Piero Hincapie

[BPR_U16]

Fair enough, but executing the plan is only as good as the recruiter's judgement on player quality, not player quantity. We're not in a position to throw money at several options to see what works out. If they've not pulled the trigger on a CB, I'm ok with it since a poor CB, like Sanchez, sets us back for seasons more. We have executed the plan previously in terms of big money signings for key positions and they've been a disaster (examples in prior comment that nobody was unhappy about when they were signed). It's worse than signing nobody, because you've gummed up the works for upcoming windows by having high earners you can't shift.

Ultimately, it's a judgement issue rather than a numbers issue. I can't recall us ever sorting out 3 positions in one window ever. I don't know why anyone would think that could start now. If Porro kills it and that position is fully resolved, everyone should be more than happy with this window.

Issue we have now is that after this window we now have a lot more than 3 positions to resolve - how many windows will be needed now do you think?
This club is going backwards because of the lack of due diligence and a strategic plan going into the last few windows.
The responsibility ultimately falls down to one man - Daniel Levy. Fine businessman, but not good enough to run a football club. A man with a vision, but no idea of how to bring to fruition. He has made bold decisions in some of the managerial appointments but is not brave enough to back their judgement or follow through on his decisions.
Last few windows we believed it might be different, he may have learned his lessons, he might listen to the manager or the fans. But sadly no - Daniel knows best, but its not the best for Tottenham.

 

[Impspur1]

I don't think it will start now, and that's why we will always be also ran's under Levy. Clubs that have ambition do exactly this. Not every window but certainly every now and then. As you rightly say, "we never have".

Leicester managed it today, so frustrating that this cycle just never ends

 

[Thenewcat]

I don't think it will start now, and that's why we will always be also ran's under Levy. Clubs that have ambition do exactly this. Not every window but certainly every now and then. As you rightly say, "we never have".

Honestly, tell me any time when a top 6 club sorted 3 positions in January. I can’t think of a single example. Getting Kulu and Bentancur in the same window last year is the only time a top 6 club has got 2 for years. Good teams do the overwhelming majority of their business in the summer

 

[Scot-Spur]

Honestly, tell me any time when a top 6 club sorted 3 positions in January. I can’t think of a single example. Getting Kulu and Bentancur in the same window last year is the only time a top 6 club has got 2 for years. Good teams do the overwhelming majority of their business in the summer

I mean Chelsea just did

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Honestly, tell me any time when a top 6 club sorted 3 positions in January. I can’t think of a single example. Getting Kulu and Bentancur in the same window last year is the only time a top 6 club has got 2 for years. Good teams do the overwhelming majority of their business in the summer

True Jan isn’t easy but I suppose the point is successful clubs don’t usually leave themselves with 4-5 very weak areas in their squad going into January because they usually have a clear plan to significantly strengthen during the summer window.

We always always leave ourselves short and end up chasing our tail and we never have an above average window to make up for all the mismanagement of the squad that has led to us needing to sign so many.

If we managed the squad better in the first place and hired more appropriate managers then we’d not need to sign 3,4,5 players every January anyway but it’s levy’s fault we are always in that situation and it’s down to him that we never get out of this cycle.

We’ve had tons of directors of football and managers and different combinations of these but there is always one constant during the last 22 years.

The little bald imp who holds us back.

 

[FloridaSpur]

Pretty dismal if we only manage Porro today.

Danjuma alone and the window is a 2. With Porro it becomes a 6 and Gil's loan knocks off 0.5 for me if we don't replace his skillset in the side.

5.5 / 10 . Not exactly what we needed to build an assault on the top 4 and convince Conte to put pen to paper.

So we bring in two International players who the Manager actually want's, reduce our financial outlay a little, bring in a young kid with one eye on the future and give DJ and Gil some much needed playing time. and edge Doherty closer to the exit door.

A successful transfer window isn't all about who we buy.

"pretty dismal" is way off the mark mate.

 

[Thenewcat]

I mean Chelsea just did

What chelsea has just done is completely unprecedented and the jury is still completely out on whether it works. We don’t know if they’ve upgraded anything yet

 

[WiganSpur]

Then the money needs to be put up to make them available, or find targets that are available.

No point in scouting players we will never sign.

Exactly. What I don't get is, why even get the fans hyped up? If you want to impose constraints then operate like Brighton do and invest in the scouting and a cohesive structure rather than the transfer fees. But we do neither and It's infuriating.

 

[Thenewcat]

True Jan isn’t easy but I suppose the point is successful clubs don’t usually leave themselves with 4-5 very weak areas in their squad going into January because they usually have a clear plan to significantly strengthen during the summer window.

We always always leave ourselves short and end up chasing our tail and we never have an above average window to make up for all the mismanagement of the squad that has led to us needing to sign so many.

If we managed the squad better in the first place and hired more appropriate managers then we’d not need to sign 3,4,5 players every January anyway but it’s levy’s fault we are always in that situation and it’s down to him that we never get out of this cycle.

We’ve had tons of directors of football and managers and different combinations of these but there is always one constant during the last 22 years.

The little bald imp who holds us back.

I broadly agree with that, just was pointing out it wasn’t realistic to expect us to fix everything this window regardless of who was in charge. Chelsea, Arsenal and Man U have been in much worse positions in the table than we are and done nothing of the sort, Liverpool are this year and bought one guy. Basically what the new ownership at chelsea has done is completely without precedent and I doubt it will pay off

 

[chrissivad]

Exactly. What I don't get is, why even get the fans hyped up? If you want to impose constraints then operate like Brighton do and invest in the scouting and a cohesive structure rather than the transfer fees. But we do neither and It's infuriating.

It is, and we are lacking a plan on how we should be working.

 

[Stamford]

Honestly, tell me any time when a top 6 club sorted 3 positions in January. I can’t think of a single example. Getting Kulu and Bentancur in the same window last year is the only time a top 6 club has got 2 for years. Good teams do the overwhelming majority of their business in the summer

But we won't do it in the summer as we never do. Will come up short again

 

[WiganSpur]

But we won't do it in the summer as we never do. Will come up short again

There's always next January then in that case. I wouldn't worry.

 

[Thenewcat]

But we won't do it in the summer as we never do. Will come up short again

Look broadly I agree. But actually in the last 3 windows we’ve done a lot more than usual. Bentancur, Kulu, Bissouma, Perisic, Richarlison and Porro isn’t bad in itself (plus Udogie and Spence for the future). People talk like Conte hasn’t been backed at all which isn’t the case. A bit like Liverpool though our recruitment looks weird because we have ignored our highest profile issues (midfield for them, RWB until today and CB for us). We all know the biggest fuck up was the lack of investment from 2017-20 compounded by getting two club record deals badly wrong. We should have got one more in the summer for sure and one more now would have been wise given our tenuous position for top 4

 

[itsameeAntonio]

Why must there be? Again it's just looking for excuses and reasons as to why, rather than addressing the issue.

And that issue being an owner who’s always settling for 3rd/4th tier options to save a few quid?

 

[Tott66]

Lads we tried…

 

[Martin91]

so it’s not happening then…. I’m with POK on this one unfortunately

POK hits jackpot again

 

[Trix]

Honestly, tell me any time when a top 6 club sorted 3 positions in January. I can’t think of a single example. Getting Kulu and Bentancur in the same window last year is the only time a top 6 club has got 2 for years. Good teams do the overwhelming majority of their business in the summer

It's not about numbers, it's about getting what you aim for. And forget January pick any window where we've addressed all of our main problems over value buys.

I'm just sick to death of fans arguing on their behalf doing mental gymnastics to explain why we are constantly left short. If you can't see it you've got your head in the sand, I mean we wanted Porro for over 2 months and announced it at 11pm on deadline day.

When the same things keep happening, It's not a coincidence.

 

[coysjod]

Lads we tried…

Lads it's Tottenham...

 

[For the love of Spurs]

It's not about numbers, it's about getting what you aim for. And forget January pick any window where we've addressed all of our main problems over value buys.

I'm just sick to death of fans arguing on their behalf doing mental gymnastics to explain why we are constantly left short. If you can't see it you've got your head in the sand, I mean we wanted Porro for over 2 months and announced it at 11pm on deadline day.

When the same things keep happening, It's not a coincidence.

If and it’s a big if investment, big investment came to us and we had on paper a huge transfer budget do you think Levy would be just the same or is this behaviour built up due to prior limitations, reading by your post to me his behaviour appears pathological. I have always been in the past a bit loathed to criticise as I don’t know how much restriction Joe puts on the club.

 

[Trix]

If and it’s a big if investment, big investment came to us and we had on paper a huge transfer budget do you think Levy would be just the same or is this behaviour built up due to prior limitations, reading by your post to me his behaviour appears pathological. I have always been in the past a bit loathed to criticise as I don’t know how much restriction Joe puts on the club.

YES!