Player Watch: Erik Lamela

[ralvy]

How does him having COVID (which was never confirmed to my knowledge) make him an easy target?

So, you really haven't noticed this trend of internet mobs lashing out at celebrities who get infected with covid? Some of the people who came to kneejerk and such after the match even mentioned that covid thing.

FFS defend the indefensible if you want, but remind me of one moment where he impacted the game in a positive way (as opposed to dribbling down blind alleys, getting in the way of his teammates and just generally trotting around the place). He didn’t even press as well as he usually does.

it’s got fuck all to with covid, and everything to do with the fact that he was the worst of all the players on pitch.

easy target.

No, you're missing the point. He may have been the worst player on the field that night (he wasn't, at the top of my head I can name Lloris and Doherty as being even shittier), but that doesn't mean it's okay the way you all reacted on this thread. It's the internet equivalent to mob mentality, and it's very ugly.

 

[mr ashley]

So, you really haven't noticed this trend of internet mobs lashing out at celebrities who get infected with covid? Some of the people who came to kneejerk and such after the match even mentioned that covid thing.



No, you're missing the point. He may have been the worst player on the field that night (he wasn't, at the top of my head I can name Lloris and Doherty as being even shittier), but that doesn't mean it's okay the way you all reacted on this thread. It's the internet equivalent to mob mentality, and it's very ugly.

I think you can spot the difference between fair, objective criticism of a performance and some irrelevant trolling.
Which is important if you’re going to leap on the anti-bullying of coco train.

Just be honest with yourself. Lamelas form has dropped off a cliff. He was always erratic with his passing and held onto the ball for too long. But he made up for it with high energy pressing, and a level of shithousery that endeared him to the fans.

Against Liverpool there was none of that. He didn’t change the game or affect it in any way.
Against Brighton he did at least make a last ditch challenge- but offered nothing on or off the ball against Liverpool. (Or brighton)

And all of this is happening in the midst of a dele- exile.
If you can’t understand why folk are questioning that, then I don’t think I can help you.

So the point is (or at least it should be): if dele is being frozen out, then what is going on with lamela (and Lucas for that matter)?

 

[E17yid]

I think you can spot the difference between fair, objective criticism of a performance and some irrelevant trolling.
Which is important if you’re going to leap on the anti-bullying of coco train.

Just be honest with yourself. Lamelas form has dropped off a cliff. He was always erratic with his passing and held onto the ball for too long. But he made up for it with high energy pressing, and a level of shithousery that endeared him to the fans.

Against Liverpool there was none of that. He didn’t change the game or affect it in any way.
Against Brighton he did at least make a last ditch challenge- but offered nothing on or off the ball against Liverpool. (Or brighton)

And all of this is happening in the midst of a dele- exile.
If you can’t understand why folk are questioning that, then I don’t think I can help you.

So the point is (or at least it should be): if dele is being frozen out, then what is going on with lamela (and Lucas for that matter)?

Has his form really dropped off a cliff as I seem to remember him getting a lot of praise on here at the start of the season but then he got injured as is the way with Erik. That Liverpool game was a total shower so I don’t think you can say just on that game.

No problem with your post in general, though. He certainly shouldn’t be immune from criticism

 

[mr ashley]

Has his form really dropped off a cliff as I seem to remember him getting a lot of praise on here at the start of the season but then he got injured as is the way with Erik. That Liverpool game was a total shower so I don’t think you can say just on that game.

No problem with your post in general, though. He certainly shouldn’t be immune from criticism

I think the way to judge that is by reflecting on what his role in the team is, and how well he performs it.
in general, it’s a creative role. Yet he really doesn’t create anything. He doesn’t really take people on, he doesn’t shoot very well. He’s been progressively worse as the season has gone on.

Add that to his never ending injury issues, and I think he’s firmly in the deadwood category.
But let’s be fair, he’s not the only one

 

[dtxspurs]

I think he's a good microcosm for whats gone wrong at the club the past several years. He hasn't had more than 6 goals/assists in the prem in 5 seasons. Why is he still here?

 

[E17yid]

I think the way to judge that is by reflecting on what his role in the team is, and how well he performs it.
in general, it’s a creative role. Yet he really doesn’t create anything. He doesn’t really take people on, he doesn’t shoot very well. He’s been progressively worse as the season has gone on.

Add that to his never ending injury issues, and I think he’s firmly in the deadwood category.
But let’s be fair, he’s not the only one

Yeah I see what you’re saying. I guess his role might’ve changed slightly recently. He certainly brings a great work ethic which tends to raise the teams level. When he’s fully fit and had a run in the team I do think he can be quite creative but he’s never going to be putting in worldy numbers.

If he’s 100% (which he hardly ever is tbf) I’d have him in over Lucas and Bergjwin but that’s just me. I don’t think there’s a lot in it between those 3 which is a problem in itself but I do think he’s a bit more intelligent than those 3 and I don’t just mean shithousery I mean how he reads the game. He’s a good head up player that we do lack sometimes when he’s not playing.

His injury record alone would be reason to sell him but you’d have to ask Poch, Levy and now Mourinho as to why he features when fit.

 

[mr ashley]

Yeah I see what you’re saying. I guess his role might’ve changed slightly recently. He certainly brings a great work ethic which tends to raise the teams level. When he’s fully fit and had a run in the team I do think he can be quite creative but he’s never going to be putting in worldy numbers.

If he’s 100% (which he hardly ever is tbf) I’d have him in over Lucas and Bergjwin but that’s just me. I don’t think there’s a lot in it between those 3 which is a problem in itself but I do think he’s a bit more intelligent than those 3 and I don’t just mean shithousery I mean how he reads the game. He’s a good head up player that we do lack sometimes when he’s not playing.

His injury record alone would be reason to sell him but you’d have to ask Poch, Levy and now Mourinho as to why he features when fit.

You see that’s the bit where I think he’s declined. When I’ve watched him this season in particular, I feel like the passing options are fairly obvious but he turns them down or delays them until they’re no longer an option.

He always shows for the ball - but so does dele. He usually works hard off the ball (he’s the best at winning back a ball he’s lost)
He takes a good corner

But that’s about it now

Out of the three you mention, I can see why Bergwijn gets the nod.
He’s quick
He plays with his head up
He works hard off the ball.
Out of the three players, the other two don’t get 3/3. In fact they fluctuate between 1/3 and 2/3.

And so when you enter into a thread about Harry winks or Ben Davies and see all the over the top criticism they receive (they’re not great either btw, but no worse, they do a job in the PL but aren’t game changers), I’ve often wondered how lamela gets away without getting the same levels of criticism.

 

[fortworthspur]

I think he's a good microcosm for whats gone wrong at the club the past several years. He hasn't had more than 6 goals/assists in the prem in 5 seasons. Why is he still here?

he's only hit double digits once in 7 1/2 seasons with us. Why would you expect more than 6? He is what he is - a decent option off the bench sometimes. As far as why he's still here - I dont think he has much transfer value.

 

[Goobers]

I don't see where he fits in. At all.
I actually like him although he has become a meme, a parody. But he can see a pass and I think ever since he arrived he is a number 10 - he was totally wasted playing off the right for the first few years at the club. We can't expect much income from him but I cannot see him being part of the squad medium to long term.

 

[morris25]

Works real hard before giving the ball away

 

[mumfordspur]

Works real hard before giving the ball away

harsh.......................................



but fair

 

[E17yid]

You see that’s the bit where I think he’s declined. When I’ve watched him this season in particular, I feel like the passing options are fairly obvious but he turns them down or delays them until they’re no longer an option.

He always shows for the ball - but so does dele. He usually works hard off the ball (he’s the best at winning back a ball he’s lost)
He takes a good corner

But that’s about it now

Out of the three you mention, I can see why Bergwijn gets the nod.
He’s quick
He plays with his head up
He works hard off the ball.
Out of the three players, the other two don’t get 3/3. In fact they fluctuate between 1/3 and 2/3.

And so when you enter into a thread about Harry winks or Ben Davies and see all the over the top criticism they receive (they’re not great either btw, but no worse, they do a job in the PL but aren’t game changers), I’ve often wondered how lamela gets away without getting the same levels of criticism.

Yeah, I think that’s pretty fair. Tbh, he probably gets away with it (or seems like he does) coz he’s always out injured and he’s never back long until he gets injured again.

 

[Gareth88]

Summer coming is when we need to off load him contract runs out in 2022

 

[Snarfalicious]

I think he's a good microcosm for whats gone wrong at the club the past several years. He hasn't had more than 6 goals/assists in the prem in 5 seasons. Why is he still here?

Well, don't think there's any doubt Poch/Mourinho have shown they trust him to do a job.

 

[beats1]

Works real hard before giving the ball away

IS that better or worse than sissoko?

Who gives the ball away and then works hard

 

[dtxspurs]

IS that better or worse than sissoko?

Who gives the ball away and then works hard

Sissoko offers us more (most of the time) than Lamela does.

 

[ralvy]

I think you can spot the difference between fair, objective criticism of a performance and some irrelevant trolling.
Which is important if you’re going to leap on the anti-bullying of coco train.

Just be honest with yourself. Lamelas form has dropped off a cliff. He was always erratic with his passing and held onto the ball for too long. But he made up for it with high energy pressing, and a level of shithousery that endeared him to the fans.

Against Liverpool there was none of that. He didn’t change the game or affect it in any way.
Against Brighton he did at least make a last ditch challenge- but offered nothing on or off the ball against Liverpool. (Or brighton)

And all of this is happening in the midst of a dele- exile.
If you can’t understand why folk are questioning that, then I don’t think I can help you.

So the point is (or at least it should be): if dele is being frozen out, then what is going on with lamela (and Lucas for that matter)?

That's just the thing, most of it certainly isn't fair and objective criticism, it's just a lot of people venting their frustrations over a player they haven't been so keen over the past few years. That doesn't make it trolling either, it just means that people were posting with a hot head and already holding a grudge.

I don't disagree with you that his performance against Liverpool was pretty shit and that he was unable to impact the game in any way. Then again, what else did you expected? He came in as a replacement of Kane, in a game in which we basically had no midfield and our game was already broken. I couldn't understand what his role was supposed to be or what Mourinho was trying to do, and I'm pretty sure I wasn't the only one since the likes of Son, Bergwijn, Winks and Ndombele also became unable to impact the game.

I would understand all these over the top reactions if he at least had been the weak link that night, but the truth is that the whole shape of the team was a mess and we made lots of mistakes all over the field. So if you're gonna be asking for him to be taken out of the squad based on that game, you would have to do the same with pretty much the rest of the team (even Son).

 

[Aphex]

I think he's a good microcosm for whats gone wrong at the club the past several years. He hasn't had more than 6 goals/assists in the prem in 5 seasons. Why is he still here?

He really has. We've undoubtedly kept players in the squad for far too long. I do think that it has gotten so difficult to offload players nowdays. If you are Lamela, why do you want to leave? He is probably settled in London and always injured and earning more money than he will in his next contract. You could probably say the same about half a dozen players in our squad. Spurs are as good as it gets which makes them hard to shift.

 

[fortworthspur]

Sissoko offers us more (most of the time) than Lamela does.

minutes if nothing else, which counts.

I actually have great respect for Sissoko. You know what you get. He isnt very technical and he's unspectacular but he gives a great effort every game wherever he's asked to play. He's rarely exceptional but he's also rarely crap, even when the team is playing crap.

 

[dtxspurs]

minutes if nothing else, which counts.

I actually have great respect for Sissoko. You know what you get. He isnt very technical and he's unspectacular but he gives a great effort every game wherever he's asked to play. He's rarely exceptional but he's also rarely crap, even when the team is playing crap.

I've also seen Sissoko be in conversation for MOTM probably 20x more than Lamela over the past 3 years.