PGMOL should apologise to club & fans.

[Shanks]

Trying to view this more holistically here, rather than spurs tinted glasses on.

Looking at the highlights - its worth noting that the view from the linesman for the offside, he could only see Dawson and Ade in an offside position - understandable why he flagged it.

The defender who was playing Dawson on clearly couldn't be seen.

Then you have Ade in an offside position - Spurs fans would argue he wasn't effecting play.
But those who have played football will understanding that he will effect play there, in particular the keepers positioning - the keeper doesn't know he's offside, so will position himself in those split seconds accordingly - go for the dive, or be aware of a potential cross across the goal?

Those are the fine margains that need considering all in a split second.

Same for the penalty - from the outset on TV, it looked like Rose had given away a penalty, quick clearly. From the angle of the linesman the ball projectory doesn't change, it continues in the same line.
Fact remains, Rose clipped Dzeko's heel before he got the ball (all very split second), so what looked like a dive, wasn't necessary a dive, and what looked like he got the ball first, he technically didn't.

Then take into consideration the foul on Rose for the free kick were we scored the disallowed goal - really wasn't that much of a foul either...

Not sure the officials can be blamed, these are bloody difficult decisions to make at the time of the event, when several views seem to make me change my mind.

Thats taking of the Spurs tinted glasses and looking holistically at those two events.

 

[Dundalk_Spur]

This was posted in the match thread.

If we are going by the technical LAWS of the game, Ade is offside, but there is a penalty for the second Man City defender who is holding the spurs player. Technicalities eh??

Also the penalty, in real time I didn't think it was. As I remember Dzeko went down to his knees. If he has fouled he would have had less control over his fall. Just seen a video of the incident and Dzeko suddenly collapses after Rose hits the ball, pathetic.

 

[Shanks]

Not sure how many of how you noticed it but during the Rose decision Kompany went up to the referee said a few things( according to the commentator he said it was a goal scoring opportunity so it should be red). Then the referee nodded and Kompany walked away looking happy knowing his message was well recieved

More often than not the opposition(city players) would have ganged up on the referee but in this case they didn't presumably because Kompany had played his part

I have been watching football for almost a decade now but have never seen a Referee so easily influenced. For me that's the worst decision I have ever witness purely for how easily it was influenced

Not entirely true either, some of the City Players where huddled around the ref doing the old pretend card with their hands trick.

City were very dirty in parts last night, in particular when we are on top of them (last 15 in the first half). Toure could have been sent off, Aguero cheating with his supposed head injury and the awful tackles going into our players, in particular Ade.

But thats what good teams do.

 

[Legend10]

Trying to view this more holistically here, rather than spurs tinted glasses on.

Looking at the highlights - its worth noting that the view from the linesman for the offside, he could only see Dawson and Ade in an offside position - understandable why he flagged it.

The defender who was playing Dawson on clearly couldn't be seen.

Then you have Ade in an offside position - Spurs fans would argue he wasn't effecting play.
But those who have played football will understanding that he will effect play there, in particular the keepers positioning - the keeper doesn't know he's offside, so will position himself in those split seconds accordingly - go for the dive, or be aware of a potential cross across the goal?

Those are the fine margains that need considering all in a split second.

Same for the penalty - from the outset on TV, it looked like Rose had given away a penalty, quick clearly. From the angle of the linesman the ball projectory doesn't change, it continues in the same line.
Fact remains, Rose clipped Dzeko's heel before he got the ball (all very split second), so what looked like a dive, wasn't necessary a dive, and what looked like he got the ball first, he technically didn't.

Then take into consideration the foul on Rose for the free kick were we scored the disallowed goal - really wasn't that much of a foul either...

Not sure the officials can be blamed, these are bloody difficult decisions to make at the time of the event, when several views seem to make me change my mind.

Thats taking of the Spurs tinted glasses and looking holistically at those two events.

There's the slightest of contact from Rose on Dzeko, but that isn't illegal, in most challenges contact exist before and after the ball contact. Rose's contact didn't impede Dzeko or stop him getting the ball. Besides this the lino has to be 100% certain before he gives the pen and subsequently an inevitable sending off, he couldn't be sure because he was wrong.

 

[Legend10]

Not entirely true either, some of the City Players where huddled around the ref doing the old pretend card with their hands trick.

City were very dirty in parts last night, in particular when we are on top of them (last 15 in the first half). Toure could have been sent off, Aguero cheating with his supposed head injury and the awful tackles going into our players, in particular Ade.

But thats what good teams do.

Navas waved an imaginary card right in the refs face and the ref just looked at him, all in all Navas, Silva, Kompany & Toure asked him to send him off!

Once upon a time pros frowned on this and it was an absolute no no, how the game has changed and not all for the better.

 

[Josiebyar]

If we are going by the technical LAWS of the game, Ade is offside.

nope! according to the revised offside rules Ade is not offside. He doesnt play the ball and doesnt obstruct Hart's ability to view Dawson's shot....

 

[Shanks]

There's the slightest of contact from Rose on Dzeko, but that isn't illegal, in most challenges contact exist before and after the ball contact. Rose's contact didn't impede Dzeko or stop him getting the ball. Besides this the lino has to be 100% certain before he gives the pen and subsequently an inevitable sending off, he couldn't be sure because he was wrong.

Bolded part - his contact did - whether it was a dive or easily going down, contact was made and the striker went down.

I'm positive the lino was 100% on that at the time he made the decision.

Rose catches his heel of Dzeko's right foot - regardless of the amount of contact, any contact in that area is going to make someone lose footing, which he did.

If he hadn't made that tackle, it would have been a goalscoring opportunity.

Hence the red card.

 

[tototoner]

Does anyone know what match officials at PL level get paid, out of curiosity? Do they get a per match rate rather than a salary?

I have heard the base salary is average but the bonuses are superb

 

[Shanks]

http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/m...le-by-danny-rose-on-edin-dzeko-rose-sent-off/

It is minimal contact, but thats the contact that causes Dzeko to go down - linesman view, it really does look pretty stonewall.

Flip it around, and imagine that Dzeko is Ade, and Rose is Kompany.

You'd be saying deffo penalty, ebcause his heel was clipped.
Doesn't matter how much contact, thats what caused him to go down, so a penalty and a sending off.

It's that easily flipped around between the two, so how on earth are Ref's and lino's expected to get things right first time?

 

[Josiebyar]

Bolded part - his contact did - whether it was a dive or easily going down, contact was made and the striker went down.

I'm positive the lino was 100% on that at the time he made the decision.

Rose catches his heel of Dzeko's right foot - regardless of the amount of contact, any contact in that area is going to make someone lose footing, which he did.

If he hadn't made that tackle, it would have been a goalscoring opportunity.

Hence the red card.

you should go back to last seasons highlights and see the amount of times Bale got a yellow card for being tackled in similar ways in the box last season....

 

[tototoner]

Imagine if we had got a penalty and City had a player sent off right at the start of the 2nd half.

Big decisions make a difference

 

[Shanks]

you should go back to last seasons highlights and see the amount of times Bale got a yellow card for being tackled in similar ways in the box last season....

I recall completely, and clipped in many of them - although ever so slightly clipped.
It makes a difference when running to knock someones balance off with the slightest of touches.

 

[tototoner]

It's a contact sport Shanks, not every coming together or slightest brush means a foul

Maybe some people want it to be a non contact sport, not me

 

[Shanks]

I agree with that as well fella, just looking at the symantics from the lino's point of view, understandable why it was given.

Just difficult when it comes to a goalscoring chance..

Whether a right decision or not is pointless seeing as it was given - personally, the wrong call for me.

 

[Legend10]

It's a contact sport Shanks, not every coming together or slightest brush means a foul

Maybe some people want it to be a non contact sport, not me

This.

 

[Legend10]

http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/m...le-by-danny-rose-on-edin-dzeko-rose-sent-off/

It is minimal contact, but thats the contact that causes Dzeko to go down - linesman view, it really does look pretty stonewall.

Flip it around, and imagine that Dzeko is Ade, and Rose is Kompany.

You'd be saying deffo penalty, ebcause his heel was clipped.
Doesn't matter how much contact, thats what caused him to go down, so a penalty and a sending off.

It's that easily flipped around between the two, so how on earth are Ref's and lino's expected to get things right first time?

Just watched that, honestly the linos had a shocker.

Or we need to take contact out of the game altogether, which is where it's heading anyway.

 

[Legend10]

Not sure if anyone else has mentioned it, cbb to look through all these pages, but the linesman from yesterday is the same one who made 'that' call during the Newcastle v City game. Wonder how many $$$ he's pocketing from City

No way?

 

[Riandor]

I completely understood the Dawson offside decision at the time because Adebayor clearly tries to head the ball whilst in an offside decision meaning Joe Hart has to react to that scenario.

But Dawson himself wasn't offside.

If you watch the Rose tackle in slow from side on he actually clatters into the back of Dzeko's legs a fraction before he makes contact with the ball. I can't believe the linesman can assess this in real time though, and find it amazing that he felt he could comfortably give a penalty.

Was I the only one that was a little disappointed that Rose just stood there and seemed to accept his fate, as if he was guilty. I wanted to see him protest vehemently, indignant with rage ?

I just wish officials would be forced every match to come out and explain their decisions.

But regardless, we were lucky not to be 4 or 5 down before it even got to the penalty incident. For the second home game running we were "surprised" at how the opposition actually managed to turn up and play. We all said after Palace that if we'd played like that against a decent team we'd have been punished, and sure enough that's what happened.

Thanks BC, it seems it is unpopular to mention that Rose connects with Dzeko before touching the ball, so glad someone else sees it as i do.

I do agree with your assessment though, the Linesman pretty much had to guess that he was making the right call.

 

[Tom Pops]

Whilst I of course feel hard done by by the officials decisons i'm not convinced the disallowed goal and penalty were the game changers everyone suggests. When considered in context they only balanced out 2 poor decisions that went in our favour.

With the disallowed goal the only reason we got the free kick that Dawson subsequently scored from was as a result of a blatant dive from Rose and in the first half I thought City deserved a penalty from Bentaleb handballing with both hands. Only thing I think was unjust was Roses red card.

I dont think we should let the officials decisions blur the fact that there is a huge gulf in class between us and the top of the table at the moment and we have seemed unable to keep the ball effectively or create good chances for some time now and we need some radical fixes now if we arw going to be contenders next year as i really dont think we stand a chance of 4th this year.

1) A blatant dive? Toure stuck out a leg, it wasn't the first time he had been putting in sly tackles.
2) What nonsense. How on earth can it be a handball when Bentaleb was protecting his face from a ball that was hurtling at 100mph? It's a completely natural reaction.
3) Of course the decisions were game changers, you don't need to be Einstein to realise that.

 

[dudu]

1) A blatant dive? Toure stuck out a leg, it wasn't the first time he had been putting in sly tackles.
2) How on earth can it be a handball when Bentaleb was protecting his face from a ball that was hurtling at 100mph? It's a completely natural reaction.
3) Of course the decisions were game changers, you don't need to be Einstein to realise that.

Toure 100% stuck out his leg

No way someones leg does what his did naturally as it went in the opposite direction to where he was going and he wasnt planting his foot on the ground.