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Player Watch: Emerson Royal

Joshua shepherd

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I’ll always have time for players who either want to improve themselves with genuine room for improvement, give their all for the team, or have been dealt a pretty shit hand. Emerson falls into all three categories.

To be fair, you kind of created the three categories knowing that he’d fall into each of them.
 

Johnny J

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Aug 18, 2012
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He's good defending. He really needs to be better going forward.
 

septicsac

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Do not think Conte will be prepared to wait for him to "possibly" develop from a right back to a RWB and this may be the reason he may be for sale. He would command a decent fee that could be used more effectively om either e genuine RWB or elsewhere.
 

Pebble Dash

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You lot are too sentimental. Yes towards the end he did well defensively but before that he wasn’t even that good of a defender especially positionally. I remember more than once he played the opponents attacker onside by being further back than our other defenders. When Conte had to tweak the system because Emerson was ( for want of a better word) a liability in the attacking 3rd he did ok.
He’s not a rwb and never will be. If we get a decent offer he should be sold.

On this basis we should be selling Doherty as well.

Emerson - not good enough but then played a vital role towards the end of the season and helped us finish in the top 4 = don’t be sentimental he needs to go?

Doherty - he was an absolute shower of shite for the best part of 2 years before having a good run of circa 6 games prior to his injury. Yet he’s our ‘number 1’.

Barring a threat around the opposition box Emerson is better than Doherty in even other aspect of his game. In addition to this he’s reasonably young, strong, athletic and has a lot of years left in him. Doherty on the other hand is 30, slow, not particularly strong, certainly not athletic and is coming towards the end of his career.
 

mugpunt

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I was disappointed by his technical game, and am skeptical about his ever being an explosive wingback...But he's young, has the Brazilian rb position, and has all the physical qualities we'd want in the position. If upon settling into the language, culture and new positional role he shows a clear step up in confidence and perhaps finds another half yard of acceleration after a Conte pre-season, he's probably a better balance to share the role with the more attacking Spence. Furthermore his having survived a near death experience this summer could provide a new psychological platform to push on in fearlessness/mission.

In essence though theres no reason for us to take a transfer loss on him at this point, so unless Atletico pay a full cash bid of 25m Euros I'd let him run for the season over the Dok assuming Spence comes in and it's an either or situation.
 

Finchyid

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On this basis we should be selling Doherty as well.

Emerson - not good enough but then played a vital role towards the end of the season and helped us finish in the top 4 = don’t be sentimental he needs to go?

Doherty - he was an absolute shower of shite for the best part of 2 years before having a good run of circa 6 games prior to his injury. Yet he’s our ‘number 1’.

Barring a threat around the opposition box Emerson is better than Doherty in even other aspect of his game. In addition to this he’s reasonably young, strong, athletic and has a lot of years left in him. Doherty on the other hand is 30, slow, not particularly strong, certainly not athletic and is coming towards the end of his career.
Agree..For all his faults I would much prefer doherty out the door first
 

biscuit

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You lot are too sentimental. Yes towards the end he did well defensively but before that he wasn’t even that good of a defender especially positionally. I remember more than once he played the opponents attacker onside by being further back than our other defenders. When Conte had to tweak the system because Emerson was ( for want of a better word) a liability in the attacking 3rd he did ok.
He’s not a rwb and never will be. If we get a decent offer he should be sold.

Some of us see a man in his early twenties, new to the country, bought for a different manager and a different system, who is popular among his teammates, gives his all each and every match, and is apparently employing psychologists (at his own expense) in an effort to improve - which, incidentally, appears to be working. Sentimentality has nothing to do with it. He seems to have been written off by some on here when Tanguy Ndombele (for example) has been constantly cited as ‘just needing things to click’ when he has shown absolutely none of these qualities. There’s no way for any of us to know whether or not Emerson’s efforts will be successful, but I will certainly be backing him all the way.
 

thelak

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Aug 31, 2012
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I’ll always have time for players who either want to improve themselves with genuine room for improvement, give their all for the team, or have been dealt a pretty shit hand. Emerson falls into all three categories. Arrived after the season started, young player who’s having his first experience in a new country and culture with communication/language barriers, thrown straight in pretty much into a dysfunctional Nuno side. Has to learn a completely new role just a few months later under a manager who needs results over everything. In and out the team, criticized by fans, only to be forced back into the side due to injuries. If his level wasn’t good enough and/or he wasn’t up to the fight I would’ve understood completely. But he always fought and was such an important player in us making top 4. He was fantastic the last two months of the season and really stepped up. Improved within Conte’s ideas. And that’s before talking about how he reportedly gets outside psychological help. And it’s clear he only wants Conte to improve him and do whatever it takes to make it. Seems like a super nice and positive guy. I’ve also witnessed genuine class in his final delivery in Spain over two seasons. And fairly consistent quality too. Tbh it’s the issues he had in that department in England that’s really surprised me. Because that was a real strength at Betis. I really do have all the time in the world for players like him as I said. If he does stay I have hope and confidence he’ll only get better where Conte needs him to be. If he leaves, him not making it here is 100% down to the circumstances more so than the player. I have no doubt about that. But do hope he stays and proves many wrong because he’s such an easy person to root for.

i’ll always have time for Brazilians, players that have been shot at and players that I can make pulp fiction and Burger King based gags based on their name. Emerson falls into all three categories.
 

ikky

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Some of us see a man in his early twenties, new to the country, bought for a different manager and a different system, who is popular among his teammates, gives his all each and every match, and is apparently employing psychologists (at his own expense) in an effort to improve - which, incidentally, appears to be working. Sentimentality has nothing to do with it. He seems to have been written off by some on here when Tanguy Ndombele (for example) has been constantly cited as ‘just needing things to click’ when he has shown absolutely none of these qualities. There’s no way for any of us to know whether or not Emerson’s efforts will be successful, but I will certainly be backing him all the way.
Not questioning his effort as there’s no doubt he works hard. What I am questioning is his suitability and ability as a RWB especially in the offensive aspects needed to play this role.
 

biscuit

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Not questioning his effort as there’s no doubt he works hard. What I am questioning is his suitability and ability as a RWB especially in the offensive aspects needed to play this role.
And, obviously, you’re entitled to hold that opinion. But actually, your post wasn’t about that. It was suggesting that those with respect for his qualities - which, in my view, probably make him more of a professional than, say TN - were only wanting him to stay out of sentiment.
 

ikky

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And, obviously, you’re entitled to hold that opinion. But actually, your post wasn’t about that. It was suggesting that those with respect for his qualities - which, in my view, probably make him more of a professional than, say TN - were only wanting him to stay out of sentiment.
Once again I’m not questioning his professionalism. He is and imo never will be a good enough rwb and no psychologist will change that. He just doesn’t have the skill set.
 

delawarespur

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i’ll always have time for Brazilians, players that have been shot at and players that I can make pulp fiction and Burger King based gags based on their name. Emerson falls into all three categories.
Ffs fair play. Point stands that he’s had it tougher than most since joining, and I love players with his character. Has definitely fought an uphill battle since joining and trust me I wouldn’t have time for him if I though he was hopeless on the pitch and unable to become a lot better.
 

Shep

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Somehow I feel the signing of Richarlison is going to up the level of both him and Lucas.

If a world class coach, like Conte, can’t level them two up I’m dubious a fella that Emerson and Lucas make pigeon noises at on socials is going to transform them beyond recognition ?
 

Chimbo!

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Jan 7, 2007
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Once again I’m not questioning his professionalism. He is and imo never will be a good enough rwb and no psychologist will change that. He just doesn’t have the skill set.
Bold statement, that. You don’t know whether he has the skill set. Plenty of players struggled at first, only to go on and become top players for us: Son, Bale, Rose, Eriksen, Modric, and Dembele to name a few.
 

Grey Fox

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I'm not sure where people are getting the idea from that he improved towards the end of season. Against Burnley he got bollocked at least three times by Dier, Hojbjerg and Bentacour for not marking or for allowing crosses. He looked completely lost at times.
 

djhotspur

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I'm not sure where people are getting the idea from that he improved towards the end of season. Against Burnley he got bollocked at least three times by Dier, Hojbjerg and Bentacour for not marking or for allowing crosses. He looked completely lost at times.
Because he played well in a low black against Liverpool
 

legend2

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I'm not sure where people are getting the idea from that he improved towards the end of season. Against Burnley he got bollocked at least three times by Dier, Hojbjerg and Bentacour for not marking or for allowing crosses. He looked completely lost at times.
He was outstanding against Liverpool and Arsenal. I'm not his biggest fan, but you need to give credit where due. He's a far better defender than Doc, and there's a time and place for his skills.
 

spurmin

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I'm not sure where people are getting the idea from that he improved towards the end of season. Against Burnley he got bollocked at least three times by Dier, Hojbjerg and Bentacour for not marking or for allowing crosses. He looked completely lost at times.
Everyone looked lost on that night. A windy pissing down with rain night at turf moor.
 

$hoguN

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He was outstanding against Liverpool and Arsenal. I'm not his biggest fan, but you need to give credit where due. He's a far better defender than Doc, and there's a time and place for his skills.
No he was defensively sound. There is a big difference. In an attacking sense we had to change the way we played to keep Kulu wider than him as he can’t cross
 
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