Ex-Player Watch Player Watch: Dilan Markanday

[spurs mental]

The mistake is letting Markanday get to the last six months of contract without either first team minutes or a loan opportunity at any point in the last couple of years. It is a structural problem in our youth setup that our players move into U23/PL2 limbo and just stay there. Whether that's Levy's fault, our various academy directors faults, a vision gone wrong, hangups from Poch wanting to keep everybody around instead of gaining loan experience, it's a problem that needs addressing quickly.

But I have no problems with selling him now if he didn't want to sign a new deal. Any money in now is better than none in the summer.

I agree, you've worded it better than I could have.

I thought we had fixed some of those issues under He Who Shall Not Be Named with players allowed to go out on loan for experience last season to be honest but the issues still remain.

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

Would assume final decision was down to Paratici he is now Managing Director of Football, if it was a mistake selling Dilan it's down to him but hardly any sub appearances and just one 1st XI appearance under several managers tells a story. Next thing is for Alisdair Gold and Football London to stop referring to almost every Academy player as a wonderkid, it's getting boring.

 

[Shanks]

People will literally blame them for anything when it's more or less got nothing to do with them. And before anyone starts I'm not defending Levy but this is probably not up to him.

He wanted first team football, he wasn't going to get much chance here with where we are right now. It would have been nice to maybe extend his contract and loan him out but Markanday probably didn't want that because he'd be back at square one returning from loan.

Exactly this tbh, he more than likely wanted to go, probably isn’t earning that much either, being sold gives him a juicy signing on bonus to money he’s unlikely used to and gets to play first team football.

what we need to understand as fans, it’s all good and well doing it in the u23’s, but against first team opposition is a big, big jump up still.
Stats are ridiculously low to make a pre-K appearance for anyone coming through scholarship process (1%).

 

[Rocksuperstar]

The mistake is letting Markanday get to the last six months of contract without either first team minutes or a loan opportunity at any point in the last couple of years. It is a structural problem in our youth setup that our players move into U23/PL2 limbo and just stay there. Whether that's Levy's fault, our various academy directors faults, a vision gone wrong, hangups from Poch wanting to keep everybody around instead of gaining loan experience, it's a problem that needs addressing quickly.

But I have no problems with selling him now if he didn't want to sign a new deal. Any money in now is better than none in the summer.

Do you remember how keen we were in the loan market, pre-pandemic? We used to be still sending out our youngsters, even fringe first team players, right up until the last minutes of the window, just so they could get some game time, but all of a sudden it stopped and I can't work out when.

I don't think Poch was the issue, he was obviously keen to get some of the youngsters involved so wasn't so quick to send them off traveling, but I wonder if the issue is less with us and more with the teams they would previously have gone to.

That year of no fans really, really clobbered shit out of a lot of clubs outside the PL, so it might be that they simply can't afford it, or are looking to their own youths and youngsters coming through the ranks, in case we get hit with another variant and lockdown. I know it's easy to blame stuff on COVID at the moment but we have to acknowledge it's going to leave a deeper scar than we thought it would.

Fingers crossed - best case scenario, the talent pool spreads a bit more evenly across the teams/leagues and we start closing the gap between the Prem and the Champs a wee bit. Who knows.

 

[Marty]

Do you remember how keen we were in the loan market, pre-pandemic? We used to be still sending out our youngsters, even fringe first team players, right up until the last minutes of the window, just so they could get some game time, but all of a sudden it stopped and I can't work out when.

I don't think Poch was the issue, he was obviously keen to get some of the youngsters involved so wasn't so quick to send them off traveling, but I wonder if the issue is less with us and more with the teams they would previously have gone to.

That year of no fans really, really clobbered shit out of a lot of clubs outside the PL, so it might be that they simply can't afford it, or are looking to their own youths and youngsters coming through the ranks, in case we get hit with another variant and lockdown. I know it's easy to blame stuff on COVID at the moment but we have to acknowledge it's going to leave a deeper scar than we thought it would.

Fingers crossed - best case scenario, the talent pool spreads a bit more evenly across the teams/leagues and we start closing the gap between the Prem and the Champs a wee bit. Who knows.

The last season I can find us making a significant amount of loan deals is 14/15, Poch's first season. There are two or three here and there (usually CCV + one or two others) but not any big numbers after that.

That season we sent out Carroll, Yedlin, Gomelt, Archer, Fredericks, Hall and Pritchard. We brought in around £20m total from Carroll, Yedlin and Pritchard in sales later on but aside from selling Bentaleb to Schalke for a good fee and essentially trading KWP for Højbjerg we've got virtually sod all for any academy product sales since.

As good as our academy is, as good as our facilities are, we need to make more money from the players we produce than we currently are doing. And while you don't think Poch was an issue, I think the numbers, loan deals and transfers in the last six years tells a different story.

 

[Shanks]

@Marty donyou know how much we earn from our academy players?

 

[Marty]

@Marty donyou know how much we earn from our academy players?

I've only gone by Transfermarkt but their numbers if not 100% accurate (and usually in Euros so exchange rates may vary) are generally quite reliable.

 

[ardiles]

Anyone know what fee we got for him? We could now get Vlahovic during this TW with the funds received.

 

[Blake Griffin]

i will give the club a little leeway when it comes to markanday as his progress hasn't exactly been the most linear.

usually by 16 you have a decent idea as to who your big prospects are, who the middling ones are and those who are unlikely to make it to any notable level. markanday, whilst clearly talented was in the middle group, the kind of player who clubs are happy to keep in the system on a rolling contract and by the end of it might make a modest fee on them after some loans. the problem we've faced with markanday is that his development has rapidly accelerated in the last year, he's gone from being a player who was nice to watch but largely lightweight and ineffective to basically then becoming one of the best players in the group, all within the space of a year. scarlett for example has always had high expectations and that's why he's been brought into the first team picture at such a young age but markanday's never really been considered to be at that level.

to get £500k-£1m for a player who has only played u23 football and with just a few months left on his contract is actually pretty damn good but it's a testament to the hard work dilan has put in and the progress he's made, so in a sense we've done quite well to get what we have but he could also quite quickly build far greater value than what he's gone for. a lot of fans will only class it as a failure on the club's part if the player goes on to become a big star but that's a very black and white way of looking at it. the academy isn't only there to [hopefully] provide players for the first team but also to produce sellable assets which can then fund other acquisitions. if you have a first team player who isn't deemed good enough you don't just give them away so i don't see why the same principle isn't applied to academy players.

anyway, it's a shame but he's gone now so will be interesting to see how does at blackburn. good luck to him.

 

[bigfrooj]

Maybe we should be saying well done to Blackburn for taking a punt on Dilan and giving him a platform to potentially prosper on. The money for them is quite substantial when its a young player with no senior experience. Good luck to Dilan and Rovers, I really hope it's a successful move for them.

 

[Nocando]

Would assume final decision was down to Paratici he is now Managing Director of Football, if it was a mistake selling Dilan it's down to him but hardly any sub appearances and just one 1st XI appearance under several managers tells a story. Next thing is for Alisdair Gold and Football London to stop referring to almost every Academy player as a wonderkid, it's getting boring.

I think that's a good point. They should always be referred to as potential first team players.

No way to know if they will be wonderful.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

i will give the club a little leeway when it comes to markanday as his progress hasn't exactly been the most linear.

usually by 16 you have a decent idea as to who your big prospects are, who the middling ones are and those who are unlikely to make it to any notable level. markanday, whilst clearly talented was in the middle group, the kind of player who clubs are happy to keep in the system on a rolling contract and by the end of it might make a modest fee on them after some loans. the problem we've faced with markanday is that his development has rapidly accelerated in the last year, he's gone from being a player who was nice to watch but largely lightweight and ineffective to basically then becoming one of the best players in the group, all within the space of a year. scarlett for example has always had high expectations and that's why he's been brought into the first team picture at such a young age but markanday's never really been considered to be at that level.

to get £500k-£1m for a player who has only played u23 football and with just a few months left on his contract is actually pretty damn good but it's a testament to the hard work dilan has put in and the progress he's made, so in a sense we've done quite well to get what we have but he could also quite quickly build far greater value than what he's gone for. a lot of fans will only class it as a failure on the club's part if the player goes on to become a big star but that's a very black and white way of looking at it. the academy isn't only there to [hopefully] provide players for the first team but also to produce sellable assets which can then fund other acquisitions. if you have a first team player who isn't deemed good enough you don't just give them away so i don't see why the same principle isn't applied to academy players.

anyway, it's a shame but he's gone now so will be interesting to see how does at blackburn. good luck to him.

As one of those *plastic fans* who only gets to appreciate THFC from afar, this is plenty good enough for me to absorb and accept.

I've been plenty vocal enough in the past about how appreciative I am for @Blake Griffin and his knowledge about/towards the young players that those of us who live far away don't get to see.

I'm not going to change that opinion just because a much hyped young lad I've never actually seen play has been sold to Blackburn.

Good luck to the kid, I wish him well.

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

I think that's a good point. They should always be referred to as potential first team players.

No way to know if they will be wonderful.

Watched u23's last night v Blackburn I have high hopes of Scarlett & Devine but they are probably 2 to 3 seasons away from regular 1st XI consideration.
Search google for " Football London Spurs wonderkids" and see how many articles there have been on the subject , the last one mentioned TJ Eyoma who has gone to Lincoln City permanently , all due respect to Lincoln City but hardly the launching pad for a "wonderkid"

 

[agrdavidsfan]

As good as he was for the youth he’s small and his pace isn’t electric like Lennons etc he interesting to see how he develops!

when he came on in the conference league I wasn’t expecting something different, I’m sure he will have a decent career

but for every Kane there is a Edwards,Oduwa,Pritchard etc

 

[ralphs bald spot]

The last season I can find us making a significant amount of loan deals is 14/15, Poch's first season. There are two or three here and there (usually CCV + one or two others) but not any big numbers after that.

That season we sent out Carroll, Yedlin, Gomelt, Archer, Fredericks, Hall and Pritchard. We brought in around £20m total from Carroll, Yedlin and Pritchard in sales later on but aside from selling Bentaleb to Schalke for a good fee and essentially trading KWP for Højbjerg we've got virtually sod all for any academy product sales since.

As good as our academy is, as good as our facilities are, we need to make more money from the players we produce than we currently are doing. And while you don't think Poch was an issue, I think the numbers, loan deals and transfers in the last six years tells a different story.

your missing a 100 million pound centre forward who has paid for the academy for a good few years to come

 

[Goobers]

He is 20 and wants to play football. Whilst I agree the youth players need to see a more established path to the first team we CERTAINLY need to use the loan system better, personally I think for the lad he is doing the right thing in going to get first team football that he wouldn't have got here. Good luck Dilan.

 

[thekneaf]

I'm excited to see how he does

 

[whitechina]

Maybe we should be saying well done to Blackburn for taking a punt on Dilan and giving him a platform to potentially prosper on. The money for them is quite substantial when its a young player with no senior experience. Good luck to Dilan and Rovers, I really hope it's a successful move for them.

I wish him well- but I just can't begin to like Blackburn after many years of not liking them
RE us loaning out younger players- IIRC Poch did change this al lot when he was with us and at the time many posters (more connected than I to you youth playing teams ) said Poch wanted them around and not getting bad habits.

 

[Locotoro]

Maybe we should be saying well done to Blackburn for taking a punt on Dilan and giving him a platform to potentially prosper on. The money for them is quite substantial when its a young player with no senior experience. Good luck to Dilan and Rovers, I really hope it's a successful move for them.

I suspect that we have various add ons and sell on percentages that we are likely to benefit from so if he does great at Blackburn and ends up being sold on for 10m we are likely to see a percentage of that at very little risk to ourselves.

 

[FibreOpticJesus]

On the bench tonight and came on 68 mins