Paul Robinson Transfer To Blackburn Complete

[Dougal]

David James is had a rough time and made it back to form through self belief and support. We offer support to Robbo and he'll be not only back to his best, but better. He's only 28, nowhere near peaking as a keeper and I think far too many people deem it acceptable to write off players who they previously heralded. Whether this apllies to you or not, I have no idea.

 

[Michey]

So he's still around. Seems he's tough to pass on to other teams.....dammit

 

[Insomnia]

Because of the instant success, money driven way that football now works. Any player on form will be worth more than one off form and overall "value" of a player changes so quickly that using cost is a silly way to compare.

The reason Hart would cost so much more, despite his relative inexperience, is because he's young, he's on form, he's at a premiership club pushing for european games and it's another premiership club who want him. Whereas the hype surrounding Robbo being the youngest English keeper in decades, the man who organised the 2nd meanest defence for 2 seasons running and loyal to his club - all that's died down now and, after being treated like a muggins by the club, given no facility to develop his skills, train properly, or develop a relationship with the merry-go-round that was our defence, he's now suffered for it.

We physically devalued him, that's why he's worth so much less now.

Nailed,in one hit:clap:

 

[Krafty]

The main reason why I think we need to get rid of Robbo is not only is he making big errors, flapping at crosses and stuff like the Hunt goal for Reading at the Lane, but technically he is getting worse.

His foot movement from long shots and free kicks is terrible, he is too flat footed, and he is not good at getting too crosses (doesnt take the ball at its highest point, doesnt jump high enough)

Maybe the new coach could improve him, but I think confidence is so low in him he eneds to move, a bit like James did

 

[brasil_spur]

David James got his game back after undertaking some serious fitness trainging as well as getting some sports therapy guidance of some type or other.

I think if we can get Robbo to sign up to this then there is a chance, and Ramos is a fan of the fitness training, so who knows?? :shrug:

 

[SpurSince57]

It ain't one season people. Short term memory. Two years ago Robbo was the worst keeper in the league. In fact in one statistical analysis (was it from the Times?) he ranked 402 out of 402 players in the EPL on performance. This season just proved that season's form was the norm

The question is, apart for that first brilliant year, has Robbo ever been really that good?

It's starting to look like that was the fluke

That statistical 'analysis' was a complete joke, though; I suspect it was partly intended to wind up Spurs fans, and partly the press gang's ritual Robbo-bashing. In the ACTIM Index for 2006-2007 he was in the top 50 or 60—which I'd say was on the high side.

 

[DogsOfWar]

3 seasons ago Robbo's save ratio was around 66%
2 seasons ago Robbo's save ratio was around 61%
Last season it was around 65% (although that includes Cerny so it could be slightly better or worse)

When you consider the worst Premiership performers are around 60% and the best around 80% it shows that Robbo is below average, and has been since he first came here.

The issue has only been noticed by the fans because the overall amount of shots we have conceded in the last couple of seasons has shot up and therefore so has the amount of goals we have let in.

Replacing Robbo will not solve all the defensive woes of last season but nevertheless he does need replacing.

 

[talkshowhost86]

3 seasons ago Robbo's save ratio was around 66%
2 seasons ago Robbo's save ratio was around 61%
Last season it was around 65% (although that includes Cerny so it could be slightly better or worse)

When you consider the worst Premiership performers are around 60% and the best around 80% it shows that Robbo is below average, and has been since he first came here.

The issue has only been noticed by the fans because the overall amount of shots we have conceded in the last couple of seasons has shot up and therefore so has the amount of goals we have let in.

Replacing Robbo will not solve all the defensive woes of last season but nevertheless he does need replacing.

Those stats don't show Robbo's main problem which is on crosses where he simply doesn't command enough which causes panic for everyone else.

 

[SpurSince57]

3 seasons ago Robbo's save ratio was around 66%
2 seasons ago Robbo's save ratio was around 61%
Last season it was around 65% (although that includes Cerny so it could be slightly better or worse)

When you consider the worst Premiership performers are around 60% and the best around 80% it shows that Robbo is below average, and has been since he first came here.

The issue has only been noticed by the fans because the overall amount of shots we have conceded in the last couple of seasons has shot up and therefore so has the amount of goals we have let in.

Replacing Robbo will not solve all the defensive woes of last season but nevertheless he does need replacing.

110 saves, 38 goals conceded. I think you'll find that's 75%, or as near as makes no difference. Cech made 61 saves, conceded 22. Can I leave you to do the sums unassisted?

 

[double0]

You just have to laugh at some people.

 

[SpurSince57]

And which people would those be? The terminally arithmetically challenged? Those who post that a groundshare with the Orient would be a viable option?

Mocking the afflicted is very naughty. But it's fun.

You, presumably, can't do the sums unassisted either.

 

[Rocksuperstar]

110 saves, 38 goals conceded. I think you'll find that's 75%, or as near as makes no difference. Cech made 61 saves, conceded 22. Can I leave you to do the sums unassisted?

proves mostly what i always argued was one of Robbos biggest problems - look how many saves he had to make and STILL conceded that many, compared to Cech :|

Our defence let him take so much and he made almost double the number of stops to the worlds most prolific keeper. Why's he the best? Cos he has a defence and midfield that can attack AND defend, without looking like a bunch of wombles.

 

[SpurSince57]

Figures for the last three seasons are still available at http://telegraph.jumpmediagroup.com/PlayerStat.aspx?p1id=5127&p2id=3789

 

[nidge]

Something people seem to be forgetting is that we as a club have a tendancy in recent times to completely ruin very good goalkeepers. Nearly every keeper we have had recently had at least a decent first season and then their decline begins after prolonged coaching within our club.

Then this season when Jol, Hughton and Segers were sacked and we brought in Ramos instead of getting a top class goalkeeping coach at that time we promoted the academy coach to look after our first team keepers. Take the quote from Comolli when we finally appointed a first team goalkeeping coach.

“Perry has done a fantastic job during his time with the First Team and I would like to thank him for his work. I know Juande has appreciated his commitment and efforts, but Perry’s passion lies with coaching younger goalkeepers- he was keen to return to his position within our Academy, that is a great ideal to have and we are delighted to have him at the Club.”

That bit in bold to me suggests that he isn't up to the job of coaching our first team keepers yet that is all we have had since the change in management and yet people on here still expected massive changes in how our keepers were performing.

As I have said our club quite shamefully has ruined too many keepers recently for my liking and hopefully our new GK coach can turn that trend around.

 

[double0]

We never really replaced Erik "The Viking" Thorstvedt.:grin:

 

[DogsOfWar]

110 saves, 38 goals conceded. I think you'll find that's 75%, or as near as makes no difference. Cech made 61 saves, conceded 22. Can I leave you to do the sums unassisted?

Sorry SS57, but ((38/110) * 100) gives the goals conceded to shots on target ratio which is 34.54%.
Then taking it away from 100 (100 - 34.54) gives us the save ratio instead.

Which gives 65.46% as a save ratio.

 

[spurious1]

Sorry SS57, but ((38/110) * 100) gives the goals conceded to shots on target ratio which is 34.54%.
Then taking it away from 100 (100 - 34.54) gives us the save ratio instead.

Which gives 65.46% as a save ratio.

Um, not to be pedantic, but I assume that the goals also count as shots on target! So Robbo saved 110/148 ~ 74 % and Cech 61/83 ~ 73%. Which seem pretty comparable...

 

[Rocksuperstar]

MATH FIGHT!!!

Who cares - he should never have had to make 110 saves in the first place! :|

 

[DogsOfWar]

Um, not to be pedantic, but I assume that the goals also count as shots on target! So Robbo saved 110/148 ~ 74 % and Cech 61/83 ~ 73%. Which seem pretty comparable...

Apologies, I was using the old OPTA figures which had us down as 112 shots on target with 38 conceded which equates to around 66%. I assumed SS57 was using a similar number from the Telegraph but after looking they have 110 as how many saves he made.

The trouble is now we have an argument over who's stats are more reliable, OPTA or the Telegraph and there is no answer to that one, especially as their last two seasons pretty much tie up with each other.

 

[AirTito]

reguardless of these numbers that everyone seems to be throwing out robbo should be our keeper for next season... faith in him should go along way with his confidence