New Stadium Details And Discussions

[davidmatzdorf]

From that photo am I the only one that wonders why we didn't use the land that we built the Sainsburys on to enable building 3/4 if not more of the new stadium and avoid any issues with playing away for a season. Clearly there are all sorts of issues with access, planning and the the extra commercial revenue but it doesn't seem...

That was never a realistic option. A major retail operator was always an important part of the master plan (generates ££) and there aren't many other places where a major retail building could go on that site - it needs a street frontage, but it also needs servicing.

If you mean that we should have changed the plan in that direction after the NDP had been granted planning consent, that's not a realistic idea either. It would have required a total redesign to the whole NDP complex, a renegotiation from scratch with Sainsbury's (who were already financially committed), a brand new planning consent, thus re-opening all of the S.106 issues again, fresh site investigations and other tests, because of relocating the stadium itself onto different ground, revised escape and transport arrangements, a different approach to the plaza and the listed buildings...

I could go on and on and on, just off the top of my head. I think it would create a minimum of two years of delay.

 

[Ionman34]

Big, heavy piece of machinery that either drives piles into the ground (wham! x 100) or augers them in (giant screw).

We used a small augered pile rig to do the (8m deep) foundations for my house in 1999, because you can't use a piledriver near existing buildings, lest the repeated impacts and vibrations cause damage. Similarly, nearly all the housing developments I worked on with piled foundations were in built-up areas, so they needed augered piles. That enormous tracked vehicle in the photo looks like a rig for driving piles to me, but I'm not certain, because it's a different method than what I know from personal experience.

Most modern developments of any size in North London need piled foundations, because the clay soil tends to shrink in dry conditions and cause subsidence.

I'm not 100% sure, but the rig looks like a CFA (Continuous Flight Auger), which are usually deeper and wider diameter, mostly used for skin friction bearing. These would be part of the main superstructure foundations as they are normally the main load bearers.

Pretty much means that we are into the first phase of the stadium build.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

I'm not 100% sure, but the rig looks like a CFA (Continuous Flight Auger), which are usually deeper and wider diameter, mostly used for skin friction bearing. These would be part of the main superstructure foundations as they are normally the main load bearers.

Pretty much means that we are into the first phase of the stadium build.

Thanks, nice to have things backed up by someone with more direct knowledge. That means that it is indeed a giant version of the mini-rig that we used on my house.

 

[Adam456]

That was never a realistic option. A major retail operator was always an important part of the master plan (generates ££) and there aren't many other places where a major retail building could go on that site - it needs a street frontage, but it also needs servicing.

If you mean that we should have changed the plan in that direction after the NDP had been granted planning consent, that's not a realistic idea either. It would have required a total redesign to the whole NDP complex, a renegotiation from scratch with Sainsbury's (who were already financially committed), a brand new planning consent, thus re-opening all of the S.106 issues again, fresh site investigations and other tests, because of relocating the stadium itself onto different ground, revised escape and transport arrangements, a different approach to the plaza and the listed buildings...

I could go on and on and on, just off the top of my head. I think it would create a minimum of two years of delay.

Not on about changing, just that it seems like a far more sensible *original* plan would have been to have built it where the current Park Lane end is, after the new stadium was up and running. I am over the moon that work seems to be under way in earnest and I'm not trying to find problems that aren't there but it seems brutally obvious

 

[KenilworthSpur]

If we're now into the first phase of the build, why haven't the club made some kind of announcement to show that progress is at last being made?

A nice picture of Daniel in a hard hat and wellies with a spade in his hands pretending to dig would go down wonders.

(ok just me then...)

 

[Lilbaz]

If we're now into the first phase of the build, why haven't the club made some kind of announcement to show that progress is at last being made?

A nice picture of Daniel in a hard hat and wellies with a spade in his hands pretending to dig would go down wonders.

(ok just me then...)

High court CPO next month.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

If we're now into the first phase of the build, why haven't the club made some kind of announcement to show that progress is at last being made?

Because they know that they might have to apply the brakes if the CPO appeal goes badly. The PR department rightly understands that making triumphalist noises now about the start of building work would be a hostage to fortune and a seriously bad idea.

The club is not obliged to issue monthly updates on the development, if only because development projects do not materially change monthly. Their responsibility is to get on with it and your responsibility is not to be cynical and not to assume that an absence of information means an absence of progress.

When everything is in place, including the CPO, the finance and the naming rights deal, and the project is secure, they will make an announcement. It is very plausible that the stadium could be rising out of the ground before we get to that point.

See my long post on page 648. I dealt with all this there:

http://spurscommunity.co.uk/index.p...s-and-discussions.38802/page-648#post-4385714

 

[Lilbaz]

From Twitter. Pic taken yesterday. Things clearly taking shape!
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I posted it on the last page.

 

[worcestersauce]

I don't think they are holding off in case the CPO goes badly, I don't think they believe for one minute that it will but it doesn't pay to disrespect the appeal court beforehand, no doubt archway would seek to make use of that.
Plus of course, we aren't involved in the CPO and so ought to at least look like we are in the dark about proceedings.

 

[fatspur]

From that photo am I the only one that wonders why we didn't use the land that we built the Sainsburys on to enable building 3/4 if not more of the new stadium and avoid any issues with playing away for a season. Clearly there are all sorts of issues with access, planning and the the extra commercial revenue but it doesn't seem

The width available for development is restricted at the northern perimeter by the housing on Worcester Avenue and buildings of significant heritage value on High Road.

 

[littlewilly]

I don't think they are holding off in case the CPO goes badly, I don't think they believe for one minute that it will but it doesn't pay to disrespect the appeal court beforehand, no doubt archway would seek to make use of that.
Plus of course, we aren't involved in the CPO and so ought to at least look like we are in the dark about proceedings.

I agree with this. It's all about showing respect to the Court despite being supremely confident of winning.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

A new picture was put on SkyScraperCity. It's just a different angle of the 'cleared site' picture that was put up a couple of days ago, but someone has put an outline on it and it seems to demonstrate just how much bigger than WHL the new stadium could be..

 

[SpurSince57]

Not on about changing, just that it seems like a far more sensible *original* plan would have been to have built it where the current Park Lane end is, after the new stadium was up and running. I am over the moon that work seems to be under way in earnest and I'm not trying to find problems that aren't there but it seems brutally obvious

You really think Sainsbury's would have worn waiting several years to build their new supermarket? Dream on. They've been partners from the start, and part of the deal is that the old Sainsbury's site to the north of the ground will be developed for housing once the work on the adjacent Cannon site is complete. Without the housing to help pay for it, the stadium wouldn't be viable. (Also, all those new residents are going to need somewhere to shop.)

 

[arunspurs]

Kevin Carpenter ‏@KevSportsLaw 11 minutes ago
Heard #NFL are part funding Tottenham's new stadium as it will be home to a London franchise. I hope that's right as I don't like Wembley.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Kevin Carpenter ‏@KevSportsLaw 11 minutes ago
Heard #NFL are part funding Tottenham's new stadium as it will be home to a London franchise. I hope that's right as I don't like Wembley.

Was just going to post this. Kevin Carpenter is this guy:
http://www.hilldickinson.com/our_people/PersonDetails.aspx?personid=308916

 

[$hoguN]

I hope not as it will mean that we end up playing on destroyed pitches

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Kevin Carpenter ‏@KevSportsLaw 11 minutes ago
Heard #NFL are part funding Tottenham's new stadium as it will be home to a London franchise. I hope that's right as I don't like Wembley.

I hope not as it will mean that we end up playing on destroyed pitches

Also:
Rob MDK Hayward‏@robMDK
@robbieJBhood @KevSportsLaw theres a pitch underneath the pitch, The plans are fantastic.

 

[arunspurs]

I hope not as it will mean that we end up playing on destroyed pitches

I saw some reports last year its going to be a sliding pitch with grass grown outside stadium. This will make sure, we could even play 2 games in 2 days and also in summer break have concerts etc..

It was told it will be modelled either on University on Phoenix stadium or


or Schalke Stadium

 

[worcestersauce]

Picking up on old NFL stories I reckon.

 

[whitesocks]

Also:
Rob MDK Hayward‏@robMDK
@robbieJBhood @KevSportsLaw theres a pitch underneath the pitch, The plans are fantastic fantasy.

Fixed.