Player Watch: Kieran Trippier

[ajspurs]

He did play well going forward but Richarlison and others beat him a number of times far too easily, luckily this was Watford players and not Sane,Salah,Hazard or top CL wingers as otherwise we’d have been punished.

Top champions league players like say, Ronaldo....?

Don't get me wrong I know what you're saying but I'm sure Richarlison has skinned a lot of fullbacks this season and not only that, we know Trippier isn't the fastest. How many times was he left one on one with Richarlison last night and up until later in the 2nd half when he was first skinned, he'd dealt with him brilliantly. You let someone with pace square up against Trippier (or anyone slow for that matter) practically alone time and time again then of course that player is gonna get past a couple of times. He's on that side with no natural winger there for added protection either which makes things a little more difficult.

 

[Stevespurs71]

I assumed the bump for this thread was b/c people were praising him for his performance last night. Nope!

I must have been watching a different game, b/c I thought he was excellent.

Can’t believe how many pelters he gets

 

[jonathanhotspur]

Trippier has become a bit of scapegoat. The first thing anyone seems to point out any bad result or performance is our FB's and Trippier in particular.

I think Holebas just went past him and once and there was another time when he tried to tackle Richarleson and the ball ricocheted back into Richarleson's path. There were probably two other occasions when he was less than great defending situations out there.

But why does everyone pretend Walker (and Rose for that matter) never got skanked by anyone or didn't defend badly at times? Walker frequently came unstuck when clever or tricky players ran at him, even the shit ones like Bolasie turned him nots. And there were times when he would just walk off the man with the ball because someone else ran past him. Are we just pretending he didn't frequently do daft stuff or defend badly?

I categorically think that Walker is a quicker stronger defender than Trippier, but it's not like it's vast. It's margins. And then Trippier never does the mind fuckingly stupid stuff that Walker did/does - which ManC fans are already moaning about (see the "what opponents fans are saying" thread). Trippier is also cleverer than Walker (even Pochettino references this in his book) and plays our offside trap really intelligently, which is also a plus people completely ignore, it's one of our strengths (Neville highlighted it a couple of months ago).

Trippier played when we beat Liverpool, Arsenal, ManU, Chelsea away. He was also fine against Sané in the City home game we lost (Sane ends up getting subbed). He's clearly no liability, and he absolutely pisses Walker (and every other RB in the league) for attacking productivity (assists etc) which is vital in the system we play with FB's providing attacking width. Hell, he even ran past the LB yesterday.

He's not perfect, for sure, but we've got much, much bigger issues than Trippier.

Why, I would like to beat you to death with a dirty slipper, while you are wearing one of those sarongs of yours.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I don't think anyone here thinks he's a poor player. But he does have limitations. Aurier does too.

The question now should be which one of those two should make way for KWP. Trippier is Trippier and will always be Trippier if you get what I mean, but Aurier, although looking worse now, could conceivably return next season as a better RB than Trippier.

But that's the point isn't it? Aurier and Walker both had limitations too, and neither of them can hold a candle to what Trippier does in the final third.

If Trippier was doing some of the stupid shit that Walker used to do or that Aurier still is, and contributing fuck all offensively I could understand people going ballistic, but it's nothing like that, he's largely been OK defensively all season, and assists at double the rate Walker does.

I'd be disappointed if Aurier couldn't improve, but I’ve seen a lot of him and he is not the most intelligent and I don't think he ever will be. The very best you'd get is a version of Walker, a good engine, pretty solid defensively, but contributing very little in terms of craft, wit or creatively. I know some people would love Walker Mk2, but you have a good idea how I feel about that.

I think KWP has the potential to be better than all three of them (Walker, Aurier and Trippier) and have said that constantly. But I'd still sooner take Trippier's current deficiencies and positive attributes over Aurier's potential plusses and minuses, and concentrate the effort on developing KWP who has a higher potential than Aurier IMO.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Why, I would like to beat you to death with a dirty slipper, while you are wearing one of those sarongs of yours.

I thought we agreed we'd only do this on Fridays?

 

[lukespurs7]

Top champions league players like say, Ronaldo....?

Don't get me wrong I know what you're saying but I'm sure Richarlison has skinned a lot of fullbacks this season and not only that, we know Trippier isn't the fastest. How many times was he left one on one with Richarlison last night and up until later in the 2nd half when he was first skinned, he'd dealt with him brilliantly. You let someone with pace square up against Trippier (or anyone slow for that matter) practically alone time and time again then of course that player is gonna get past a couple of times. He's on that side with no natural winger there for added protection either which makes things a little more difficult.

Yep all good fair points pal. So do you think he’s good enough for the level we want to be then? I personally don’t tbh. Good player but not a great one.

 

[ajspurs]

Yep all good fair points pal. So do you think he’s good enough for the level we want to be then? I personally don’t tbh. Good player but not a great one.

Yeah not particularly mate and I don't think Davies on the other side is either. I just felt the criticism Trippier received after last night was a bit too much and I do think he has his uses even if I don't think he's long term starting 11 material for us. Currently though, other than Son he's the only other player in the squad who is really any sort of outlet from wide areas. Which maybe says a lot about our squad too really.

I am of course aware of his shortcomings, but in our current situation I'd rather have someone with those particular shortcomings being selected than someone who I unfortunately fear too often can concede stupid fouls, get sent off or give away a penalty.

 

[willcpt17]

But that's the point isn't it? Aurier and Walker both had limitations too, and neither of them can hold a candle to what Trippier does in the final third.

If Trippier was doing some of the stupid shit that Walker used to do or that Aurier still is, and contributing fuck all offensively I could understand people going ballistic, but it's nothing like that, he's largely been OK defensively all season, and assists at double the rate Walker does.

I'd be disappointed if Aurier couldn't improve, but I’ve seen a lot of him and he is not the most intelligent and I don't think he ever will be. The very best you'd get is a version of Walker, a good engine, pretty solid defensively, but contributing very little in terms of craft, wit or creatively. I know some people would love Walker Mk2, but you have a good idea how I feel about that.

I think KWP has the potential to be better than all three of them (Walker, Aurier and Trippier) and have said that constantly. But I'd still sooner take Trippier's current deficiencies and positive attributes over Aurier's potential plusses and minuses, and concentrate the effort on developing KWP who has a higher potential than Aurier IMO.

Great points on all 3 fullbacks. It is disappointing that KWP has not gotten more matches this season as I would've liked to see him tested in the Premier League more than just the Newcastle game. I agree that KWP does have the potential to be better than Walker, Trippier, and Aurier, he just desperately needs the opportunities to prove that.

I don't think any of us know for certain what kind of Spurs player Aurier can be until he gets a full preseason under his belt with Poch. That being said, next year is a make or break year for Aurier. He will not be playing in the WC so he should be well rested for the ICC. He has a tremendous upside, but has to improve his crossing (much like Walker in that regard) and his decision making inside his own penalty area.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Starting full backs/ wing backs at the top six clubs:

City: Kyle Walker and Fabian Delph
Man Utd: Antonio Valencia and Ashley Young
Liverpool: Trent Alexander-Arnold and Andy Robertson
Chelsea: Victor Moses and Marcos Alonso
Arsenal: Hector Bellerin and Nacho Monreal

Apart from Alonso, who probably brings the best technique to the table, the other sides all have faster, more dynamic and more energetic players than Trippier and Davies. Doesn’t necessarily mean much, as there is no context regarding each teams’ style of play or those players synergy with their teammates, but it at least makes you wonder if we are missing a trick.

 

[Typical Spurs]

We aren't going to have worldies in every position. Tripps is steady and on the whole reliable. All top prem sides over the years have had the steady players, look at UTD with G Neville. He wasn't quick, not technically amazing, but could be relied upon to give a minimum 7/10 every game.

I for one would rather a steady player like Tripps than the alternative of Serge (not including KWP as Poch doesn't pick him). Hopefully Serge will improve under Poch, after all Poch does know how to improve a full back. But I do not trust him at all. Off the ball he is a nightmare for ball watching, letting opposition players get wrong side, is rash in his decision making. His final ball is awful. I'm not a Serge hater btw, I hope he can improve as Walker did. But just IMO Walker had far more about him than Serge. Even when walker used to make mistakes, at least his athleticism could counter them.

Currently give me a steady Tripps anyday (over Serge)

Ps it is totally unrealistic to think that any fullback we ever play isn't going to get mauled every now and then. Doesn't make them a bad player. Harry Kane has been mauling top defenders for 4 years. Doesn't make those defenders bad.

 

[coy-spurs1882]

Starting full backs/ wing backs at the top six clubs:

City: Kyle Walker and Fabian Delph
Man Utd: Antonio Valencia and Ashley Young
Liverpool: Trent Alexander-Arnold and Andy Robertson
Chelsea: Victor Moses and Marcos Alonso
Arsenal: Hector Bellerin and Nacho Monreal

Apart from Alonso, who probably brings the best technique to the table, the other sides all have faster, more dynamic and more energetic players than Trippier and Davies. Doesn’t necessarily mean much, as there is no context regarding each teams’ style of play or those players synergy with their teammates, but it at least makes you wonder if we are missing a trick.

davies was excellent at the start of this season and he got two goals in return. his forward movement at that time was as good as rose and i can remember that he created the most chances in our squad. but i don't know why his performance dropped in the recent months

 

[allatsea]

Top champions league players like say, Ronaldo....?

Don't get me wrong I know what you're saying but I'm sure Richarlison has skinned a lot of fullbacks this season and not only that, we know Trippier isn't the fastest. How many times was he left one on one with Richarlison last night and up until later in the 2nd half when he was first skinned, he'd dealt with him brilliantly. You let someone with pace square up against Trippier (or anyone slow for that matter) practically alone time and time again then of course that player is gonna get past a couple of times. He's on that side with no natural winger there for added protection either which makes things a little more difficult.

Second time Richardson has played against us this season and for me he was ineffective both times. He is overrated IMO.

 

[Montalbano]

I feel as that Trip's overall game has continued to improve this season. He's certainly been our top performing RB. He still struggles with his positioning and gets caught up field IMO, but I feel like his general defending, tackling, reading of the game has improved. He's looking more confident going forward. He's finally been looking to take on his man at times. He's averaging 0.6 successful dribbles per game in the PL this season, compared to Walker's 0.8. Not sure if Trips actually recorded a successful dribble last season. I've definitely noticed improvement in his ability to get forward of in recent matches. Felt like there were bits of time he was lookin a bit like Ronaldinho along the touchline in the Semi.. But it was probably just shock from seeing Trips actually move forward with the ball at his feet (and head). As evident in the Watford game, he's certainly still capable of putting some good balls in the box..

Trips as a RWB with a back 3 is definitely the best though, that added protection really helps him play upfield and get in those beauty crosses (That cross against Real Madrid ) and remediates the weakest aspect of his game, getting caught out.

Aurier has been an absolute liability this year. Really hope Poch can sort him out. No doubt in my mind we would've come out with 3 points against Brighton had he not been on the pitch.

As for KWP, lad deserves a chance at RB. Put in a phenomenal debut performance, and has been pigeonholed since. Really think he's got everything we're looking for, and I am in agreement that he likely wouldn't perform any worse than Aurier this year.

 

[spursfan77]

If we are getting rid of Rose I can’t see us getting rid of Trippier too. Reorganising both fullback positions is required but I can’t see us doing it again in the same window.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

But that's the point isn't it? Aurier and Walker both had limitations too, and neither of them can hold a candle to what Trippier does in the final third.

If Trippier was doing some of the stupid shit that Walker used to do or that Aurier still is, and contributing fuck all offensively I could understand people going ballistic, but it's nothing like that, he's largely been OK defensively all season, and assists at double the rate Walker does.

I'd be disappointed if Aurier couldn't improve, but I’ve seen a lot of him and he is not the most intelligent and I don't think he ever will be. The very best you'd get is a version of Walker, a good engine, pretty solid defensively, but contributing very little in terms of craft, wit or creatively. I know some people would love Walker Mk2, but you have a good idea how I feel about that.

I think KWP has the potential to be better than all three of them (Walker, Aurier and Trippier) and have said that constantly. But I'd still sooner take Trippier's current deficiencies and positive attributes over Aurier's potential plusses and minuses, and concentrate the effort on developing KWP who has a higher potential than Aurier IMO.

You are Damien Commolli. You will sign Stewart Downing because he makes the most crosses while hoping Andy Carroll gets on the end because he scores the most headers.

 

[ajspurs]

Second time Richardson has played against us this season and for me he was ineffective both times. He is overrated IMO.

Yeah my comment wasn't to praise his ability in any way, he is fast and on occasion can be tricky and they're attributes that can have you beating players whether you're a good player or not. People (not everyone) probably said the same about Aaron Lennon for years and he used to skin people for fun.

Also for those who would rather KWP than Trippier or Aurier, I'm not completely disputing that it may be something we'd benefit from but I'd rather see him in more Premier League games before making such a comment in confidence. Just put it this way, I wouldn't be surprised if he played in multiple PL games, potentially struggled a bit for whatever reason and then became a scapegoat on here amongst many.

I would love to see more of him in the PL, but I definitely feel I have to see more of that before claiming that I'd rather him start ahead of Trippier or Aurier.

 

[phaser]

Aurier has been an absolute liability this year. Really hope Poch can sort him out. No doubt in my mind we would've come out with 3 points against Brighton had he not been on the pitch.

If we had a better finisher than Lamela coming onto the pitch against BHA we would have won.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

davies was excellent at the start of this season and he got two goals in return. his forward movement at that time was as good as rose and i can remember that he created the most chances in our squad. but i don't know why his performance dropped in the recent months

Probably because he's knackered.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

You are Damien Commolli. You will sign Stewart Downing because he makes the most crosses while hoping Andy Carroll gets on the end because he scores the most headers.

Yeah, but you’ll also get Berbatov, Modric and Bale.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Starting full backs/ wing backs at the top six clubs:

City: Kyle Walker and Fabian Delph
Man Utd: Antonio Valencia and Ashley Young
Liverpool: Trent Alexander-Arnold and Andy Robertson
Chelsea: Victor Moses and Marcos Alonso
Arsenal: Hector Bellerin and Nacho Monreal

Apart from Alonso, who probably brings the best technique to the table, the other sides all have faster, more dynamic and more energetic players than Trippier and Davies. Doesn’t necessarily mean much, as there is no context regarding each teams’ style of play or those players synergy with their teammates, but it at least makes you wonder if we are missing a trick.

Or, as Trippier is the most creatively productive of those lot, it could be that they are missing a trick?

Let’s be realistic here, it’s not like Trippier is Corluka slow is it? Aurier is quicker, but what’s the point of being quicker if you do stupid shit at each end of the pitch? Is that a good trick?