Pav's off...

[onthetwo]

You're kidding right?

He's been overlooked by Redknapp, had three strikers bought in ahead of him. Was our best striker in pre season, and looked like forming a decent partnership with JD last season. Yet has been completely overlooked this season. Even when Robbie Keane has been poor in all bar a couple of games, when Defoe has been injured etc.

I can't blame him one bit for wanting to move, he deserved a chance and was never given one.

Not kidding at all - he gets close to 0/10 in the BMJ 'Dop Mendalidy' test for his attitude. Got injured (not Harry's fault) came back and hasnt looked up for a fight IMO. No-one has the right to be 'given a chance', it has to be earned. Instead of trying to do that he has just moaned like a girl (sorry ladies) "I have to play for Spurs in order to get picked for Russia (not our problem)." "I have to be allowed to leave for a sensible price...." "I have to play more..." You dont see the link do you? If i had the money i would pay and drive him to play for a new team...PAVLYCHENKO FC where he will a) play every week, b) be the star c) have no-one else to blame other than himself.

The only joke is on us for paying up for this clown and i dont care how good you think he could be, he doesnt have the brains or inclination to make it in a top team.

 

[we_all_loved_freund]

Yea, until Harry bought back Keane and Defoe.

He actually looked like doing well with JD towards the end of last season and was good in pre-season too. Then we bought fucking Crouch.

The main reason we bought Keane and JD back though was because Pav and Bent weren't up to the job. If Pav had of been playing well we wouldn't have needed to bring them back. He had half a season to make himself the first choice striker, I know he had already played a lot of football but he really was shockingly bad in that period.

Pav has only ever shown flashes of potential for us. I know he has a good record at international level but so did Milan Baros and, as I said in another thread, Michael Ricketts showed flashes of brilliance, it doesn't mean they are good enough to be playing for us week in week out.

I can only judge him on what I have seen. For us he has been completely inept in almost every way. I remember thinking after his first game against Villa, yes he is coming into a new league, but the ball isn't a different shape, it still bounces in the same way, there isn't really an excuse for not being able to control the ball and make simple passes.

When he has had the chance to stake his claim for a more prominent role he hasn't risen to the challenge, what can Harry do? Just say "ok, I know you have never really showen me that you have any great potential but you know what, I'll leave these guys out who are performing well, or have proven that they have ability, and play you instead Pav"?

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Im kinda angry this guy havent gotten more pitchtime....

I think he has been good the times he has come on this season...A definite impactplayer!

Oh well! his goalratio is kinda low, but he'll bang them in for any other team I'm sure....

mg:

 

[bubble07]

4 would have been the optimal amount had Keane and defoe not been able to form a partnership but since they can 3 is optimal

 

[worcestersauce]

I've been saying for a few months that he'd be off as he's really got no option so doesn't surprise me.
Sad but it seems he's just the wrong player, wrong club, wrong league at the wrong time, I know it sounds strange but he seems too pleasant or even happy to get the ump and put some noses out of joint he needs to get a bit nasty perhaps.

The thing about four strikers is a bit misleading, from what I remember the only real success was Man utd in 1999 and Ferguson really played that as two pairs, Sherringham/Solskjar and Cole/York rather than a 1st, 2nd, 3rd & 4th striker.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Not sorry to see him leave, but wish him all the best if he does go. But it wont be to anyone good and there's no chance of him 'coming back to haunt us'.

It's not his fault, he seems a nice enough guy who said the right things last season, but he is just is simply not very good. Odd flash of brilliance, but then so has Bobby Zamora.

At the end of the day we were the mugs that paid the money for him when there was hardly a mad rush for his signature.

 

[kaz Hirai]

shame, i think he is twice the player of crouch

 

[spurs mental]

The main reason we bought Keane and JD back though was because Pav and Bent weren't up to the job. If Pav had of been playing well we wouldn't have needed to bring them back. He had half a season to make himself the first choice striker, I know he had already played a lot of football but he really was shockingly bad in that period.

Pav has only ever shown flashes of potential for us. I know he has a good record at international level but so did Milan Baros and, as I said in another thread, Michael Ricketts showed flashes of brilliance, it doesn't mean they are good enough to be playing for us week in week out.

I can only judge him on what I have seen. For us he has been completely inept in almost every way. I remember thinking after his first game against Villa, yes he is coming into a new league, but the ball isn't a different shape, it still bounces in the same way, there isn't really an excuse for not being able to control the ball and make simple passes.

When he has had the chance to stake his claim for a more prominent role he hasn't risen to the challenge, what can Harry do? Just say "ok, I know you have never really showen me that you have any great potential but you know what, I'll leave these guys out who are performing well, or have proven that they have ability, and play you instead Pav"?

He hasn't had a chance this season!! Even though he was our best striker in pre-season!! Which is ludicrous.

Obviously, Harry has been in football a long time, and is by far and away one of the best judges of a footballer, but moving Pav on, who, IMO, could be better than Crouch, GIVEN THE CHANCE AND OPPURTUNITY, would be a big mistake.

What does Crouch bring to our team that Pav couldn't at the moment?

shame, i think he is twice the player of crouch

:clap:

 

[Adam456]

You're kidding right?

He's been overlooked by Redknapp, had three strikers bought in ahead of him. Was our best striker in pre season, and looked like forming a decent partnership with JD last season. Yet has been completely overlooked this season. Even when Robbie Keane has been poor in all bar a couple of games, when Defoe has been injured etc.

I can't blame him one bit for wanting to move, he deserved a chance and was never given one.

He's not kidding but he should be. Totally agree - given little time to settle before all of the criticism. And after a full season and no break. Was not really much worse than Drogba and Ronaldo given price and reputation in his first season

 

[nightgoat]

The main reason we bought Keane and JD back though was because Pav and Bent weren't up to the job. If Pav had of been playing well we wouldn't have needed to bring them back. He had half a season to make himself the first choice striker, I know he had already played a lot of football but he really was shockingly bad in that period.

Harry was always going to buy Defoe back (and we shouldn't have sold him anyway), but at that point our strikers were Bent, Pavlyuchenko (who was cup-tied in Europe) and Campbell (who wasn't even being used a lot anyway)... Be it Defoe or someone else, we would have bought a striker in January because we desperately needed one... Keane was then only bought back as a panic buy because Defoe got injured and Liverpool wanted to get shot of him because he wasn't very good as a winger...

 

[Spurs_Bear]

He hasn't had a chance this season!! Even though he was our best striker in pre-season!! Which is ludicrous.

Obviously, Harry has been in football a long time, and is by far and away one of the best judges of a footballer, but moving Pav on, who, IMO, could be better than Crouch, GIVEN THE CHANCE AND OPPURTUNITY, would be a big mistake.

What does Crouch bring to our team that Pav couldn't at the moment?



:clap:

Abigail Clancy.

EDIT:.........but if we are talking football, then a general understanding of the game, plus the ability to win a header, and general work ethic come to mind, as well as no doubt other things.

I wish Pav no harm....at all. He seems like a really nice bloke and always said the right things about the fans etc, he just is simply not very good.

 

[spursman85]

Anyone hear about this incident of Redknapp calling Crouch an idiot? Might well be making mountains out of molehills, probably said in jest or some appropriate context, but still, not a nice thing to have printed in the papers.

 

[Lanh]

What? As in turn around and touch your toes?

No, the more modern sense of the phrase. :lol:

 

[jurgen]

Football is in the here and now though isn't it - and Pav had chances last season to show Harry he could be our new big man, and clearly didn't impress enough. On the one hand I've liked Pav, but then I think, is that because he's Russian and its rather fun and unique to have a Russian player, and would I have judged him in the same way were he English? No I wouldn't, and although he plundered a fair few goals last season and some important ones at that, even the derided Crouch has been able to put in more "shifts" for the team, despite their problems with his height.

He's definitely no impact player, and its strange that people want to jump on Keane EVEN when he scores a goal (or four), yet we keep hearing about these "flashes" of talent Pav almost always failed to extrapolate into a full games work. Its weird because for Russia he seemed to be constantly running but maybe he's never convinced Harry he'll be able to deal with the pace of the game in England. I wouldn't be upset about him leaving should we be able to find a good deal for him - though I wonder whether Defoe-Keane-Crouch would ever be a three to take us to the CL, I guess thats another debate.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Anyone hear about this incident of Redknapp calling Crouch an idiot? Might well be making mountains out of molehills, probably said in jest or some appropriate context, but still, not a nice thing to have printed in the papers.

He told him that after he was pictured hanging out the top of that car while on the piss in London. So to be fair, Harry could have called him a lot worse.

 

[nightgoat]

Anyone hear about this incident of Redknapp calling Crouch an idiot? Might well be making mountains out of molehills, probably said in jest or some appropriate context, but still, not a nice thing to have printed in the papers.

It was when Crouch was pictured in a nightclub, that was Harry's telling off...

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_5687945,00.html

The way Crouch references it, it sounds like there's no trouble there...

 

[spurs mental]

Abigail Clancy.

EDIT:.........but if we are talking football, then a general understanding of the game, plus the ability to win a header, and general work ethic come to mind, as well as no doubt other things.

I wish Pav no harm....at all. He seems like a really nice bloke and always said the right things about the fans etc, he just is simply not very good.

He did that well at the weekend once, for Keane's goal. That's about it.

He's good for defending set pieces, like he did well against Stoke.

Apart from that I haven't seen much from Crouch to show that he's much better than Pav, in all honesty.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

He's not kidding but he should be. Totally agree - given little time to settle before all of the criticism. And after a full season and no break. Was not really much worse than Drogba and Ronaldo given price and reputation in his first season

How utterly absurd to compare Pav's first season to Ronaldo's.

Pav was a 26 yr old player who should have been nearing his peak, and Ronaldo was a 19 yr old who cost 12m. And scored 10 goals as an out and out winger in his first season.

Pav scored 5 in 30 league appearances.

Bizarre.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

He did that well at the weekend once, for Keane's goal. That's about it.

He's good for defending set pieces, like he did well against Stoke.

Apart from that I haven't seen much from Crouch to show that he's much better than Pav, in all honesty.

Still more times than Pav in the whole of last season then.:wink:

People have their different opinions mate, I know longer watch football with my old man as he is convinced Palacios is our weak link.....

 

[spurs mental]

Still more times than Pav in the whole of last season then.:wink:

People have their different opinions mate, I know longer watch football with my old man as he is convinced Palacios is our weak link.....

:lol:

Fair enough. :up: We can agree to disagree, I suppose.

I think my liking of Pav comes from his goal against Liverpool last season in the league too though. For me, playing Liverpool is the second biggest game, a lot of my mates are pool fans. What a day that was.

I may eventually warm to Crouch. A couple of important goals, in big games perhaps. But just not yet.