Other teams transfer rumours/signings

[mill]

I think it's more the money situation that means we can't operate so quickly. The teams that have been spending are those that have huge amounts of money (which unfortunately now includes Arsenal). We have to be a bit more shrewd.

I just hope we don't end up wasting money on signing average players cos we wait too long. I'd rather 2 quality signings over 3 average ones and I'd rather not waste the first 3 games of the season

 

[beats1]

I'm quoting you but have noticed other people saying this as well over the last year.

What makes you think we had any chance of signing Isco? Why would he go from a team who qualified for the Champions League to a team that didn't? Also I think it's pretty obvious to everyone that he's an immense talent and it would only be a matter of time before he was getting offers from far bigger and far wealthier clubs than us. Let's put this one to bed and say we had virtually no chance of signing Isco.

If you read my explanation earlier in this thread it would answer every question and you wrong even their president expected him to go to us

 

[vonn]

If you read my explanation earlier in this thread it would answer every question and you wrong even their president expected him to go to us

Nothing I've read makes me believe we had a chance of signing Isco. I can find quotes that the Malaga president said we tried to buy the player but nothing to suggest he thought he would join us. In all honesty even if we had had a bid accepted I don't believe that Isco would have joined us.

 

[beats1]

Also I think it's pretty obvious to everyone that he's an immense talent and it would only be a matter of time before he was getting offers from far bigger and far wealthier clubs than us.

LOL, you make it sound as if he was doing well, he wasn't people expected him to do really well for Malaga but he had a poor season compared to Carzola and people felt he was over weight there was a reason, why Arsenal signed Carzola for £17million and didn't sign Isco for around £10-£12million

What makes you think we had any chance of signing Isco?

Because he wasn't doing great and the teams he was linked with was us, Arse and Liverpool and we were favourites to sign him until the end of October when he was doing really well in CL the big clubs started to sniff and then when City and Chelsea were interested in November they started to discuss extending that release clause

Why would he go from a team who qualified for the Champions League to a team that didn't?

Because he played for a team that hadn't paid their players for 6 months of this season, none of the players were happy but Pellegrini rallied them together. Secondly Malaga were desperate for the money they needed the £10-12 million to pay their debts which they didn't end up paying and has cost them CL for two seasons. We were willing to pay £8mill it seems and then £12mill once they had CL and they knew they could get more if they made the knock out stages. They wanted the release clause to be met for him to leave.

When asked about the spurs interest and him possibly leaving and he said he was a malaga fan and he said along the lines he knew he may have to leave for the club to survive

Let's put this one to bed and say we had virtually no chance of signing Isco.

If thats what you want to tell yourself fair enough but the spanish papers expected him to sign for us and unlike the english press their sources are normally the players or the clubs

Nothing I've read makes me believe we had a chance of signing Isco. I can find quotes that the Malaga president said we tried to buy the player but nothing to suggest he thought he would join us. In all honesty even if we had had a bid accepted I don't believe that Isco would have joined us.

As said by a lot of ITK's the players is often asked first about would they be interested before anything is taken any further, these days it is very rare for a club to pursue a player before speaking to a agent and etc.

 

[vonn]

LOL, you make it sound as if he was doing well, he wasn't people expected him to do really well for Malaga but he had a poor season compared to Carzola and people felt he was over weight there was a reason, why Arsenal signed Carzola for £17million and didn't sign Isco for around £10-£12million

You're comparing a seasoned Spanish international with a young player having his first real experience of top level league football? Even taking into account his lack of experience Isco had a fine first season, and while numbers aren't everything I know, the fact he had 9 goals and assists in 29 starts against Cazorla with 14 in 38 starts suggests it's a little unfair to say he had a poor season in comparison.

Because he wasn't doing great and the teams he was linked with was us, Arse and Liverpool and we were favourites to sign him until the end of October when he was doing really well in CL the big clubs started to sniff and then when City and Chelsea were interested in November they started to discuss extending that release clause

Being favourites to sign a player and actually signing a player are two totally different things. My guess is us or perhaps Liverpool have a bid accepted and then bang, gazumped. I seriously believe that would have happened. And there were bigger teams interested in the player IF you believe the Spanish press. For example, May 2012, El Mundo Deportivo reports "Attacking midfielder Isco has caught the attention of Barcelona with his good performances for Malaga in the 2011-12 campaign". #EDIT, various stories in the Spanish press previous to end of summer '12 window linking him to Man. Utd, Juve, ...)

If thats what you want to tell yourself fair enough but the spanish papers expected him to sign for us and unlike the english press their sources are normally the players or the clubs

The press is the press no matter what the country. I don't believe for one minute that the Spanish press is any more accurate than ours in terms of transfer stories. Off the top of my head, last summer window, Spanish press report that Dembele will sign for Real Madrid. I'm sure that's just one of many totally without substance transfer stories that are printed in the Spanish press every window.

As said by a lot of ITK's the players is often asked first about would they be interested before anything is taken any further, these days it is very rare for a club to pursue a player before speaking to a agent and etc.

Or the agent might say they are interested to get the ball rolling.

Btw, I can't find a single quote (admittedly only searched for a few minutes) from the Malaga president saying he expected Isco to join us, or from the player himself mentioning Spurs.

 

[Danny1]

Reading have signed Royston Drenthe.....quite a fall from grace that aint it! Going to the biggest club in the world and ending up in the Championship within 6 years!

 

[dirtyh]

Reading have signed Royston Drenthe.....quite a fall from grace that aint it! Going to the biggest club in the world and ending up in the Championship within 6 years!

great signing for reading though. if he can stay fit he'll have a field day in the championship.

 

[beats1]

You're comparing a seasoned Spanish international with a young player having his first real experience of top level league football? Even taking into account his lack of experience Isco had a fine first season, and while numbers aren't everything I know, the fact he had 9 goals and assists in 29 starts against Cazorla with 14 in 38 starts suggests it's a little unfair to say he had a poor season in comparison.

Nothing about stats he was expected to have a breakout season for and his performances weren't great on paper he might of had a fine season but he wasn't as good as expected and some people were saying that he was carrying a bit of weight and if you think its unfair to compare the players, carzola was the better player that season by a margin and this season there is no doubt that Isco is the better player

Yes it was his breakout season in the league but doesn't help people writing him off as a huge talent as look at Michu who wasn't the best player in the segunda and he had a brilliant season that very season

Being favourites to sign a player and actually signing a player are two totally different things. My guess is us or perhaps Liverpool have a bid accepted and then bang, gazumped. I seriously believe that would have happened. And there were bigger teams interested in the player IF you believe the Spanish press. For example, May 2012, El Mundo Deportivo reports "Attacking midfielder Isco has caught the attention of Barcelona with his good performances for Malaga in the 2011-12 campaign". #EDIT, various stories in the Spanish press previous to end of summer '12 window linking him to Man. Utd, Juve, ...)

There are articles like that in every spanish papers but half that stuff is fluff its only when the better journos report it and it is in the papers every day that it should be taken seriously like the link to Paulinho, even the bale piece hasn't been reported much with most of its pieces from tosser like perez, zidane and his agent.

Also Malaga refused to sell to another spanish club because they felt they were competing with them before it got really bad. Also the spanish press at the time had us done as the inly team to make a offer and as you said late in the window he was gaining interest from bigger clubs but that was only because of his performances for Malaga in the CL which once again we were at to watch both matches

The press is the press no matter what the country. I don't believe for one minute that the Spanish press is any more accurate than ours in terms of transfer stories. Off the top of my head, last summer window, Spanish press report that Dembele will sign for Real Madrid. I'm sure that's just one of many totally without substance transfer stories that are printed in the Spanish press every window.

It depends the spanish press it definitely more connected than ours but that doesn't stop fluff being written or pure propaganda. That said the spanish press also reports what other papers say and they are often on the websites but written by themselves like the higuain stuff, like the dembele stuff which was reported by every paper but came from Dembele and the Daily mail!

Or the agent might say they are interested to get the ball rolling.

Btw, I can't find a single quote (admittedly only searched for a few minutes) from the Malaga president saying he expected Isco to join us, or from the player himself mentioning Spurs.

Like said we had been one of the only real interested party with Liverpool and Arsenal, nobody was really linked with Isco and you mentioned the spanish press linking Man Utd they were quoting the fucking metro! There was some interest in him from the british press after the CL games which ended up on spanish papers but they weren't written by them!

Also he said to local radio at the time and I will try and find it later

 

[vonn]

Like said we had been one of the only real interested party with Liverpool and Arsenal, nobody was really linked with Isco and you mentioned the spanish press linking Man Utd they were quoting the fucking metro! There was some interest in him from the british press after the CL games which ended up on spanish papers but they weren't written by them.

Bugger!! Just wrote out a reply to your post and then accidentally pressed the back button on my mouse.

Haven't got time now to respond but I believe my points in my last reply still stand.

Just a quick point, even if one of us, Arsenal or Liverpool had had a bid accepted it still wouldn't necessarily mean that the player would come. As far as I'm concerned, and it's just my opinion of course, if a bid had been accepted or the release fee matched there is no doubt in my mind that a "bigger" club would have come in and gazumped us or matched the release fee. Even if a "bigger" club didn't come in I'm still not convinced the player would want to join us, I know you mentioned the financial problems, but given all that I'm convinced the player would still choose to stay at Malaga and gain more exposure in the hope of getting a better move. To me it makes no sense why he would want to join us in the 2012 summer window.

 

[13VanDerBale13]

BREAKING NEWS: Sky sources understand Liverpool have agreed a fee withSunderland for goalkeeper Simon Mignolet.

 

[tobi]

The fee is rumoured to be £11m otherwise known as Premier League tax.

 

[mpickard2087]

£11-12m for Mignolet. I don't think he is that good.

 

[Berglad]

The fee is rumoured to be £11m otherwise known as Premier League tax.

£11-12m for Mignolet. I don't think he is that good.

I feel like he's been one of the better keepers in the league over the last couple seasons and a decent upgrade on Reina, but yeah £11M-12M is a lot for him.

 

[Marty]

When we get Lloris for £8m, every other keeper in the world's going to look expensive.

Mignolet's a great signing for them if (when) Reina does leave.

 

[UncleBuck]

Reina to barca? Big boots for mignon of beef to fill!

 

[Snarfalicious]

When we get Lloris for £8m, every other keeper in the world's going to look expensive.

Mignolet's a great signing for them if (when) Reina does leave.

I think that's just absolutely hilarious. Lloris at £8m is just incredible and is something that still baffles me.

Mignolet is good, but he's not even near Lloris' level.

 

[THOWIG]

Liverpools signings are nothing to be frightened of, but they are adding quality to their overall squad.

 

[Snarfalicious]

Liverpools signings are nothing to be frightened of, but they are adding quality to their overall squad.

Liverpool have a history of absolutely diabolical transfer moves. But, I'd say Rodgers has done a pretty good job.

There's still some room for improvement (See: Joe Allen) but they've done more good than bad business over the past year. I still think Borini could be decent if he can shake his injury crap.

 

[THOWIG]

I think Rodgers has done an incredible job. His scouting team is excellent.

 

[beats1]

Liverpools signings are nothing to be frightened of, but they are adding quality to their overall squad.

Luis Alberto has the potential to be Spain's no. 9 for years, this season he was one the best players in segunda

He will be one that people will say where were we