PGMOL should apologise to club & fans.

[dudu]

And that's exactly the point. We were thoroughly outplayed in the first half, but Man City didn't take their chances and as a result we should have been still in the game. Last season they outplayed us first half but only took one chance, we came back into it and won 3-1. As it was, this game was effectively ended by the officials.

only for 30 mins of the first half. We were the equal if not better team for the last 15

 

[0-Tibsy-0]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ael-Dawson-wrong-calls-impact-title-race.html

If Graham Poll is saying both decisions were wrong....

Anyway, though that is frustrating, if we're being honest-apart from 20 minutes yesterday we were absolutely shit with no clue of how we should be playing and with the wrong personnel on the pitch...that should be the more worrying thing....

 

[nidge]

Ok so isn't Rose grabbing Dzeko's hand before he makes contact with the ball? Does that make it a pen? I am not sure.

And secondly if Ade is classed as interfering with play then offside is the correct decision.

 

[YidNick]

Ok so isn't Rose grabbing Dzeko's hand before he makes contact with the ball? Does that make it a pen? I am not sure.

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And secondly if Ade is classed as interfering with play then offside is the correct decision.

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The problem with the offside is that the official said he flagged for Dawson being in an offside position, so ultimately the goal should have stood.

 

[0-Tibsy-0]

Ok so isn't Rose grabbing Dzeko's hand before he makes contact with the ball? Does that make it a pen? I am not sure.

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And secondly if Ade is classed as interfering with play then offside is the correct decision.

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IF Ade is, however BT Sport had it confirmed to them that the offside was given on DAWSON, which is the incorrect call. Also, I m going to go with Graham Poll, the ex referee who has watched numerous replays and said it is clearly a good tackle..

 

[littlemandefoe]

4 massive mistakes from the same linesman, in order:

1) wrongly disallows Dawson goal for offside
2) Wrongly gives penalty when referee has already pointed for a corner
3) this forces Rose to be sent off
4) misses an obvious offside for Dzeko goal to make it 3-0

So when it was 3-0 both sides had scored 1 legitimate goal each and it should gave been 11 vs 11.

Officials make mistakes but this was incompetence way beyond what should be seen as reasonably acceptable, even if City were the better side, which they undoubtedly were the fact remains that 1 linesman decided the whole game.

People pay a lot of money to go to football and deserve the officiating to be at the very least a reasonable standard, this guy just didn't have a clue!

How? Adebayor who was offside when the ball was played made an attempt to play the ball... Therefor he is offside and it was the correct decision.

 

[CowInAComa]

Don't be ridiculous. We were outplayed. Once again capitulating when a decision does not go our way.

You lot wouldn't be out of place on RAWK.

Youre not wrong. They were far better than us, and once again we showed our lack of discipline and fight when things go against us.

We are certainly our own worst enemy. But it really doesnt help when are second and third worst enemies are the linesman and referee.

Thank fuck we dont have to play them again.

 

[Bobbyh99]

I think the offside decision was ultimately correct although for Ade not Dawson as Ade was interfering!
The penalty definitely wasn't a penalty and should not have been a red card.

Having said all that I think the scoreline would have been a bit easier on the eye but the result would have stayed the same. City we considerably better than us all over the pitch.

 

[CowInAComa]

The problem with the offside is that the official said he flagged for Dawson being in an offside position, so ultimately the goal should have stood.

The basis of his decision (Dawson) was wrong. The actual decision to call an offside was probably right (Adebayor).

The right call for the wrong reason in my opinion.
The penalty decision was appalling though, and that was the final nail in our coffin really, we had a glimmer of hope before that.

 

[lenny7]

It was 10 v 13.

 

[ExpatFan]

Really annoyed with Sherwood's reaction to it after the game. What is it about spurs managers? Every official in the game must know by now that no matter how bad you screw us over, no matter how horrendous their errors, no matter if you literally hand the game to our opponents and no matter how crucial the game, you will never take any heat from our club.

There are no consequences for screwing us over with multiple bad decisions.

If you think it hasn't crossed an officials mind when making a call against a team managed by mourinho, Fergie and wenger what kind of shit will follow then you are very naive.

No referee has ever thought "ooh, not sure about that. I'd better not give it cos, [jol, Harry! AVB, sherwood] etc will give me he'll in the press after the game."

To my surprise I've been impressed with Sherwood so far, but that was bad management last night.

Absolutely agree on this. Wish I could do so more than once. Been like this for years.

 

[Danners9]

Absolutely agree on this. Wish I could do so more than once. Been like this for years.

I agree, but I think it's wise to pick your battles. If it was a 1-0 defeat and really had an impact on the final score, or a narrow win that we got away with - or one like Lazio last year where there were 3 disallowed ( http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ttenham-0-Lazio-0-Spurs-disallowed-goals.html ) - i think the manager would be on safer ground.

You just know that the comments will be turned into 'we would have won but...' after a 5-1 defeat. Which isn't the case, however it would have made the second half more of a contest and you never know.

 

[ExpatFan]

Ye

Not sure how many of how you noticed it but during the Rose decision Kompany went up to the referee said a few things( according to the commentator he said it was a goal scoring opportunity so it should be red). Then the referee nodded and Kompany walked away looking happy knowing his message was well recieved

More often than not the opposition(city players) would have ganged up on the referee but in this case they didn't presumably because Kompany had played his part

I have been watching football for almost a decade now but have never seen a Referee so easily influenced. For me that's the worst decision I have ever witness purely for how easily it was influenced

Yes, I noticed that too. And that's exactly what the commentator on the feed I was watching said.

 

[Riandor]

Not sure how many of how you noticed it but during the Rose decision Kompany went up to the referee said a few things( according to the commentator he said it was a goal scoring opportunity so it should be red). Then the referee nodded and Kompany walked away looking happy knowing his message was well recieved

More often than not the opposition(city players) would have ganged up on the referee but in this case they didn't presumably because Kompany had played his part

I have been watching football for almost a decade now but have never seen a Referee so easily influenced. For me that's the worst decision I have ever witness purely for how easily it was influenced

However...
As the Linesman (correctly or incorrectly) had informed Mariner that it was a foul, then it is irrelevant what Kompany says, because the Ref is perfectly aware that it was a clear scoring opportunity. The only debate here is if it is a foul or not, as by the letter of the law Mariner was perfectly correct to send Rose off after a decision had been made that it was a penalty. Harsh or not...

I do not believe Kompany influenced this one bit. Let's face it, if it had been a foul against us we would be crying out for a red card too, citing every shred of evidence we could about last man, clear scoring opportunity etc etc...

 

[Dov67]

Not sure how many of how you noticed it but during the Rose decision Kompany went up to the referee said a few things( according to the commentator he said it was a goal scoring opportunity so it should be red). Then the referee nodded and Kompany walked away looking happy knowing his message was well recieved

More often than not the opposition(city players) would have ganged up on the referee but in this case they didn't presumably because Kompany had played his part

I have been watching football for almost a decade now but have never seen a Referee so easily influenced. For me that's the worst decision I have ever witness purely for how easily it was influenced

I hate seeing that, even when its our players doing it. Its very easy to stop - change the rules such that any players asking a ref to yellow or red card another players gets an automatic RED and 3 game ban. Overnight it will not happen anymore.

 

[Dov67]

However...
As the Linesman (correctly or incorrectly) had informed Mariner that it was a foul, then it is irrelevant what Kompany says, because the Ref is perfectly aware that it was a clear scoring opportunity. The only debate here is if it is a foul or not, as by the letter of the law Mariner was perfectly correct to send Rose off after a decision had been made that it was a penalty. Harsh or not...

I do not believe Kompany influenced this one bit. Let's face it, if it had been a foul against us we would be crying out for a red card too, citing every shred of evidence we could about last man, clear scoring opportunity etc etc...

We're allowed to scream for a RED. We're merely spectators.

Kompany is the opposing captain and he had the opportunity to have a 1 to 1 conversation with the Ref. We will never know if he influenced him in this decision, but it would be naive to assume referees are never influenced when 4 or 5 players are screaming for a red.

 

[TheSecretNonFootballer]

We're allowed to scream for a RED. We're merely spectators.

Kompany is the opposing captain and he had the opportunity to have a 1 to 1 conversation with the Ref. We will never know if he influenced him in this decision, but it would be naive to assume referees are never influenced when 4 or 5 players are screaming for a red.

I don't think Kompany had any influence at all over the decision. If the ref thought it was a foul, or at least went with the lino's decision that it was a foul, a red card pretty much had to be given.

 

[mattstev2000]

Bad refereeing mistakes but they clearly deserved to win so I'm not really sure what's the point in whining about it. There are bad refereeing mistakes across all teams across all seasons, the governing body needs to be better at reviewing and improving after each performance but issuing us an apology for that performance would mean they'd be apologising every week. It would be daft.

As for Man City, they are clearly a couple of levels ahead of us (in actual fact the league is accurately highlighting the difference in the top three teams and the others chasing 4th).

In actual fact, based on the way they were walking round us with either 10 or 11 players on the pitch (outside of 10 minutes at the end of the first half) then I think 5-1 almost flattered us.

All I can say is thank fuck we don't have to play them again, I'm not sure our goal difference could take it.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I completely understood the Dawson offside decision at the time because Adebayor clearly tries to head the ball whilst in an offside decision meaning Joe Hart has to react to that scenario.

But Dawson himself wasn't offside.

If you watch the Rose tackle in slow from side on he actually clatters into the back of Dzeko's legs a fraction before he makes contact with the ball. I can't believe the linesman can assess this in real time though, and find it amazing that he felt he could comfortably give a penalty.

Was I the only one that was a little disappointed that Rose just stood there and seemed to accept his fate, as if he was guilty. I wanted to see him protest vehemently, indignant with rage ?

I just wish officials would be forced every match to come out and explain their decisions.

But regardless, we were lucky not to be 4 or 5 down before it even got to the penalty incident. For the second home game running we were "surprised" at how the opposition actually managed to turn up and play. We all said after Palace that if we'd played like that against a decent team we'd have been punished, and sure enough that's what happened.

 

[Legend10]

At 1-0 we were in the game, we should have been further behind but we wern't! As Al Pacino would say inch by inch we were clawing our way back into the game and last 15 first half was fairly even, with Aguero then go e who knows what would have happened but the linesman killed the contest.