respond to my post (you seem to be the most active & hprovide the most info on this particular topic). You pretty much confirm what I was thinking, ie the fact that it would have cost vast amounts of money to get the original designs etc. Though I guess we've, sort of, still wasted lots of money (millions?) because we've basically paid the KSS to give us something that is ultimately not going to be used?

Is it 'confirmed' that Populous are now taking over the project? Sorry for the questions, I just remember info on here that suggested that KSS is still a possibility, ie 'Plan B'..

I've seen emails from people who seem to be working for KSS confirming that their work has now come to an end and that Populous has been engaged - but nothing official from anybody.

I cannot see the KSS design being completely trashed, but I can see it being refined (and KSS will already have had to do many many refinements to their plans to get to this stage), but for what is unclear - if KSS have got the capacity to 61,000 I';m not sure if a 70,000 stadium could be filled week in week out so a 65,000 stadium might be the largest that Spurs might want to go with. The cost reduction argument ? - no, costs may be tweaked - Spurs will not risk getting a cheap ugly stadium, Levy will want it to stand with the best in the UK, which in turn will make it more appealinmg to a corporate naming rights sponsor (if you are sponsoring it fir £15m pa do you want an iconic stadium or a cheap one associated with youyr name ?)

I wonder if at the end of the day its that from all points of view, Levy, building cintractors, naming rights sponsor etc everyone felt more comfortable with the architect being named as the world leader in stadium design - so they have taken over the project for the final tweaks ?

If there is a definite reason for KSS being changed out, I suspect it will surface at some time, but right now nobody seems to be able to put forward any suggestions that can take any level of scrutiny.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

I've seen emails from people who seem to be working for KSS confirming that their work has now come to an end and that Populous has been engaged - but nothing official from anybody.

I cannot see the KSS design being completely trashed, but I can see it being refined (and KSS will already have had to do many many refinements to their plans to get to this stage), but for what is unclear - if KSS have got the capacity to 61,000 I';m not sure if a 70,000 stadium could be filled week in week out so a 65,000 stadium might be the largest that Spurs might want to go with. The cost reduction argument ? - no, costs may be tweaked - Spurs will not risk getting a cheap ugly stadium, Levy will want it to stand with the best in the UK, which in turn will make it more appealinmg to a corporate naming rights sponsor (if you are sponsoring it fir £15m pa do you want an iconic stadium or a cheap one associated with youyr name ?)

I wonder if at the end of the day its that from all points of view, Levy, building cintractors, naming rights sponsor etc everyone felt more comfortable with the architect being named as the world leader in stadium design - so they have taken over the project for the final tweaks ?

If there is a definite reason for KSS being changed out, I suspect it will surface at some time, but right now nobody seems to be able to put forward any suggestions that can take any level of scrutiny.

Thanks again mate. I've been keeping a close eye on this particular subject, and will continue to do so. Like everybody else, I just wish we could have something definitive & finally have that first brick laid!!