Pascal Chimbonda

[Lanh]

Stalteri is a good RB albeit not so great coming forward.

Tell West Ham that

 

[Bruts]

why are people suddenly saying stalteri can do a decent job?? 2 years ago everyone blamed him for us missing out on a champs league place.

 

[SE26YID]

I'm a streamer mate. Like I said saw each and every single game in those competitions and a few of the Carling Cup matches too.

He cost us goals in the FA Quarters, the Carling Semi and the UEFA quarters, effectively knocking us out of each fucking competition.

Because for some reason they believe the hype around the joke of a defender who cost us advancing in all three cup competitions and who arguably cost us fourth with his lax defensive displays.

He may have cost us the odd goal but in terms of individual errors. But so did quite a few players. Including the fans faves Robb and Daws as much as anyone else.

In my opinion the fact that as a team we bottled most leads we got and sat really deep with a keeper who doesnt like to come off his line was the reason behind most of the goals we conceded. As much as I love Jol the mentality of sitting deep on a lead doesnt work for us. Time and again it cost us in my eyes.

I went to most home games last year and watched as many of the aways as I could on TV and I would put Chimbo in our top 4 players.

I suppose its all about opinions but I think he's great, Jol likes him and thats good enough for me.

 

[Wellspurs]

Fuck the Chavs they made sure we didn't get Duff or Parker.
We don't really know what Chimbo wants so reserve you wrath for a while!

 

[Kendall]

am I the only one who doesn't give much of a shit about whether our lb & rb are good going forward?

we have a whole team of players who are great going forward, I want fucking defenders!

 

[Bruts]

He may have cost us the odd goal but in terms of individual errors. But so did quite a few players. Including the fans faves Robb and Daws as much as anyone else.

In my opinion the fact that as a team we bottled most leads we got and sat really deep with a keeper who doesnt like to come off his line was the reason behind most of the goals we conceded. As much as I love Jol the mentality of sitting deep on a lead doesnt work for us. Time and again it cost us in my eyes.

I went to most home games last year and watched as many of the aways as I could on TV and I would put Chimbo in our top 4 players.

I suppose its all about opinions but I think he's great, Jol likes him and thats good enough for me.

:clap: i missed 2 games all season home and away and i agree 100 % with you

 

[South_London_Spur]

Whilst he has 'cost us' with some individual defensive mistakes I think he is one of the best RBs in the Prem and we should keep him.

I only want players at Spurs who want to be there though so if he indicates he wants to go (which according to ITK in the read only thread he has) get rid and concentrate on a replacement. Alves anyone for net 8 million?

EDIT: The official site says hes 27 not 30 BTW.

 

[Lanh]

why are people suddenly saying stalteri can do a decent job?? 2 years ago everyone blamed him for us missing out on a champs league place.

Not me mate. I blame the African Nation's Cup. Mido was never the same after that.

He may have cost us the odd goal but in terms of individual errors. But so did quite a few players. Including the fans faves Robb and Daws as much as anyone else.

Robbo yes, but Dawson was unfairly judged last season. His error rate doubled from the season before because most of the time he was either left 2 on 1 or covering RB because of Chimbonda's dreadful defending.

I would put Chimbo in our top 4 players.

Then I am also glad that the fans don't pick the team because he was in the bottom four as far as I am concerned. He was absolutely fucking awful and like I said is responsible for all our cup exits.

 

[Shanks]

Malbranque was the reason we went out of the Uefa Cup.

TBH, I do like Chimb as a player, I don't think he is a better defender than Salty, but he gives us more options than Salty.
Although someone above said, we need defenders...

And its evident for all to see, we leaked far too many goals last season, I remember a lot came from the right flank, were as season before most came from the left.

Chimbs inability to pick up a running attacker from set peices did cost us last year, and for £12 mill, I would take it..... although dependant on replacement as I wouldn't be that confident in Salty being our number 1 RB

 

[SE26YID]

Not me mate. I blame the African Nation's Cup. Mido was never the same after that.
Robbo yes, but Dawson was unfairly judged last season. His error rate doubled from the season before because most of the time he was either left 2 on 1 or covering RB because of Chimbonda's dreadful defending.


Then I am also glad that the fans don't pick the team because he was in the bottom four as far as I am concerned. He was absolutely fucking awful and like I said is responsible for all our cup exits.

If you really did watch nearly all of our matches how on earth can you blame Chimbo for our cup exits? So the fact we botteld the Chelsea game we were 3-1 up in was chimbo's fault?

The fact we were knocked out by a very good Seville side was Chimbo's fault?

So ref's, Jol's tactics, other teams brilliance, lack of defensive cover in crucial matches, that was all Chimbo's fault? Do me a favour.

I would say Chimbo was one of our better players if not the best in some of the games we as a team were at our worst in.

I cannot understand why you think he's so bad but nevermind.

I remember the days of going to games and some fans were booing Ginger Pele or Dean Richards and I was p!ssed off with that but could understand it a bit.

Now we have fans who claim one of the best RB's in our league (I say the best) is awful. I cannot fathom our fans sometimes. A bit of loyalty wouldnt go a miss, it swings both ways.

 

[Lanh]

Malbranque was the reason we went out of the Uefa Cup.

See even with Malbranque's influence we would still have won on aggregate. It was Chimbonda's unwillingness to even make an attempt to stop/hold up Kanoute that cost us the place.

I know people blame Zokora but he was 2 on 1 thanks to Chimbonda's complete lack of effort, it was easy for them to pass round him, and once Kanoute had the ball again Zokora was coming from behind, any tackle, even a well-timed one would have resulted in Kanoute tumbling like he'd been shot and we know how bad the ref was.

However, if Chimbonda had done the job he was assigned to do, he'd have most likely been able to intercept the ball before Kanoute got it back, and if not that he'd at least have been in Kanoute's way, holding him up, or dispossessing him.

Kanoute may have still scored, but thanks to Chimbonda refusing to do anything even remotely close to defending, he didn't actually move at all until Kanoute was central, we will never know, and that is, for me, what put us out.

I'd be saying exactly the same if Leapy had performed in such a pathetic, non-committed manner in such a bloody important game too. We had the winning of that cup, we were easily the best side in the competition. I doubt I'll ever forgive him for not even trying, to me that is completely unforgivable for the defender.

 

[sloth]

Posted at 10.25am

What I can't understand is why anyone would be willing to pay so much for him!!!

As Carl has pointed out he is probably the single biggest reason for us conceding goals last season, he was dire as a defender almost as bad going forward and probably should have been third choice (fourth if you consider Leapy can cover that side too) RB behind Stalteri and Ifil. I'd even go as far as to say that if we'd not had Chimbonda in the side we'd have finished fourth and won a Cup or two.

FFS, Mourinho's one of the best managers in world football, can't he see how useless Chimbo is, i mean he's the same age as Leapy (who's one of the top five full-backs in the world btw) and yet commands ten times the transfer fee, not that I'm complaining mind you... except Jol can't seem to see it either and he works with him every day and neither can Comolli who's supposed to be our main talent spotter and now they're apparently rejecting this offer... are they insane...?

I tell you what, I despair of our club sometimes, why can't they see what I do?? It's so f*cking obvious!!! Well there's either something wrong with them or me and I know it's not me because i play Football Manager and often win and I've been watching football for ten years, since I was four...!! So, it's them. Idiots. :wink:

Posted at 1.20pm

I'm a streamer mate. Like I said saw each and every single game in those competitions and a few of the Carling Cup matches too.

He cost us goals in the FA Quarters, the Carling Semi and the UEFA quarters, effectively knocking us out of each fucking competition.

Because for some reason they believe the hype around the joke of a defender who cost us advancing in all three cup competitions and who arguably cost us fourth with his lax defensive displays.

Anyway, like i say, Carl's absolutely right, Mourinho's clearly insane, how he got to be a football manager is beyond me when he makes such absurd decisions!

Imo, it's purest luck that Mourinho won those titles and cups and this is the proof!

As for Jol, Levy and Commolli, what are they on??? I mean they work with the guy week in week out so they must know how sh*t he is!! Couldn't they see he cost us those cups and fourth??? They should be paying Chelsea to take him off our hands!!!

What it comes down to is either me and Carl don't have a clue or Jol, Mourinho, Comolli et al don't. And I'm sure the rest of the forum will agree it's not me and Carl. After all we watched the whole season almost on an internet stream and we play football manager (quite well actually!).

So sort it out Spurs, sell the useless piece of sh*t, promote Leapy to captain, president and master of the universe (he's the fifth best full-back in the world remember) and let's win the title next year...

COYS (especially Leapy)

 

[Lanh]

If you really did watch nearly all of our matches how on earth can you blame Chimbo for our cup exits? So the fact we botteld the Chelsea game we were 3-1 up in was chimbo's fault?

He was fucking awful in that game, so much so that Stalteri was charged with silencing Robben and did so to the point where Robben was removed from play. He was equally as bad in the replay.

The fact we were knocked out by a very good Seville side was Chimbo's fault?

See my last post in this thread.

So ref's, Jol's tactics, other teams brilliance, lack of defensive cover in crucial matches, that was all Chimbo's fault? Do me a favour.

You do me a favour and get your head out of your rectum.

The poor reffing never cost us, even with the dodgy pen we'd have gone through if not for Malbranue and Chimbonda fucking up. Even with the poor reffing and Malbranue fucking up we'd have gone through if Chimbonda had bothered his arse to do his fucking job.

Lack of defensive cover, other teams brilliance, whatever other excuse you want to come up with, they're all fucking bollocks because he simple fact is that Chimbonda could have stopped or at least attempted to stop Kanoute simply by doing his fucking job instead of fucking watching and we'd have been through. Simple as that.

I cannot understand why you think he's so bad but nevermind.

That's easy mate, you're in denial.

A bit of loyalty wouldnt go a miss, it swings both ways.

How loyal was Chimbonda when he gave away a penalty in the CC and was so woefully out of position that JJ had to cover and ended up giving away another penalty coming from behind into a position that Chimbonda should have been covering.

How loyal is it to stand and watch as a player of ours watches leaves his team-mate 2 on 1 and watches as that team-mate struggles to do his own and your job too while you stand watching? He didn't just do that against Seville, he did it all fucking season long leaving Dawson exposed in the same way.

 

[Joey]

am I the only one who doesn't give much of a shit about whether our lb & rb are good going forward?

we have a whole team of players who are great going forward, I want fucking defenders!

I tend to agree with you here!

Also I dont think that its the end of the world seeing Chimbo leaving for 12 mil should he go. Stalteri got a lot of undeserved stick on here, playing a part in a defence of 05/06 that let in considerably less goals than the one Chimbo was in! Dont get me wrong Chimbo is very good, but Stalteri is a solid professional.

 

[Lanh]

am I the only one who doesn't give much of a shit about whether our lb & rb are good going forward?

Absolutely not. I agree totally. Full-backs need to defend first and foremost.

 

[bubble07]

this would clearly be a step backwards if we sold him. We can't keep making one step forward and then one step back. Its great to know that the top 4 clubs want some of our players but we have to say no. end of. If we sell him it would be a massive sign of a lack of ambition and we would then be known as a selling club to the Cl teams.

Chimbonda has 3 years left on his contract so there is no need to sell him. If we do who would we get thats better?

Everyone is saying 12m is good money but we bought him for 6m and the 6m profit we make would then be needed to buy a replacement

WE NEED A SETTLED SIDE

I would be extremly pissed off if we sell him (unless we get robben in exchange that is)

There just isn't many good right backs around at the moment and we have the best in the premiership and one of the best in europe

 

[sloth]

If you really did watch nearly all of our matches how on earth can you blame Chimbo for our cup exits? So the fact we botteld the Chelsea game we were 3-1 up in was chimbo's fault?

The fact we were knocked out by a very good Seville side was Chimbo's fault?

So ref's, Jol's tactics, other teams brilliance, lack of defensive cover in crucial matches, that was all Chimbo's fault? Do me a favour.

I would say Chimbo was one of our better players if not the best in some of the games we as a team were at our worst in.

I cannot understand why you think he's so bad but nevermind.

I remember the days of going to games and some fans were booing Ginger Pele or Dean Richards and I was p!ssed off with that but could understand it a bit.

Now we have fans who claim one of the best RB's in our league (I say the best) is awful. I cannot fathom our fans sometimes. A bit of loyalty wouldnt go a miss, it swings both ways.

Yeah SE26Yid, me and Carl watched loads of games over the internet last year (and I mean loads) and we play Football Manager and both of us can see that Chimbo is sh*t.

Plus I just think that Jol, Comolli and Mourinho are too close to the game. You know, they're so busy working that they don't get the perspective that me and Carl get from the internet. We're kind of like Allardyce sitting in the stands, but even better because we're even further away and so have even more perspective (and we play Football manager, which Allardyce probably doesn't).

As for the rest of you on this forum, well I just think you probably don't watch as much as we do, or think about football as much and you're a bit unsophisticated too if I'm honest and one thing i can say with confidence is that we'd probably be better than you on Football Manager. That's for sure :wink:

COYS (especially Leapy)!!

 

[DC_Boy]

Surely the ref cost us the Seville game - not only the ridiculous and tie-changing pen - but his continual calling of fouls by us that never were - prime example the 'foul' by Lee that led to their 2nd

oh and his refusal to clamp down on the Seville diving

back to Chimbo - if he wants to stay we should kep him - if he wants to go and we can £12m+ - fine

as for p/ex - same criteria - if we can get Diarra/SWP fine - but only if they want to come - not cos they're pushed out by CFC

 

[Yid-ol]

it will be a loss losing Chimbonda, he is a good player and was a big part in our team last season, but the price of £12million would be too tempting :lol: but it all depends on who we will get to replace him that is the key here

i just cant think of many if any players that we could get that would be an improvment off the top of my head

 

[bubble07]

plus chimbonda is very good in the air which is a strength that not many other spurs players have