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cliff jones

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Excited by this talk, happy with him, or the other attacking innovators like Slot, Ange, or De Zerbi.

Just want an announcement, something to look forward to. Instead of waking up on a matchday with a sense of expecting three at the back and two shots on target.
 

cockerel downunder

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Excited by this talk, happy with him, or the other attacking innovators like Slot, Ange, or De Zerbi.

Just want an announcement, something to look forward to. Instead of waking up on a matchday with a sense of expecting three at the back and two shots on target.
Doesn’t JN play 3 at the back though ?
 

easley91

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Tbh, if anyone over the age of 20 turned up to work on a skateboard - who wasn’t a professional skater - I’d think ‘tosser’…
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olliec

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Nagalsman has and will always be my first choice. I love the football he plays, I love his attitude even though he’s young, Bayern players were gutted that he left. He has the right amount of arrogance like Pep, but he’s also grounded aswell. Kane will stay if we get Nagalsmann, levy will have to back him, as Julian is obviously looking for a long term project if he comes to us, not a quick fix. The fans will give him time. For once I can actually be excited about going in the right direction.
 

spursfan77

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I feel I know Slot pretty well now through this forum and would be delighted if he joined us.

I think I'd be marginally happier with Nagelsmann, but only really because it feels more like an appointment a "big club" (tm) would make. I also recognise that this reasoning is based on emotion rather than logic.

Sounds like it’s going to be one of those two. I want Nagelsmann so I’m now assuming it will be Slot. Not sure it’s the right appointment but at least he is an attacking coach. Nagelsmann would probably inspire the players more than Slot. Just need to get behind whoever it is and hope for the best.
 

olliec

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More reasons I want Nagalsman. The draw he will have as a lot of young players would want to play for him. He would build a young, dynamic Tottenham squad that plays aggressive attacking football, and high pressing. He’s flexible and has many ideas how to counter a low block. On top of that he will have players like Kane leading the line. If we can get close to building a team like that Leipzig team he had then I’ll be a happy spurs fan.

players like Hojberg will be gone, but players like bissouma will shine.
 

spursfan77

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First, no one's obsessed with him.

Second, here's an incredibly detailed and informative analysis of his tactics, formation, patterns of play, and strengths and weaknesses. Which I assume is what you're after.


This sounds concerning with our team. You can see this definitely happening if he sets us up the same way, especially with no Bentancur until the winter.


Players don’t have any options

This mainly happened during the first few matches this season. The player on the ball moves into the midfield, while no-one is making themselves available to receive the next pass. Or, the other players start to move too late and are therefore not in position at the moment the pass has to be played.

During later matches this problem hardly occurred in the fashion it did during the first couple of matches. The only issue relating to this that still arises is a lack of options between the lines for the central defenders, which prohibits them from finding players between the lines.

The ball isn’t played through the lines (or in behind) while the option to do so is present

I think this is one of the main issues coaches run into when trying to implement a new possession-based style of play. In the past, players have learned not to take too many risks, which causes them to be averse to play line breaking passes (which have a high risk of being intercepted).

However, when playing a possession-based style of play, a team at times attracts more risks when they don’t play these types of passes. As they don’t play forwards, they hardly create anything themselves and attract the pressure by the opponents.

Another problem Feyenoord have in this respect is that their first team squad is very small. Behind the first eleven players there are hardly any substitutes that are able to replace them on a similar level. With Feyenoord having to sell a lot of players and lacking financial resources to get adequate replacements. Therefore, their bench is usually made up by mostly youth academy players.

When these players have to start by replacing an injured first team player, it’s normal for them to a) not have the same qualities on the ball as the injured player and b) feel somewhat nervous due to a lack of experience on this level. Which causes them to be avoidant of playing line breaking passes, especially from the back.

For example, Senesi was injured against Go Ahead Eagles and had to be replaced by Wouter Burger (who has left Feyenoord since) and the game after by Ramon Hendriks. Both played somewhat decent games, but were hesitant to play line breaking passes, causing Feyenoord’s build-up over the left side to be quite stagnant.

Technical mistakes

Similarly, by not having played this type of football before, players often lack certain technical skills which are required to execute this at 100%. Mistakes that can often be noticed are a poor body orientation, players not being able to pass or receive with their weak foot, and players not turning with the ball while there is nobody pressing them.

In addition, certain players also have a poor first touch, which requires them to take an extra touch before being able to play on. As it takes longer for the player on the ball to execute the next action, the defenders have more time to be able to close down the player with the ball. Especially Pederson, the right fullback, often has trouble with his first touch. “
 

tototoner

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This is the superstition I see most of the time as an argument against Poch and it really isn't any sort of argument at all. Against or for.

Eddie Howe managed Bournemouth, then left for Burnley. Then returned and got Bournemouth promoted to the Championship & Premier League.
Pulis was sacked by Stoke, then got the job again and got them promoted to the PL, kept them in the PL, had an FA cup final, and playing in Europe.
Mourinho left Chelsea, and returned some years later to win another league title and league cup.
Redknapp left Portsmouth, returned and had them in mid table and a famous FA cup win.
Capello managed Madrid in 96/97 and 06/07. He won the title in both periods.
Lippi left Juventus, returned, won two Serie A titles, two supercoppas, and runner up in the CL.
Dalglish went back to Liverpool after a 20 year gap. It wasn't great, but he did win a league cup and reached the FA cup final.
Heynckes returned to Bayern twice, with a 20yr and 4 yr gap between terms. He won a title in all three terms (4 titles in total).
Zidane returned to Madrid and won a supercopa and a title
Ancelotti returned to Madrid, winning the title, the supercopa, and the Champions league.

So, there are many cases across the spectrum of football where managers have returned and succeeded. People can pick the bones of this list as they wish, but "never go back" is superstitious nonsense.

I could easily google around for a list of managers who returned and failed. There's lots of those cases too. Circumstance has a lot to do with managing a club, whether it's your first go around, or second, third, fourth etc. As an argument against re-hiring Poch, it is the thinnest of gruels. Whereas hiring someone who has succeeded here in spite of the institutional barriers to success at this club, is very much an argument in favour of re-hiring him.
Good response 👍
 

WorthATry

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Things change daily but right now it’s a Toss up between Arnie slot and Nagelsman , I know the media are focused on nagelsman but slot still has a very good chance the board love what he has done at feyernord

re Poch Daniel and other board members will just not budge they know he may well end up at Chelsea now and they have heard the fans singing but they still are not swayed
 

sidford

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Bayern paid a record amount for Nagelsmann (€25m) and early reports are that Bayern want as much as that back as possible so would be a tough negotiation with Bayern trying to come to a figure. Obviously Bayern want him off the wagebill but they know we could pay a good fee for him. We can't afford protracted negotiations as need to get him appointed or swiftly move on.

If Nagelsmann is first choice it's not a simple appointment
 
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