our ridiculous transfer dealings

[doubledecker]

I just don't see how we are going to get any blend following our ridiculous summer transfer dealings.

What we needed-

2 keepers

2 CD's to allow for King 's arthritis

A top DM

A good LM

3 new strikers to replace Bent, Berbs and Keane.

What we got :

2 keepers

1 utility defender

0 specialist CD's

0 DM

0 LM



3 attacking midfielders to add to Lennon and Jenas and our playmaker Hudd

1 striker plus a youngster on loan who was en route to Hull.

Is it any wonder we are bottom of the league ? Perhaps we should play 1 at the back, 2 wing backs and 6 attacking midfielders ? Or a 1-8-1 formation ?
Gomes

Woodgate

Zokora - Hudd- Lennon - Jenas- Modric- Bentley- Dos santos- Bale

Anybody

 

[phil]

Since Carrick left we have needed a DM but have failed to find one. Since Davids left we have no natural leader on the pitch. And how Levy/Ramos/Commoli can believe that Pavlyuchenko and Campbell are suitable replacements for Berbatov, Keane and Defoe is anyone's guess.

Come January we need to buy a DM (or two), a striker, another central defender and possibly a LM. Depressing isn't it?

 

[Bristol Coys]

Really hoped we would buy Felaini. Fits our criteria for young with good resale value.
Maybe we should look at Steven Appiah.

 

[doubledecker]

Since Carrick left we have needed a DM but have failed to find one. Since Davids left we have no natural leader on the pitch. And how Levy/Ramos/Commoli can believe that Pavlyuchenko and Campbell are suitable replacements for Berbatov, Keane and Defoe is anyone's guess.

Come January we need to buy a DM (or two), a striker, another central defender and possibly a LM. Depressing isn't it?

The whole thing makes me so angry. it was so obvious where are strengths and weaknesses were last season. Our strength has now become our biggest weakness and our weaknesses have not been addressed.
That is why I am astonished that so many think we had a good window. If that is good then I dread to think what a bad window would have been.

 

[thinktank]

I just don't see how we are going to get any blend following our ridiculous summer transfer dealings.

What we needed-

2 keepers

2 CD's to allow for King 's arthritis

A top DM

A good LM

3 new strikers to replace Bent, Berbs and Keane.

What we got :

2 keepers

1 utility defender

0 specialist CD's

0 DM

0 LM



3 attacking midfielders to add to Lennon and Jenas and our playmaker Hudd

1 striker plus a youngster on loan who was en route to Hull.

Is it any wonder we are bottom of the league ? Perhaps we should play 1 at the back, 2 wing backs and 6 attacking midfielders ? Or a 1-8-1 formation ?
Gomes

Woodgate

Zokora - Hudd- Lennon - Jenas- Modric- Bentley- Dos santos- Bale

Anybody

Spot on.

 

[SpurSince57]

Really hoped we would buy Felaini. Fits our criteria for young with good resale value.
Maybe we should look at Steven Appiah.

But have you seen this guy? He looked very impressive for Liege against the Scousers, but that's a one-off.

Appiah isn't a DM.

 

[thebenjamin]

They only trade players to make money. They get who's available who they think they can make a profit on. Any player is for sale for the right money, notwithstanding the impact it will have on the squad.

We will never be successful under this administration.

 

[deselina]

Really hoped we would buy Felaini. Fits our criteria for young with good resale value.
Maybe we should look at Steven Appiah.

not very young is he?

 

[deselina]

But have you seen this guy? He looked very impressive for Liege against the Scousers, but that's a one-off.

Appiah isn't a DM.

appiah is a dm.

feillani is good but only proven in the belgium league. you should've bought kompany but anthony van der borre is still up for grabs.

 

[SpurSince57]

No, he isn't. He could do a job at DM, but it's not his natural role.

Fellaini? He looked impressive for Liege against a very poor and very lucky Liverpool, but who knows? Let's face it, unless you're Belgian you don't wath the Jupiler for fun.

Kompany—nothing special for HSV last season, except as a card generator. Unimpressive for City so far.

 

[snake1]

I know it was his debut, and he's still young, but Fellaini looked distinctly average against Stole the other day. And for £15m, I think its fair to say Everton have taken a huge gamble on him.

 

[joey55]

I don't think we necessarily need a DM, but rather a CM who turns his head to see where the opposition players are and therefore moves into position or tracks the run accordingly. For example, wether Appiah is a box to box CM or a DM, or whatever anyone cares to call him, if he is playing in midfiled for us, I'd expect him or anyone else, to make themselves aware of the movements of their opponents. Surely that's just a basic principal of midfield play? The opposition will have players making runs forward other than strikers. It's just a fact of the game and it shouldn't be necessary for us to buy a DM, when it is a basic requirement of any worthwhile CM. Gerrard and Lampard aren't DMs, yet they constantly track the runs of the opponent midfield players, even though they also have DMs playing behind them.

 

[rez9000]

Transfer policy, perhaps?

It seems that we're not allowed to make any real unequivocal statements on this site anymore without being shouted down, so I'm going to state that this is a theory or hypothesis based on what I have been able to directly observe. So before any moron decides to post a simplistic and reactionary denunciation, please bear that in mind. :up:

Anyway, as I said, from what I've directly observed, I have come to the conclusion that, when it comes to transfers, Spurs have

a) people who have absolutely no idea what they are doing in the transfer market or;

b) (more likely) we have a transfer policy that is denying us access to real quality players who's effect on the squad would be immediately tangible.
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I believe that there is fundamental flaw in every transfer we undertake, which stems from one or a very few specific criteria. I cannot say for certain what that criterion is, but I think it is what is causing us problems.

The main thing I've observed is that for the last few years, the only player that we have purchased who was both experienced in the Premiership and over the age of 25 is Jonathan Woodgate. I can't think of any players who have had both criteria. I find this exceedingly worrying.

Now, there's been talk for many a season now that we will only spend significant amounts on players who have a high resale value. If so, then I don't believe we will find the success we are all hungering for, for a number of reasons.

One is the possibility that when it comes to purchases the most important aspect of a transfer is not what can they bring to the squad, but what they can potentially bring to the bank balance. And a further detrimental effect would be that should a bid of sufficient size be made for one of our players, we would be willing to part with them. Although Daniel Levy has stated that if we have a player on a long contract then we would have no reason to sell, this has been at odds with the very major sales we made this summer. However, the transfers do fit in with the high resale value theory.

OK, keeping our spending in line with our expenditure is a wise course of action. I feel that it will be increasingly important in the coming years for clubs to ensure that they can keep their heads above water financially. However, the rewards of success are great enough I feel, to at least justify taking some risks in the transfer market.

And yet, even if our transfers are being influenced more by financial considerations than the strength of the squad, there are still potential problems:

The type of player who is likely to have good resale potential is likely to be a younger player. That carries danger, as a young player may develop and become a better and hence more valuable player, but may also go in the opposite direction and not blossom into a world-beater, subsequently causing us to take a loss on their purchase.

I cannot say that any of our purchases this summer were bad. They were all good signings. What I think has been bad has been the purchases we haven't made. Players that would have changed our squad from one with potential to one with real power. Players that we didn't sign because they didn't fit in with our current policy. So although we may have a stronger side than last year (although that has yet to be proven) we have a weaker squad than what we could have had.

Another problem with signing exclusively young or inexperienced players is that it can lead to an absence of a real leader on the pitch. If the team doesn't have that leader on the pitch, then there is no-one to rally the troops or focus their attention when things go wrong, and that can cause a team to have no shape, no drive, no edge.

I believe that, if there are restrictions of this nature on our transfers, they need to be loosened and Spurs sign players who's primary attribute is that they can enhance the squad irrespective of what they may be worth two, three or four years down the line.

Thoughts?

 

[jamesc0le]

no, you're not having any potion. not now, not ever..

 

[General Levy]

Thoughts?

I wish I could post like you.

 

[doubledecker]

Well , I think everything you have said is undeniably true. But it goes back to the time of the Carrick sale. That tore the heart out of our team that was 1 match from the Champions League. What we needed to do was to strengthen and build on what we had then. The most successful season for years. That was 2005-6. how many of that squad do we have left 3 years later ? King ( sort of ) , Dawson , Jenas and Lennon.

I dread to think how many midfielders we have bought since the end of that season. Yet we are incapable of putting out a midfield 4 that actually works so we are almost forced into playing 5 in midfield. Which maybe is just as well since we do not have 2 strikers worthy of the name.

Which brings us to Darren Bent who symbolises our present state. We did not need him , he was vastly overpriced, he does not fit our style of play. He looks completely out of his depth. Listening to people on here he is the unluckiest striker in the world. He has not been given a chance , they say ( though he has now made more than 40 appearances ! ) he gets no service . He gets no service ?? But we have spent millions on a succession of midfielders. So either Comolli and co do not know what they are doing in buying these midfielders who don't combine into a unit or our strikers led by Bent are crap. Regrettably I think the answer is both. Comolli and co have bought the wrong midfielders. And Darren Bent was a huge mistake.Some on here will say he has averaged a goal every 2 games this season. I am waiting for Mr 57 to give us that statistic. Or perhaps not.

 

[jamesc0le]

bent WAS overpriced and didn't fit our style of play before, but since levy n comolli are crap bent is gonna be very important for us feeding off scraps since we don't have a style of play anymore. i hope he plays up front supported by lennon or gio and gets a hatrick against wislaw. could kick start his and our season..

we have to play compact with one up and one mid supporting as we cannot afford to give anymore easy goals, for the sake of confidence.. cannot believe we did not do this at some point against villa

 

[Bill_Oddie]

Firstly, it's really sad you feel that way about the site, mate. If people are being retards report them. We'll deal with it. And if it's us Mods being retards, then, errr...tell Rob. :shrug:


Secondly, I'm sure we've all watched (well, not sure, but some of us certainly have) and been hugely impressed by Modric, Gio, Pavlyuchenko, Gomes, etc. These guys have been signed for the sole reason that they are bloody good players. That was the main point in buying them, not their age or sell-on value.

Also, there seems to be good evidence that we tried for Heskey and/or Owen. Possibly Diarra (though i doubt this) too. Regardless of the fact that we didn't get them, surely that shows you that the powers that be are willing to try for 'now' players? We also had Dunne ready to sign but for a guarantee of a first team place. Would you really change our transfer policy to make such a bold and restricting move? (Although I admit had we done so, I think we'd currently be plenty higher in the league).

 

[sheringmann]

the problem is that we have a sell on value policy that says we have to make a possible profit from eveyone we buy. Thats why no Laursens, Friedels or even SWPs...

 

[double0]

Its all good and well that our transfer policy is base around a certain criteria of young technically gifted footballers with re-sale vale. What should than be added to our central positions (of the woodgates) are experienced British based player who have the knowledge to compete and win game.

Looking at the Villa team they were also very young and mainly British born...with a manager that knows British football, you would not say they were individually better than what we had.

The goals Villa scored was more to do with poor defending-Huddlestone's disgraceful attempted tackle than virtually giving up the case to redeem himself followed by Bale's inexperience to cover or pick up Reo-Coker...leading onto Young's open invitation to shoot-Dawson got turned far to easy-what can you say about Gomes individual mistake.

Same O'l Tottenham ... we just can't defend.