Racism in Football BBC 1 - Spurs
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I don't believe Baddiel is suggesting that Spurs fans are in any way more or less racist than any other team. From what little I know regarding his campaign, I believe his aim is to stop any one club being associated with any particular religious or ethnic grouping. Spurs should no longer be seen as the "jewish" club, nor should Celtic be the catholic club. His thinking is that if we are no longer considered as a jewish club, we can no longer be abused by anti-semites, and football as a whole will be on it's way to being rid of "racism".
As many of us consider ourselves "yids" (I for one prefer not to use this term) and use the term freely, we make ourselves an easy target for his campaign.
What we need is some high profile Jewish Spurs fan to tell him to shut the fuck up and get his own (very nasty) house in order. Stamford Bridge really is a nasty place. Hissing, truly offensive songs aimed at jews and casual violence. I stopped going to our away games there many year ago. It's made all the more ironic and absurd by the fact that their success been financed by a jewish person. Why on earth he tolerates the kind of behaviour that takes place there is a mystery. Baddiel should have a go at Abramovich. He can really make a difference and quickly.
As many of us consider ourselves "yids" (I for one prefer not to use this term) and use the term freely, we make ourselves an easy target for his campaign.
What we need is some high profile Jewish Spurs fan to tell him to shut the fuck up and get his own (very nasty) house in order. Stamford Bridge really is a nasty place. Hissing, truly offensive songs aimed at jews and casual violence. I stopped going to our away games there many year ago. It's made all the more ironic and absurd by the fact that their success been financed by a jewish person. Why on earth he tolerates the kind of behaviour that takes place there is a mystery. Baddiel should have a go at Abramovich. He can really make a difference and quickly.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/8450760/Anti-Semitic-abuse-rife-among-football-fans.html
David Baddiel, the comedian, has launched a campaign to stamp out use of the word “yid” in football chants which mock Jewish and Tottenham supporters.
High-profile backers have also condemned fans for hissing at Jewish spectators, to imitate the sound of gas chambers used in the Holocaust.
But many Tottenham supporters have said they use the term "yid army" themselves as a "badge of honour" and are not offended by it.
The words “yid” or “yiddo”, meaning Jew, have been used for decades to identify Tottenham supporters, because of the proportion of Jewish supporters at the club.
The campaign, supported by England midfielder Frank Lampard and Tottenham defender Ledley King, warns that while racism has become unacceptable in the stands, anti-Semitism remains dangerously commonplace.
Baddiel, whose Jewish mother was forced to flee Nazi Germany during the Second World War, has made a film exploring the problem, entitled The Y-Word, which he hopes will spark a shift in attitudes among fans.
Baddiel, 46, a Chelsea supporter, said: “Anti-Semitism is the other racism in football, and, because it so lags behind in visibility to racial abuse of black players, it is hardly ever discussed.
"It's an important issue, not least because, in my experience, there are more Jewish fans at most grounds than black ones - it is virtually impossible to be Jewish and male and not interested in football - and I know that they all dread the starting up of these chants."
He added: “The film is not intended to censor football fans. It's simply to raise awareness that the Y-word is, and has been for many, many years, a race hate word.
“It's our belief that some football fans may not even realise this, and the film is designed therefore to inform and raise debate.”
However, campaigners claim the phrase is often taken too far, with chants against Spurs turning viciously anti-Semitic.
The film, which also features former England striker Gary Lineker, includes YouTube footage of fans singing: "Spurs are on their way to Auschwitz, Sieg Heil, Hitler's going to gas them again."
Donna Cullen, executive director of Tottenham Hotspur, said: “It is unthinkable and wholly unacceptable that, in this day and age, supporters are subjected to anti-Semitic abuse such as hissing to imitate the gas chambers used during the Holocaust in the Second World War.”
Lampard, 32, added: “For some reason some fans still shout the Y-word. Some might think it's just a bit of a laugh. But racist chanting is against the law. It's against the law to call someone the Y-word on the street."
Spurs fans were last week accused of racially abusing Real Madrid player Emmanuel Adebayor during a match.
The club accepted the song, which contained the words “your dad washes elephants, your mother’s a whore” was offensive but the Crown Prosecution Service concluded it was not racist.
UEFA sent a high-ranking official to monitor Tottenham fans during Wednesday night’s clash with Real Madrid at White Hart Lane, following the Adebayor’s complaint.
The campaign, organised through the anti-racism group Kick It Out, has also won the backing of the Football Association and numerous premier league clubs, including Arsenal and Chelsea.
David Baddiel, the comedian, has launched a campaign to stamp out use of the word “yid” in football chants which mock Jewish and Tottenham supporters.
High-profile backers have also condemned fans for hissing at Jewish spectators, to imitate the sound of gas chambers used in the Holocaust.
But many Tottenham supporters have said they use the term "yid army" themselves as a "badge of honour" and are not offended by it.
The words “yid” or “yiddo”, meaning Jew, have been used for decades to identify Tottenham supporters, because of the proportion of Jewish supporters at the club.
The campaign, supported by England midfielder Frank Lampard and Tottenham defender Ledley King, warns that while racism has become unacceptable in the stands, anti-Semitism remains dangerously commonplace.
Baddiel, whose Jewish mother was forced to flee Nazi Germany during the Second World War, has made a film exploring the problem, entitled The Y-Word, which he hopes will spark a shift in attitudes among fans.
Baddiel, 46, a Chelsea supporter, said: “Anti-Semitism is the other racism in football, and, because it so lags behind in visibility to racial abuse of black players, it is hardly ever discussed.
"It's an important issue, not least because, in my experience, there are more Jewish fans at most grounds than black ones - it is virtually impossible to be Jewish and male and not interested in football - and I know that they all dread the starting up of these chants."
He added: “The film is not intended to censor football fans. It's simply to raise awareness that the Y-word is, and has been for many, many years, a race hate word.
“It's our belief that some football fans may not even realise this, and the film is designed therefore to inform and raise debate.”
However, campaigners claim the phrase is often taken too far, with chants against Spurs turning viciously anti-Semitic.
The film, which also features former England striker Gary Lineker, includes YouTube footage of fans singing: "Spurs are on their way to Auschwitz, Sieg Heil, Hitler's going to gas them again."
Donna Cullen, executive director of Tottenham Hotspur, said: “It is unthinkable and wholly unacceptable that, in this day and age, supporters are subjected to anti-Semitic abuse such as hissing to imitate the gas chambers used during the Holocaust in the Second World War.”
Lampard, 32, added: “For some reason some fans still shout the Y-word. Some might think it's just a bit of a laugh. But racist chanting is against the law. It's against the law to call someone the Y-word on the street."
Spurs fans were last week accused of racially abusing Real Madrid player Emmanuel Adebayor during a match.
The club accepted the song, which contained the words “your dad washes elephants, your mother’s a whore” was offensive but the Crown Prosecution Service concluded it was not racist.
UEFA sent a high-ranking official to monitor Tottenham fans during Wednesday night’s clash with Real Madrid at White Hart Lane, following the Adebayor’s complaint.
The campaign, organised through the anti-racism group Kick It Out, has also won the backing of the Football Association and numerous premier league clubs, including Arsenal and Chelsea.
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http://www.independent.co.uk/opinio...ed-racism-out-of-english-football-614251.html
A good article by Baddiel. He very openly criticises portions of the Chelsea fanbase for their anti-semitic chants and says he actually moved to a different stand so he no longer had to hug racists when his team scored.
Just because a TV program concentrated on Baddiel's views on Tottenham fans' use of the word Yid does not mean Baddiel is tolerant on racists who support his own club. Unbelievable that anybody actually thought he would tolerate racism.
A good article by Baddiel. He very openly criticises portions of the Chelsea fanbase for their anti-semitic chants and says he actually moved to a different stand so he no longer had to hug racists when his team scored.
Just because a TV program concentrated on Baddiel's views on Tottenham fans' use of the word Yid does not mean Baddiel is tolerant on racists who support his own club. Unbelievable that anybody actually thought he would tolerate racism.
This is a longstanding bone of contention.
We claim that by adopting the word 'yid' as our own we immunise ourselves from
it's effect when used by other people.
But racism in the form of anti semitism is despicable and it makes me uncomfortable
whenever I hear it and whoever uses it.
Perhaps my background or age makes me hyper-sensitive.
I understand the theory and perhaps whilst others use it against us
we can justify claiming it for ourselves.
Ideally nobody would use it as it is designed to be a racist put down
Ajax supporters adopt the same position of identity as an expression
of solidarity with the jews killed in the ghetto's by the Germans in WW2.
However as in their case it seems to encourage greater use of the word 'yid'
and the disgusting use of hissing in echo of the gas chambers.
It gives the word legitimacy.
Chelsea and West Ham seem to be the worst offenders and David Baddiel
should get to work closer to home.
We claim that by adopting the word 'yid' as our own we immunise ourselves from
it's effect when used by other people.
But racism in the form of anti semitism is despicable and it makes me uncomfortable
whenever I hear it and whoever uses it.
Perhaps my background or age makes me hyper-sensitive.
I understand the theory and perhaps whilst others use it against us
we can justify claiming it for ourselves.
Ideally nobody would use it as it is designed to be a racist put down
Ajax supporters adopt the same position of identity as an expression
of solidarity with the jews killed in the ghetto's by the Germans in WW2.
However as in their case it seems to encourage greater use of the word 'yid'
and the disgusting use of hissing in echo of the gas chambers.
It gives the word legitimacy.
Chelsea and West Ham seem to be the worst offenders and David Baddiel
should get to work closer to home.
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It might be the old adage about doing the doable not wasting time on the impossible, may feel he can stop us using the term but, as we all know, chelsea fans are the worst racist filth and so impossible to stop them.
Personally I think any credibility his Jewishness gives him on this issue is counterbalanced by his being a chelsea supporter; he therefore has no credibility on the matter.
Personally I think any credibility his Jewishness gives him on this issue is counterbalanced by his being a chelsea supporter; he therefore has no credibility on the matter.
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David Baddiel is not a comedian, he is a cock!!
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I don't think anyone thought that - just that he should be working his bollocks off to make sure supporters of his own club, and others, should stop using it as a term of abuse, and then, maybe, get aroudn to suggesting we don't really need to use it in an affirmative way anymore.
The way he goes about it, it kinda sounds like they might not eradicate the abuse, but Spurs fans should just stand meekly and take it, if he whinges enough.
I think that is the crux of the issue: if people like Baddiel got folk to stop using it as a term of abuse, maybe we could collectively stop using it in an affirmative sense - but still teach younger Spurs fans why we adapted the term, as a way of standing against Black-Shirted bulles, even if it isn't considered aas quite appropriate now (and why it isn't really so considered, now).
Luka no like David Baddiel badge!
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I don't think anyone thought that - just that he should be working his bollocks off to make sure supporters of his own club, and others, should stop using it as a term of abuse, and then, maybe, get aroudn to suggesting we don't really need to use it in an affirmative way anymore.
The way he goes about it, it kinda sounds like they might not eradicate the abuse, but Spurs fans should just stand meekly and take it, if he whinges enough.
But as I've already shown he isn't happy with the Chelsea fans either.
The show concentrated on how we use the term Yid and he said it was unacceptable. For Baddiel it doesn't seem to be a case of defend your club.
He is attacking anti-semitism by criticising all those who chant abuse but also a club like ourselves who use an abusive term as a badge of honour.
People making this a Spurs v Chelsea issue are completely missing the point.
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But, as I've already answered (I'll add the text that I thought was a given, as you didn't seem to get it)
...that he was happy with chelsea fans being racist.
See. I didn't need you to tell me again
And, no, disagreeing with David Baddiel is not making it a Spurs V Chelsea thing. So, I think it is you who isn't getting the point - there are lots of serious reasons as to why I, personally, believe he is wrong - perhaps you could focus on those and show why and which ones, if any, you disagree with, rather than telling me I haven't taken something on board that I clearly have, and I just don't understand Mr Baddiel.
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I think we have to think of the word a bit like the N word. Just because we take ownership of it as a bunch of fans, doesn't mean that it somehow becomes an OK word. Imagine how black fans, their kids and their families at games would feel if everyone chanted the N word, even knowing we were doing it as a mark of positive identity. It's a word loaded with negative racial overtone and will always offend some.
I guess jewish people feel the same about the word Yid.
There's an argument that goes (re both words) that it's maybe the best way to disarm those words, i.e. take ownership of them and chant them as positives identity statements, but I guess we'd have to ask those that they offend what they think, and Badeil is saying it offends him, so there's one answer.
I guess jewish people feel the same about the word Yid.
There's an argument that goes (re both words) that it's maybe the best way to disarm those words, i.e. take ownership of them and chant them as positives identity statements, but I guess we'd have to ask those that they offend what they think, and Badeil is saying it offends him, so there's one answer.
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Clark Carlisle is a credit to the profession. This was a program that really needed making. He's a very brave, intelligent and articulate bloke.
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Don't even get me started on this.... He started this anti-yid campaign a year back, don't tell me he's at it again?!?!?!?!
He's just another clueless Chelsea fan, except he has the celebrity status to stick his nose in when it's not wanted!
He's a ****, and not worthy of a thread..
He's just another clueless Chelsea fan, except he has the celebrity status to stick his nose in when it's not wanted!
He's a ****, and not worthy of a thread..
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But, as in other threads on the subject, there are plenty of Jewish Spurs fans who are more than happy about it. There are plenty of Jewish non-Spurs fans who have no problem with it.
As I explained, above, the analogy to the N word is a false one. The N word has always and can only refer to a racial grouping and in a derogatory way. The Y word is a diminuation of the name of a dialect with germanic roots.
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If him, Damon Albarn and Suggs are to be believed these are the type of cheeky chappies who filled the Chelsea terraces.
My experience was different and it wasn't just the odd few doing the abusive chanting.
No wonder Rob Newman hated him.
Kick Baddiel out of football.
My experience was different and it wasn't just the odd few doing the abusive chanting.
No wonder Rob Newman hated him.
Kick Baddiel out of football.
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http://www.independent.co.uk/opinio...ed-racism-out-of-english-football-614251.html
As already displayed Baddiel has openly criticised the Chelsea fans for anti-semtic chanting.
He sees Spurs' use the term 'Yid' as a problem because he sees it as saying differentiating yourself by ethnic/religious group allows for others to refer to you in that way.
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Think it would be very hard to stop us singing it as it's been sang by Spurs fans for so many years and also it's so easy to chant.
I'm personally not really religious except for having a bit of Catholic influence as my mum is half-Italian but otherwise I'm not particularly religious. However I could see that it may offend some Jewish fans perhaps. The Chelsea racist thing is a whole different matter to the yid and yid army chants as they are just pure out being racist with their chants and gas chamber impressions etc they are sick fucks though...
I don't think it will stop getting sung and I kind of like singing it however if it was just known to mean spurs fan fine as it has connotations to mean jew-not that I have anything against them I do find it strange/annoying when people associate/stereotype all spurs fans as being jewish when a large majority especially in this day and age when fans travel from all over the country, a large majority of spurs fans are not jewish so labelling them as so is wrong. That is what I don't like.
However can't really see it changing and as long is it's not offending jewsish spurs fans too much i say just keep it.
I'm personally not really religious except for having a bit of Catholic influence as my mum is half-Italian but otherwise I'm not particularly religious. However I could see that it may offend some Jewish fans perhaps. The Chelsea racist thing is a whole different matter to the yid and yid army chants as they are just pure out being racist with their chants and gas chamber impressions etc they are sick fucks though...
I don't think it will stop getting sung and I kind of like singing it however if it was just known to mean spurs fan fine as it has connotations to mean jew-not that I have anything against them I do find it strange/annoying when people associate/stereotype all spurs fans as being jewish when a large majority especially in this day and age when fans travel from all over the country, a large majority of spurs fans are not jewish so labelling them as so is wrong. That is what I don't like.
However can't really see it changing and as long is it's not offending jewsish spurs fans too much i say just keep it.
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