Next Manager Watch

[Stoof]

Yet some fans believe the shit spin from spurs PR fuck levy really does have the fans onside. No chance of any change to us fans make a serious stance.

How have you come to that opinion based on what had been tweeted there?

 

[bubble07]

From reading all of the reports, I think the main issue was that we want a different DOF to whoever Nagelsmann wanted.

I’d hazard a guess even that we have basically settled on who our DOF will be, and that’s why we were unwilling to change the full plan for Nagelsmann.

Or that DOF doesn't want Nagelsmann

 

[Dr Know]

Whilst not surprising this is definitely saddening. Elite level manager telling the club the tools and structure needed to make the job successful, however it all falls down when the club have a completely different definition of success.

Agreed 100%
This seems to o be a cycle here at the club. It’s a bit like Groundhog Day.

 

[chas vs dave]

And do we look back on that period fondly? No, it was shit.

Great seeing individual players like Gazza, Klinsmann and Ginola but it was still shit.

Yep, went to a lot of games in the late 90s. The season we won the league cup was one of the worst seasons I have witnessed.

The football was terrible

 

[philll]

With needing a new coach and DoF at the same time, I can definitely see a catch 22 developing where the one won't sign without knowing who the other is going to be and vice versa. This means we're basically going to need to appoint both at the same time in a display of competence never before seen.

 

[dirtyh]

I'm 24 so have a decent chance of seeing it but you just never know

im 51 and don’t think I’ve much chance tbh.

 

[aussie spur]

I keep reading that people want Mason/Poch because they know the club.....well I dont!...and that's because to know the club means you know we are bottle jobs that always come up short. I want changes from top to bottom as that is the only way we will ever see our fortunes change and sadly under Levy/Enic that wont happen.

Yep, I gave up thinking Spurs could achieve anything before Poch left, when he was left high and dry with eff all squad development / regeneration not to mention being weighed down by pig headed Levy signings like Sissoko etc...

I then stopped watching games when Poch left (I hate Jose, a vile narcissist) and only came back to keep track of the news to see whether Conte could shame Levy into action, or at least watch the shitstorm that would follow.

All the results of Levy's approach ripening more and more, he has massive problems getting a professional set up at the club not only because he doesn't want to do, or is emotionally incapable of doing, what that takes but also because he has zero credibility with anyone who can create that...

Appointing the other extreme, an inexperienced manager who sings Levy's tune is not a solution. The fact the club is testing this possibility out in the press should tell you everything you need to know about the likelihood of real change.

 

[jakuba]

Worth noting that they seem likely to have been demands that Chelsea would not agree to either.

maybe there is just something about JN that rubs people up the wrong way.

Also a distinct possibility that we have similar issues at board level.

Tuchel falling out with Boehly regarding signings being one of the many nails in the coffin after all. Coaches clashing with Levy over signings for different reasons (Boehly wanting everyone and Levy wanting nobody) but ultimately same problem - unhinged transfer strategies.

 

[Fredo]

im 51 and don’t think I’ve much chance tbh.

You will live to see the day.

 

[HedgieSpur]

How do you work that out? Have we improved on the footballing side from the shit mid table side we were in the 90s?

I used the word DELIVERED quite deliberately.

 

[KingNick]

Also a distinct possibility that we have similar issues at board level.

Tuchel falling out with Boehly regarding signings being one of the many nails in the coffin after all. Coaches clashing with Levy over signings for different reasons (Boehly wanting everyone and Levy wanting nobody) but ultimately same problem - unhinged transfer strategies.

Which clubs don’t though?
There are always going to be differences of opinion between board and manager.

City wouldn’t back Pep regarding Kane, for example. And Brighton’s system is to sign players for the club rather than the manager (with the manager having to buy into the club system not vice versa) and I’m sure they are not always on board 100% with what they are given.

Which is why I’m more inclined to believe that JN was seeking something unusual and/or he just came across badly.

From his pov it’s very easy to say the clubs didn’t match his visions.

Had it just been us and not Chelsea (and his odd sacking), I’d have fully believed it was all on Levy.

 

[mil1lion]

For me I think there's a merging of 2 different things and it's why this thread gets filled so much. 1 of those things is how we operate as a club. I'm 100% against how we run as a club and want more. This discussion belongs in the Levy thread. The 2nd part is the manager search and this is where we mix up what manager we want and what manager we need.

This is why I'm not fussed about Nagelsmann even though I wanted him. Until we change how we operate there really is no point fixating on a manager we want. I felt Conte was the best chance we had to change how we operate and that didn't happen. So I've come to the reality that a manager won't change how we operate. It's for that reason we need to find a manager who will work with how we do operate.

By all means fight for change in the Levy thread. It just seems pointless to get worked up on a manager who represents how you want us to operate. Until things change we're best off with a manager who works with limited resources because thats how we do operate. Our best managers came from smaller clubs where we were their biggest job. That's because they fit our owners who operate like a smaller club.

 

[Metalhead]

For me I think there's a merging of 2 different things and it's why this thread gets filled so much. 1 of those things is how we operate as a club. I'm 100% against how we run as a club and want more. This discussion belongs in the Levy thread. The 2nd part is the manager search and this is where we mix up what manager we want and what manager we need.

This is why I'm not fussed about Nagelsmann even though I wanted him. Until we change how we operate there really is no point fixating on a manager we want. I felt Conte was the best chance we had to change how we operate and that didn't happen. So I've come to the reality that a manager won't change how we operate. It's for that reason we need to find a manager who will work with how we do operate.

By all means fight for change in the Levy thread. It just seems pointless to get worked up on a manager who represents how you want us to operate. Until things change we're best off with a manager who works with limited resources because thats how we do operate. Our best managers came from smaller clubs where we were their biggest job. That's because they fit our owners who operate like a smaller club.

That's a brilliant post.

 

[Albertbarich]

For me I think there's a merging of 2 different things and it's why this thread gets filled so much. 1 of those things is how we operate as a club. I'm 100% against how we run as a club and want more. This discussion belongs in the Levy thread. The 2nd part is the manager search and this is where we mix up what manager we want and what manager we need.

This is why I'm not fussed about Nagelsmann even though I wanted him. Until we change how we operate there really is no point fixating on a manager we want. I felt Conte was the best chance we had to change how we operate and that didn't happen. So I've come to the reality that a manager won't change how we operate. It's for that reason we need to find a manager who will work with how we do operate.

By all means fight for change in the Levy thread. It just seems pointless to get worked up on a manager who represents how you want us to operate. Until things change we're best off with a manager who works with limited resources because thats how we do operate. Our best managers came from smaller clubs where we were their biggest job. That's because they fit our owners who operate like a smaller club.

Great post. To me Nagelsmann saying no is an indictment of the fact we aren't showing any willingness to change and that's the worrying thing.

 

[HedgieSpur]

Until the fans turn ugly on Levy, things will continue as they always have.

Remarkable that so many people still haven't had this moment of clarity yet lol

Based on an earlier post I made on ENIC not delivering on the football side, I think you may well be surprised to know that there are a significant number of fans who truly do believe that they have done well football wise.

I can’t fathom it personally, but it might explain why there has been so little protest against the way things are being run.

 

[C0YS]

Not that worried about this. Naggelsman was my pick but many question marks I didnt like. Particularly how he sets up his teams. A manager who likes two playmakers and doesn't like wingers, also some of the things that went on in bayern seem questionable.

Obviously, as long the reasons for ruling him out were based on a firm understanding of a vision we are trying to follow its acceptable. Though Im far from convinced thats the case.

 

[JCRD]

I think we will get Slot for sure now. The briefings that Nagelsmann is not even going to be contacted after the last several weeks of reports to the contrary clearly suggest he has turned us down.

And that is fine. JN is a an excellent coach but I wouldnt want to bow to what he wants if we are unable to give those things to him - I mean it would set us back and make us even more comedic down the line when we hit another 'Conte situation' with him and he then leave or we fire him. Need to see the wider context as to why he rejected us and I suspect because we couldnt give him what he wants - which is fine in my book.

 

[Dr Know]

But I don't don't see the point in losing your shit until the new manager is announced.

You've been here since 2005 so should know better. It's just a Spurs thing to "lose your shit" just like it's the Barcodes thing to "take their shirts off" in the freezing cold and the Chavs "racially abusing players"...............

 

[JCRD]

Not that worried about this. Naggelsman was my pick but many question marks I didnt like. Particularly how he sets up his teams. A manager who likes two playmakers and doesn't like wingers, also some of the things that went on in bayern seem questionable.

Obviously, as long the reasons for ruling him out were based on a firm understanding of a vision we are trying to follow its acceptable. Though Im far from convinced thats the case.

Exactly, it is about what we want and need to fulfill our vision, of course it is a different question whether we do have a vision but one thing is for sure, if it isnt aligned from the start then its best this happens now. Its just basic recruitment in any walk of life.

 

[Russ1201]

How have you come to that opinion based on what had been tweeted there?

In my opinion Levy knows that the fan reaction has calmed down last few weeks and that he can now go with a cheaper less demanding manager. Sadly i feel a lot of fans have come accustomed to this mediocrity now and just roll with it.
Levy would of had to deliver with any demands or risk another Conte. He lacks any ambition apart from the sports/entertainment stadium.
As i said just my opinion on this forum.