Not in the Sky big 5. Our advantage?

[Typical Spurs]

With Mourinho seemingly at Utd now, Guardiola at City, Conte at Chelsea and Klopp and Aresehole at Liverpool and scum respectively, do you see this as bad news for us? Or could there be a silver lining?

As next season draws nearer I can imagine the media frenzy pitting the above names against each other. And the thought of it is pissing me off already. Yet I also think it could be a good thing. This season we showed we are better than all the above, bar Arsenal, which we monumentally fucked up.

What do you guys think? That we'll descend to a 5-6 side again? Or can we push again like we did this year?

Signings are key for me. Get them right and I think we could do well again. Going under the radar which we now will be is a good thing IMO.

Mourinho is a **** though. He will again hijack potential signings of ours. But worse I really fear he will offer for Kane. And possibly others.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

@Dougal you hippy, you saved this guys bacon by seconds

 

[tommyt]

@Dougal you hippy, you saved this guys bacon by seconds

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Posted in the daily itk thread?

 

[Bofrok]

Could the answer be in the 'stars'

 

[millsey]

Unless we buy very well this window, we may well have missed our best chance of a title

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

I'm not convinced Mourinho will be an instant success at ManU. Conte at Chelsea has major work to do and is new to Prem. Liverpool have no european footy to attract major stars. Pep probably will be a success and has less work to do squad wise. It will no doubt be a tougher Prem next season but if we have a good summer I'm not panicking.

 

[For the love of Spurs]

Based on this season predictions for next season are all going to be wild. The Prem is as unpredicatable as I can remember it.

We could soon have the big 9 instead of the big 4/5, the TV money could make everything different.

United
City
Arsenal
Liverpool
Spurs
Southampton
West Ham
Chelsea
Leicester

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

I'm not convinced Mourinho will be an instant success at ManU. Conte at Chelsea has major work to do and is new to Prem. Liverpool have no european footy to attract major stars. Pep probably will be a success and has less work to do squad wise. It will no doubt be a tougher Prem next season but if we have a good summer I'm not panicking.

People also need to take into account the fact that, apart from Liverpoo & Arseanal, the other clubs will all have new managers. Those managers will send big money on multiple players, in hope of not repeating the same thing that happened this season. However, there's a European Championships taking place, as well as the South American tournament thing. This means that these new managers, at their new clubs, with their new players, will not get to work with them for a good part of what would normally be preseason.

It also means that the new players, as well as players already at the clubs, will have less than usual time to learn their new managers tactics, adopt to his training methods, settle into his way of playing, change their attitudes to suit what their manager wants etc etc etc.

As scary as the thought of massive investment by those clubs is, along with managers who have a pedigree for success, we do still have a fair amount in our favour. Apart from 2 or 3 new additions, our boys will be ready to go. They will know exactly what's expected of them, and how to do it. Heck, even the new players are being/will be selected because they have the attitude & mentality that their manager expects.

It's not as bad as some are thinking

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I'm not convinced Mourinho will be an instant success at ManU. Conte at Chelsea has major work to do and is new to Prem. Liverpool have no european footy to attract major stars. Pep probably will be a success and has less work to do squad wise. It will no doubt be a tougher Prem next season but if we have a good summer I'm not panicking.

I think not getting CL football wouldn't have helped, but not getting Europa won't make too much difference. The Klopp/Liverpool/Wages factor will still make them a pretty attractive proposition for all but the top shelf players and even ManU are struggling to sign those these days.

 

[millsey]

People also need to take into account the fact that, apart from Liverpoo & Arseanal, the other clubs will all have new managers. Those managers will send big money on multiple players, in hope of not repeating the same thing that happened this season. However, there's a European Championships taking place, as well as the South American tournament thing. This means that these new managers, at their new clubs, with their new players, will not get to work with them for a good part of what would normally be preseason.

It also means that the new players, as well as players already at the clubs, will have less than usual time to learn their new managers tactics, adopt to his training methods, settle into his way of playing, change their attitudes to suit what their manager wants etc etc etc.

As scary as the thought of massive investment by those clubs is, along with managers who have a pedigree for success, we do still have a fair amount in our favour. Apart from 2 or 3 new additions, our boys will be ready to go. They will know exactly what's expected of them, and how to do it. Heck, even the new players are being/will be selected because they have the attitude & mentality that their manager expects.

It's not as bad as some are thinking

It's not bad. But managers like Mourinho don't need time to settle. They will give him 200
Mill, he will have some brilliant players, he will have an instant effect on them and they will be very difficult to beat. It's 2-3 years in they
May struggle

 

[hellava_tough]

Based on this season predictions for next season are all going to be wild. The Prem is as unpredicatable as I can remember it.

We could soon have the big 9 instead of the big 4/5, the TV money could make everything different.

United
City
Arsenal
Liverpool
Spurs
Southampton
West Ham
Chelsea
Leicester

This.

I suspect (only time will tell) that the Premier League is changing because of increased club revenues

We had a taste of it last year, when mid-table teams spent a few quid and/or had better scouting infrastructure, resulting in them signing really good unknown players

This year will see the same again

At least 10 teams (probably more) in the PL can now afford really decent signings from around the world. The likes of City, Chelsea, United etc can still only put out 11 players in a game, so at some point their financial advantage starts to plateau.

 

[BaFa94]

I'm not worried about Mourinho at United at all. I was actually hoping he'd be their post LVG manager. He's basically a younger Van Gaal. His appointment will change nothing there.

 

[Spursnw10]

Based on this season predictions for next season are all going to be wild. The Prem is as unpredicatable as I can remember it.

We could soon have the big 9 instead of the big 4/5, the TV money could make everything different.

United
City
Arsenal
Liverpool
Spurs
Southampton
West Ham
Chelsea
Leicester

If Everton make the right managerial appointment you could also throw them in that mix

 

[For the love of Spurs]

If Everton make the right managerial appointment you could also throw them in that mix

Didn't think of that also depends on which players they retain.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

It's not bad. But managers like Mourinho don't need time to settle. They will give him 200
Mill, he will have some brilliant players, he will have an instant effect on them and they will be very difficult to beat. It's 2-3 years in they
May struggle

Yeah he'll spend a shed load of money (doesn't he always?) but, from the outside looking in, there does appear to be a LOT of work to do at United. He can spend all the money in the world, but if the majority of his squad is away partaking in various tournaments, how can he get into their heads? Is it inconceivable that, when players return from international duty, there could be a multitude of problems, whether it's clashes of ego's, players not liking his methods etc etc.

That's all I was getting at mate.

 

[John48]

With Mourinho seemingly at Utd now, Guardiola at City, Conte at Chelsea and Klopp and Aresehole at Liverpool and scum respectively, do you see this as bad news for us? Or could there be a silver lining?

As next season draws nearer I can imagine the media frenzy pitting the above names against each other. And the thought of it is pissing me off already. Yet I also think it could be a good thing. This season we showed we are better than all the above, bar Arsenal, which we monumentally fucked up.

What do you guys think? That we'll descend to a 5-6 side again? Or can we push again like we did this year?

Signings are key for me. Get them right and I think we could do well again. Going under the radar which we now will be is a good thing IMO.

Mourinho is a **** though. He will again hijack potential signings of ours. But worse I really fear he will offer for Kane. And possibly others.

He can offer what he wants I don't think he'll get them any time soon. It's going to be interesting for sure, although we keep the core of this seasons team & build on it we should be in good shape, assuming we revert to something like the pre-N'Castle side.

 

[hellava_tough]

I'm not worried about Mourinho at United at all. I was actually hoping he'd be their post LVG manager. He's basically a younger Van Gaal. His appointment will change nothing there.

I think you maybe a bit harsh on JM there

He's a very experienced manager at the highest level, so I'd be surprised if they weren't at least competing for the title

That would be an instant improvement on LVG

But as I've said above, the PL is going to get tougher and tougher as the years go by, so no team or manager is guaranteed of success anymore

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

It's not bad. But managers like Mourinho don't need time to settle. They will give him 200
Mill, he will have some brilliant players, he will have an instant effect on them and they will be very difficult to beat. It's 2-3 years in they
May struggle

LVG has spent 250 million and Citeh spent similar over the past two seasons. Arsenal will make one "stella" signing and Chel$ea will still have the oldest side in the World that Conte will disband.

Whatever those new coaches do, spend and recreate we have a more or less settled side, and with a few tweaks here and there will be good to go come August. I truly think we will again finish within the top four regardless of the signings made by Pep and the Not So Special One.

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

Yeah he'll spend a shed load of money (doesn't he always?) but, from the outside looking in, there does appear to be a LOT of work to do at United. He can spend all the money in the world, but if the majority of his squad is away partaking in various tournaments, how can he get into their heads? Is it inconceivable that, when players return from international duty, there could be a multitude of problems, whether it's clashes of ego's, players not liking his methods etc etc.

That's all I was getting at mate.

When it comes to the pecking order any half decent player is going to pick Man Citeh and Chel$ea over Man Ure. Both of the former have a much better chance in the CL going forward. man Ure simply do not have the finances to match Citeh or Chel$ea and have a far bigger rebuilding job i.m.o.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

LVG has spent 250 million and Citeh spent similar over the past two seasons. Arsenal will make one "stella" signing and Chel$ea will still have the oldest side in the World that Conte will disband.

Whatever those new coaches do, spend and recreate we have a more or less settled side, and with a few tweaks here and there will be good to go come August. I truly think we will again finish within the top four regardless of the signings made by Pep and the Not So Special One.

Thank you. That's exactly the point I've been trying to make. As you say, no matter how much money the likes of United, City & Chel$ki etc throw at players, they won't have the one advantage that we have, a settled squad that knows exactly what their manager will expect from them. We will simply be tweaking, whereas the aforementioned clubs & players will be pretty much starting from scratch. That really can't be understated!