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jolsnogross

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Smashing result for Liverpool today. They've still got some work to do to get in touch with the top 4, while Man City look fallible which is important for the rest of the league to see. City are deserved favourites for the title, but that doesn't mean everyone should lay out a carpet for them and join a procession behind them. Any logic to the idea that Arsenal could have a title-winning season can also be applied to us.

There are 5 games until the long break for the World Cup. If we come through a tricky run and we're still just 4 points behind the leaders, that would be outstanding. With Man U and Newcastle in quick succession this week, it's a really good test of where we are and I suspect the 352 for a chunk of the Everton game sets up up nicely for a cracking midweek fixture.
 

DenverSpur

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This is getting Leciester 2.0 vibes. Ffs.
Can we please stop with this Leicester 2.0 vibe crap.

Arsenal this season is in no way comparable to Leicester the year they won the title:

1. Leicester were(are) minnows(the season before their title they just escaped relegation) whereas Arsenal are one of the big 6. Ironically Leicester being minnows actually helped them that season.

2. That season all the other top 6 were struggling for one reason or another. This year City, Chelsea, now that Potter has got their mojo working, and us under Conte are going to be in the title mix.

3. Unlike the season Leicester won the title this season has a 6 week WC break in the middle which will dissipate any momentum any team build up in the, shorter, first half of the season. Also take a look at Arsenal's first 6 fixture's after the WC break. It's going to be much harder for them to get off to a similar flying start as they did at the start of the season.

4.Lets be honest Leicester won the title because we, as a team, and Poch, as a manager, fucked up. We were by far the better team but didn't handle the pressure as well as they did. For me 3 games(4 if you include the Battle Of The Bridge) cost us the title. One: we lost to them at home in January, something you cannot afford to do against your title competitor, two: in a week in March we lost at WH and then only drew at home to a 10 men Arsenal. If we had beaten WH we would have gone top. It is one of those Urban Legends about the FA always finding ways to screw Tottenham that in a season we are serious title contenders they schedule our 2 biggest rivals, WHU(a) and Arsenal(h), in the same week!!!! Those were the crunch games and we faltered and handed the momentum to Leicester. If we had won all 3 games we would have been comfortably ahead of Leicester going into the run-in and there would have been a completely different narrative. Instead we were always chasing them and they were the team everyone wanted to win the title.

5. Which leads to my next point. At this time of that season nobody was talking up Leicester title hopes because they were minnows - so no pressure. As the final third or quarter of the season began they were top(because we had choked in those big games) and a groundswell began wanting the "fairy tale" to happen and it affected all the actors in the PL drama. That's when the fact that they were minnows became an advantage. Other smaller teams wanted them to beat us to the title as a victory for smaller teams over the big boys. Two weeks before they played us at WHL WBA played Arsenal away and they were already on the beach - they were safe from relegation. Before the game against us Tony Pulis made it very clear he wanted Leicester to win the title and that night WBA played like their lives depended on it and we dropped 2 points. Meanwhile teams playing Leicester didn't have that same drive to beat them, quite the opposite. Swansea when they played them, around the same time, "gifted" them 2 goals in the first 10 minutes or so(and I'm being kind in calling them just a gift) and then made absolutely NO effort to get back in the game. Referees were affected also. The last minute penalty Jonathan Moss gave Leicester against WHU was VERY soft - defeat avoided, a vital point saved and confidence and momentum still intact. Finally Sky got involved. Never in the history of the PL has one team been scheduled to play on 3 consecutive Monday nights, especially a title contender with only 6 games to go. As everyone knows playing before your rivals is a big advantage, just like going first in a penalty shoot-out is. It was a blatant attempt by SKY to assist Leicester and get their, media dream, a fairy tale ending. I am still angry/shocked that Daniel Levy did not threaten SKY and the PL with legal action as it was a obvious attempt to tilt the title race in Leicester favour. I'm very aware that TV money helps fatten the geese that lay the Golden Eggs so they should decide which games to televise but they should NEVER be allowed to help tip the balance in favour of one team or another. Teams that are in the title race or fighting relegation should expect that the fixture schedule in the run-in is fairly balanced in as much as who plays first each week.

Arsenal, being a top 6 team, will never generate the same excitement that Leicester did in a title race so other teams wont be rooting for them; going easy on them but trying their hardest against their title rivals. The media may be fawning over Arsenal at the moment but them winning the title is not the same as a 3000-1 odds team doing it.

So can we STOP referencing Leicester's title winning season????
 
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DenverSpur

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Just seen the disallowed goal for Leeds. Looks v soft IMO


I thought the same. If the roles had been reversed I think the referee would have waved away any penalty claim!! Have you ever seen a defender being booked for diving in the penalty area to get a goal disallowed?
 

jolsnogross

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Just seen the disallowed goal for Leeds. Looks v soft IMO


Soft is right. You can call it either way and that's a frustration that VAR doesn't resolve. We'd be howling for a free kick if it was our defender though.

Did the ref disallow it initially? Or did VAR invite him to review his allowing the goal initially?

As the ball is about to be crossed and is in the air, Bamford is being manhandled and has an arm around him from the defender. When the ball pops up in front of them, Bamford just gives back what he had just been subjected to.
 

glacierSpurs

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Can we please stop with this Leicester 2.0 vibe crap.

So can we STOP referencing Leicester's title winning season????
Lol I wanted to let this rest but you brought it up again.

Seriously why can't we? Some of us said it as we watched it and it's a pretty casual comment, not even repeated enough like some old time boring jokes here over the years.

You guys are so reactionary over this. Why couldn't you guys just agree to disagree I have no idea, but the way we were being called out, daft, silly, losing our shit etc by some posters were so unwarranted, as if by inserting some demeaning choice of words against other posters makes them right and smart. Your long and analytical posts are all spot on TBH and I totally agree, but replying them to a simple, banter-like post is laughable. Another case of moaning the moaners all over yet again.
 

chas vs dave

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These made me laugh

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Trix

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finishing fourth is not progress
It is if the gap to first and those above is reduced. We finished 22 points off Man City last season, think about that for a second because we now have 23 points from our first 10 games and have only lost once. Are you saying if we reduce that gap by half we haven't progressed? Assuming of course the winner gets a similar number of points, which looks very likely as things stand.
 

DarwinSpur

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Can we please stop with this Leicester 2.0 vibe crap.

Arsenal this season is in no way comparable to Leicester the year they won the title:

1. Leicester were(are) minnows(the season before their title they just escaped relegation) whereas Arsenal are one of the big 6. Ironically Leicester being minnows actually helped them that season.

2. That season all the other top 6 were struggling for one reason or another. This year City, Chelsea, now that Potter has got their mojo working, and us under Conte are going to be in the title mix.

3. Unlike the season Leicester won the title this season has a 6 week WC break in the middle which will dissipate any momentum any team build up in the, shorter, first half of the season. Also take a look at Arsenal's first 6 fixture's after the WC break. It's going to be much harder for them to get off to a similar flying start as they did at the start of the season.

4.Lets be honest Leicester won the title because we, as a team, and Poch, as a manager, fucked up. We were by far the better team but didn't handle the pressure as well as they did. For me 3 games(4 if you include the Battle Of The Bridge) cost us the title. One: we lost to them at home in January, something you cannot afford to do against your title competitor, two: in a week in March we lost at WH and then only drew at home to a 10 men Arsenal. If we had beaten WH we would have gone top. It is one of those Urban Legends about the FA always finding ways to screw Tottenham that in a season we are serious title contenders they schedule our 2 biggest rivals, WHU(a) and Arsenal(h), in the same week!!!! Those were the crunch games and we faltered and handed the momentum to Leicester. If we had won all 3 games we would have been comfortably ahead of Leicester going into the run-in instead we were always chasing them.

5. Which leads to my next point. At this time of that season nobody was talking up Leicester title hopes because they were minnows - so no pressure. As the final third or quarter of the season began they were top(because we had choked in those big games) and a groundswell began wanting the "fairy tale" to happen and it affected all the actors in the PL drama. That's when the fact that they were minnows became an advantage. Other smaller teams wanted them to beat us to the title as a victory for smaller teams over the big boys. Two weeks before they played us at WHL WBA played Arsenal away and they were already on the beach - they were safe from relegation. Before the game against us Tony Pulis made it very clear he wanted Leicester to win the title and that night WBA played like their lives depended on it and we dropped 2 points. Meanwhile teams playing Leicester didn't have that same drive to beat them, quite the opposite. Swansea when they played them, around the same time, "gifted" them 2 goals in the first 10 minutes or so(and I'm being kind in calling them just a gift) and then made absolutely NO effort to get back in the game. Referees were affected also. The last minute penalty Jonathan Moss gave Leicester against WHU was VERY soft - defeat avoided, a vital point saved and confidence and momentum still intact. Finally Sky got involved. Never in the history of the PL has one team been scheduled to play on 3 consecutive Monday nights, especially a title contender with only 6 games to go. As everyone knows playing before your rivals is a big advantage, just like going first in a penalty shoot-out is. It was a blatant attempt by SKY to assist Leicester and get their, media dream, a fairy tale ending. I am still angry/shocked that Daniel Levy did not threaten SKY and the PL with legal action as it was a obvious attempt to tilt the title race in Leicester favour. I'm very aware that TV money helps fatten the geese that lay the Golden Eggs so they should decide which games to televise but they should NEVER be allowed to help tip the balance in favour of one team or another. Teams that are in the title race or fighting relegation should expect that the fixture schedule in the run-in is fairly balanced in as much as who plays first each week.

Arsenal, being a top 6 team, will never generate the same excitement that Leicester did in a title race so other teams wont be rooting for them; going easy on them but trying their hardest against their title rivals. The media may be fawning over Arsenal at the moment but them winning the title is not the same as a 3000-1 odds team doing it.

So can we STOP referencing Leicester's title winning season????

Okay.


This season feels very much like 2015/16. :shifty:
 

TheChosenOne

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Okay.


This season feels very much like 2015/16. :shifty:

After losing to Leicester at WHL we played them again in the cup, a draw at home then a
2-0 win at theirs.

I suggested in the match thread at the time I would have preferred the 3 PL points rather than the Cup win.

I got a disagree that night from some expert on here - then of course we played Colchester in the 4th round of the cup.
‘Nuff said.
 

DenverSpur

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Lol I wanted to let this rest but you brought it up again.

Seriously why can't we? Some of us said it as we watched it and it's a pretty casual comment, not even repeated enough like some old time boring jokes here over the years.

You guys are so reactionary over this. Why couldn't you guys just agree to disagree I have no idea, but the way we were being called out, daft, silly, losing our shit etc by some posters were so unwarranted, as if by inserting some demeaning choice of words against other posters makes them right and smart. Your long and analytical posts are all spot on TBH and I totally agree, but replying them to a simple, banter-like post is laughable. Another case of moaning the moaners all over yet again.
I guess I just want to reassure myself. Maybe you’re all right and it is like 2015/16??
 

TheChosenOne

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Tuesday Night :
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You could just about watch a match and a half here if you wanted too.
I probably won’t.
 
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