News from a friend who supports Spurs living in Rome.

[brasil_spur]

But the perperators were Roma fans...

Not heard this as yet, but it makes little difference.

The Italian FA and UEFA currently accept this contingent of football hooliganism in Italy and as such there is no deterrent in place for it.

It is the Italian FA, along with UEFA who should take charge of ensuring that the Italian clubs are all under pressure to stamp this out within their fan groups.

 

[harrowspurs]

Such a shame this is an English export,i remember in 1974 spurs were the first club to take hooliganism abroad,going to Feyenoord and causing absolute havoc.
The Dutch we're having this same conversastion we are having now..the whole of Europe were calling us scum.these Eastern Europeans and some Italian clubs are 25yrs behind us now.
The powers that be have to give out long term jail sentences,CCTV has to be used,banning life term from all football grounds ect ect.
In this day and age fans have to be able to go to football anywhere in the world without fear of maybe being killed,or seriously injured.
Im so pleased none of our fans are coming home in boxes,but the way things are going in Eastern Eurpe,and in Rome in peticular its just a matter of time.
Get of your arse UEFA and start locking these animals up.

 

[CosmicHotspur]

I saw that photo yesterday and it sickened me. I hope he makes a full recovery, along with the others who were so shamefully attacked by these cowardly thugs.

 

[cozzo]

That argument is at least partly bollocks though. I don't doubt it was far-right minded individuals involved mostly, but they were using the guise of football hooligans and attacking football fans that were there to watch a game against a local team.

Like it or not Lazio football club and UEFA should both be involved in this.

I'll give another example:

Brazil are hosting the World Cup and then the Olympics during the next 4 years.

As you all know there is a lot of violence in the inner City areas of Brazil, particularly in Rio and Sao Paulo. Now say we see this same type of thing kick off in Rio against some English fans, except the people involved aren't far-right ultras but instead impoverished people caught up in a world of crime and drug dealing.

Now is this the fault of the Footballing authority or the Olympic committee - of course not, but they should be held partly responsible, and rightly so, for not ensuring that their city is safe for visiting sporting fans.

Where do you get this from, when they were only heard to be shouting anti jew stuff?

 

[idontgetit]

Lazio gains a footballing advantage by having away fans utterly intimidated. Less support for away teams on the pitch. Why don't we do that? Oh yeah because we're not ****s, our club would ban anyone involved, spurs fans in general would stand against it and the police would come down like a ton of bricks. We'd also be thrown out of UEFA competitions because our own press would go full on apeshit and make a big thing of it.

 

[brasil_spur]

Where do you get this from, when they were only heard to be shouting anti jew stuff?

They attacked football fans. Fans that are associated with a 'Jewish' football club. Thus using the guise of football hooligans.

If they had just attacked some regular English tourists in Rome in a bar then there would be no guise. Or perhaps if they had attacked fans of a club which is known to NOT be affiliated with Jews whilst shouting anti-Jew stuff.

 

[midoNdefoe]

The one thing to be said about the difference between english fans in the 70's-80's and the lazio/roma/galatasary/zenit etc. is that the trouble tends to happen on thier own patch, when fans rock up in thier city. The difference which i understand was that english fans went on tour and smashed up the place everywhere they went.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Quite a bit i would imagine.

BC i'm pretty sure that you are old enough to be aware of the hooliganism that occurred in England in the 70s and 80s and as such part of the way this was dealt with in England was the clubs getting directly involved. Not in one-off incidents but in helping to stamp this kind of behaviour out of their club and out of their fans.

When the consequences of hooliganism affects the club itself and its revenue streams you can be damn sure that the club will get more actively involved.

If there is a zero tolerancy of this behaviour from the club then these violent 'fans' will realise that they will have to find their fights elsewhere rather than under the guise of being football hooligans.

I'm not saying the club is all to blame, but in order for any effective policy to work in need involvement from the club at the top down to the fans and police at the bottom.

I wouldn't argue with any of this. All valid points, and Lazio have not covered themselves in glory in this respect I agree. But I still do not believe that you can hold a football club responsible for what people will do miles away from the ground or on another night.

These are people who have almost certainly had some kind of education, can read and write, have access to the internet, living in a civilised, democratic, economically developed european country, do they rally need a football club to tell them that stabbing people or being a racist is socially unacceptable ?

 

[wallyjakeman]

Hooligans, no matter what club you support, wherever you are from, who ever you are - please just FOAD.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

I've just got back. Was in the Campo de Fiori half an hour before the pub got ambushed. Dirty cowards those Rome ****s

Luckily we'd just moved on before these bastards moved in on some well behaved supporters just out having a drink and a sing song

In the ground many were like coiled springs, an Aberdeen Spur kicked off with the wrong bloke, some of the Dutch Spurs were on the edge and when after about an hour or so supporters were told they could go they got battened by the riot police who were more 'up for it' than anyone


All got treated like cattle after, hurded onto buses and escorted by about 5/10 riot vans and cars back to the main train station in Rome

Got talking to a few lads who flew from Manchester Airport. Said there were half a dozen naughty Leeds boys on their flight that were threatening and abusive on the flight and met up with some Lazio scum when they landed in Rome. Heard there were a few West Ham who flew out too

Great trip, great City,spoilt slightly by a few ultras etc, some nutty police, a 60% empty stadium and a boring game

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I've just got back. Was in the Campo de Fiori half an hour before the pub got ambushed. Dirty cowards those Rome ****s

Luckily we'd just moved on before these bastards moved in on some well behaved supporters just out having a drink and a sing song

In the ground many were like coiled springs, an Aberdeen Spur kicked off with the wrong bloke, some of the Dutch Spurs were on the edge and when after about an hour or so supporters were told they could go they got battened by the riot police who were more 'up for it' than anyone


All got treated like cattle after, hurded onto buses and escorted by about 5/10 riot vans and cars back to the main train station in Rome

Got talking to a few lads who flew from Manchester Airport. Said there were half a dozen naughty Leeds boys on their flight that were threatening and abusive on the flight and met up with some Lazio scum when they landed in Rome. Heard there were a few West Ham who flew out too

Great trip, great City,spoilt slightly by a few ultras etc, some nutty police, a 60% empty stadium and a boring game

I was standing near the dutch bunch in the first half (one skinny blond one and a big blond unit) but my mrs got talking to another bird at half time and we went and stood a bit further away from them second half. I saw the row and someone said one or both got battoned and carted off, do you know why it kicked off ?

 

[grahamg88]

Are people really believing that west ham fans actually flew all the way to Rome to have a tear up with a few spurs fans even though we play them Sunday?! I find that hard to believe .....

 

[class of 62]

Are people really believing that west ham fans actually flew all the way to Rome to have a tear up with a few spurs fans even though we play them Sunday?! I find that hard to believe .....

More to do with there mates at lazio but even better because they where playing us! They got noticed & they moved away pretty quickly to say the least (putting it nicely)

 

[riggi]

We'll see how many of them turn up tommorow. Bubbles shall be burst..

 

[cozzo]

The pic going around wasn't from Rome, I think the OP's friend was sensationalising what had gone on and the injuries. As for the gas, it wasn't let of by Italians in the Druken Ship. There was some resistance otherwise it would have been worse.

 

[Ionman34]

I'm sorry but this is ill thought out bollocks. It is a police/social problem if people are going around a city the night before a game largeing it. What can a football club do to prevent this.

It s purely the police who should react and deal with this.

So how does that explain ALL English clubs getting a 5 year ban previously?

If Italy can't prevent this, and it isn't the first time either, then FIFA has to take steps.

 

[gibbospurs]

We'll see how many of them turn up tommorow. Bubbles shall be burst..

whilst a small part part of me feels like negging you, a very large part says "come on you fuckers" go pop um riggi.!!!

 

[beats1]

So how does that explain ALL English clubs getting a 5 year ban previously?

If Italy can't prevent this, and it isn't the first time either, then FIFA has to take steps.

Until someone dies nothing will happen, unfortunately most governing bodies(not just football) are reactive and not proactive or preventative(did I just make this word up)

 

[riggi]

whilst a small part part of me feels like negging you, a very large part says "come on you fuckers" go pop um riggi.!!!

haha you wait for the lazio chants tommorow...

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

I've just got back. Was in the Campo de Fiori half an hour before the pub got ambushed. Dirty cowards those Rome ****s

Luckily we'd just moved on before these bastards moved in on some well behaved supporters just out having a drink and a sing song

In the ground many were like coiled springs, an Aberdeen Spur kicked off with the wrong bloke, some of the Dutch Spurs were on the edge and when after about an hour or so supporters were told they could go they got battened by the riot police who were more 'up for it' than anyone


All got treated like cattle after, hurded onto buses and escorted by about 5/10 riot vans and cars back to the main train station in Rome

Got talking to a few lads who flew from Manchester Airport. Said there were half a dozen naughty Leeds boys on their flight that were threatening and abusive on the flight and met up with some Lazio scum when they landed in Rome. Heard there were a few West Ham who flew out too

Great trip, great City,spoilt slightly by a few ultras etc, some nutty police, a 60% empty stadium and a boring game

I Can't believe why any fan of leeds or West Ham, would want to pay good money to travel with the sole objective of looking for trouble. This is a real cancer in our society, that these mindless, ignorant, retarded twats seek the need to behave like this.