Next Manager Watch

[McFlash]

Mason has just won one game, at home to Crystal Palace, by a single goal. I can’t understand this clamour at all. He needs at least a season or two as head coach somewhere else, proving his credentials over an extended period of time, before getting such a big job as ours full time. If he pulls a Kompany in such a role, fair enough, he can be in contention. But he absolutely doesn’t have the kind of body of work yet to merit this kind of consideration.

I don't think there is a clamour, just people discussing a possibility.
The majority seem to think that's it's too early as yet, so not sure where you're hearing a "clamour"?

But it can also be said that if Alonso can be linked, there's no reason whatsoever that Mason shouldn't also.

 

[JR1994]

Artetas first 2 years would have seen him been sacked here, I'm not sure why this is being left out of the story.

He won the FA Cup though. Gave him credit in the bank

 

[Timberwolf]

Artetas first 2 years would have seen him been sacked here, I'm not sure why this is being left out of the story.

Twice.

 

[JayB]

Mason as fourth or fifth choice behind Nagelsmann, Slot, and potentially Alonso and Postecoglou isn't entirely unreasonable. I'd personally have Gallardo ahead of all but Nagelsmann (and maybe Slot), but it's clear that we aren't in for him.

If it's Mason we all need to get behind him rather than moaning about his inexperience. His tactical tweak again Palace was very impressive, it showed more willingness to adapt to the tools available to him than Conte or Stellini did all season. He also seems to be a decent man manager, it would have been very easy for the players to capitulate following the Newcastle embarrassment and the first half against United but he's got them fighting. He's got something about him.

 

[Tucker]

I don't think there is a clamour, just people discussing a possibility.
The majority seem to think that's it's too early as yet, so not sure where you're hearing a "clamour"?

But it can also be said that if Alonso can be linked, there's no reason whatsoever that Mason shouldn't also.

Yeah if you asked me who I wanted, I’d say Nagelsmann or Slot. If you then told me we can’t have them so we are having Mason, I’d be able to get on board with that. It’s a huge gamble, and I’d hate for it to go tits up with him, but at the same time if we can’t get our proffered choices I’d rather we took a leap of faith with Mason than appoint the likes of Glasner.

 

[Tucker]

Artetas first 2 years would have seen him been sacked here, I'm not sure why this is being left out of the story.

Before or after he won the FA cup?

 

[Yantino]

I said it a few weeks ago. I’m not against the option of Ryan taking over. For a few reasons.

1. The club really needs some stability. Players (especially our senior players) have heard the opinion and approach from several different voices over the last few years. They could do with potentially not having to listen to yet another. I think our senior players would welcome it.

2. The club are in the process of setting up a new football operating structure. That should be pretty obvious to anyone with half a brain cell. Whilst we are setting up our structure, there’s no reason I see why Ryan cannot lead.

3. If managers like Gary O’Neil can be given a chance then I don’t see why Ryan can’t. Ryan is going to be a good manager so the question is whether he gets the opportunity to do that at Spurs or somewhere else.

4. I’m not sure it matters who is the head coach at the moment. We need all the other pieces in place.

5. I’ve been impressed with what I’ve seen over the last few games. Good decisions in game as well as how we have set ourselves up.

I don’t think it’s as ridiculous a proposition as some suggest.

 

[McFlash]

Yeah if you asked me who I wanted, I’d say Nagelsmann or Slot. If you then told me we can’t have them so we are having Mason, I’d be able to get on board with that. It’s a huge gamble, and I’d hate for it to go tits up with him, but at the same time if we can’t get our proffered choices I’d rather we took a leap of faith with Mason than appoint the likes of Glasner.

That's it for me too.
He's in no way my first or even second choice but it it was down to him and say another Nuno or Gattuso, I'm all aboard the fairytale journey that Mason would give hope of.
Like you though, I'd hate for us to fuck him up so early in his career.

 

[poc]

Well if he’s on the shortlist we’re a fucking mess

Would be a piss take

 

[HedgieSpur]

As I said in a different posts, football very much operates on a “face fits” basis. As such, it doesn’t remotely surprise me that Mason would be considered.

However, when judged objectively, I think any one of Nagelsmann, Enrique, De Zerbi, Slot, Gallardo, Amorim or Postecoglu are significantly better choices.

I feel Mason needs to go and manage elsewhere and develop and then we can truly assess his performance and progression.

 

[Russ1201]

Amazing how fans can go so easy from wanting Nagelsman and Slot to Mason. Think we could go from Nagelsman to Tony Pulis and in a few hours be happy with it
Nothing against Mason seems a great guy and very popular. Also looks like he has good potential but i would prefer him to cut his teeth at a mid table Pl team or Championship.
If Levy goes with Mason i personally think it will be because of the cheaper option on contract and on buying players.
I have a feeling that Levy will go with Mason.

 

[parj]

Then more fool him. They had shown not to be working so why continue with them? The players are professional athletes, they should be able to adapt to changes.

Most of the other players have played in other formations.

So what's this crap about managers needing an entire pre season to coach players to play their systems? Or did I miss something and Mason had a pre season already?

 

[Phil-spur99]

Well if he’s on the shortlist we’re a fucking mess

This must be the longest shortlist in the history of everything… ever…

 

[Limee]

Before or after he won the FA cup?

The week before the final.

 

[bomberH]

Would people take Mason if it meant Kane signed a new contract?

Kane is godfather to Mason’s kid I think. Or it might be the other way around. Either way they’re very close so if it meant Kane signing a new contract then yes.

Then as soon as the contract is signed, get Nagelsmann or Slot in.

(I like Mason, but not quite yet).

 

[jay2040]

Considering Slots assistant manager is van Persie the obvious solution to what’s being discussed to me is by employing Slot with Mason as his assistant manager. Together Slot and Mason can then rebuild this mess with hopefully Kane on board seeing as Mason is having a decent role in the set up.

Not sure that Van the man has nothing to offer. I would rather let Slot decide if he needs Van.

 

[journeyman]

I don't think there is a clamour, just people discussing a possibility.
The majority seem to think that's it's too early as yet, so not sure where you're hearing a "clamour"?

But it can also be said that if Alonso can be linked, there's no reason whatsoever that Mason shouldn't also.

Alonso has managed Leverkeusen for 32 games this season with a 53% win rate and a 25% loss rate. They were in the relegation zone when he took over and they’re now sixth. He also managed Real Sociedad B for 98 games.

Mason has been in charge of us for 3 games and his record is W1 D1 L1. When he managed us for 7 games in 2021 he was W4 L3. So he has managed less than a third of the games of Alonso at a top level (even if we discount Real Sociedad B) and the overall results are - especially when you consider Leverkeusen’s plight before October - less impressive by a margin.

I happen to think Alonso - despite the excitement about him and Real Madrid’s interest in him and what seems to be a feeling within the game that he will go on to be a top coach - would also be a risk and I’d prefer Nagelsmann or Slot. But Mason - who I’d love to go on and have a great career in management - would be a bigger risk still, at least based on impact to date.

 

[McFlash]

Alonso has managed Leverkeusen for 32 games this season with a 53% win rate and a 25% loss rate. They were in the relegation zone when he took over and they’re now sixth. He also managed Real Sociedad B for 98 games.

Mason has been in charge of us for 3 games and his record is W1 D1 L1. When he managed us for 7 games in 2021 he was W4 L3. So he has managed less than a third of the games of Alonso at a top level (even if we discount Real Sociedad B) and the overall results are - especially when you consider Leverkeusen’s plight before October - less impressive by a margin.

I happen to think Alonso - despite the excitement about him and Real Madrid’s interest in him and what seems to be a feeling within the game that he will go on to be a top coach - would also be a risk and I’d prefer Nagelsmann or Slot. But Mason - who I’d love to go on and have a great career in management - would be a bigger risk still, at least based on impact to date.

And all that's fair but missing my point that there isn't a clamour for Mason to be our next manager.
It's entirely understandable that he's being discussed but I think I've seen maybe one person say that they'd want him appointed, most of us are of the view that it's too early for him just yet.

That doesn't mean we shouldn't chat about him though, especially given Hercs earlier post.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

He won the FA Cup though. Gave him credit in the bank

Poch took us to CL 4 consecutive years, and the CL final. Gave him enough credit for 4 months.

FA Cup title, which is worth virtually no money to Levy, would have given Arteta an extra week or two.

 

[1971 Spur]

JN or AS for me but let's not trivialise what RM has done in a short period of time.

We were absolutely on the bones of our arses. Conte doing Conte things. DL giving Stellini the gig. Beaten by Bournemouth at home. Destroyed in 20 mins by Newcastle away. Losing any hope of Champions League.

He's come into a tactical mess with a seemingly fractured dressing room and from 2 down against United helped us back into the game. From 3 down v Liverpool he helped us back into the game. He dropped a few underperformers against a resurgent Palace and we got the points after a pretty good defensive performance.

I appreciate that people will say that he was complicit in us going behind in those first two games but you have to remember where the squad was mentally when he took over. To elicit any sort of performance out of the squad under the circumstances was an achievement in itself.

Do I want him to get the job? Absolutely not but let's give a little credit where it's due. He's definitely got some tactical nous. He seems to have a bit about him from a motivational perspective. A lot of the raw materials seem to be there. I'm unsure that keeping him around for the next manager would be a good idea for Ryan or for Spurs as a manager shouldn't have his assistant imposed on him. If we're going down this "multi-club" model then he could be given the opportunity with a "related" club in a competitive league to get games underneath his belt and cut his teeth for an extended period of time. Managers, like players, move about to different leagues in different countries. Keep him under the Spurs umbrella and go with the RB model where the managers and the players are given the requisite experience to hopefully prove themselves worthy of a place at the top level.