Ratings v West Ham (& analysis & poll ;) )
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Lloris - 5 - Some good saves but his distribution was woeful.
Walker - 5 - Worst game for a while from Kyle
Capoue - 5 - Feel for him as he isn't a CB and he's proving that
Vlad - 5 - Shaky game back and definitely looked tired late on when passing was all over the shop, not dominant enough in the air.
Rose - 6 - Solid from Danny and good attacking presence that we've missed.
Dembele - 5 - Did okay in the first half but was completely out played in second.
Sigs - 6 - Thought he did okay, some nice passing and few searching balls forward, defensively offers little though.
Lennon - 6 - Did well first half and created some decent openings.
Townsend - 5.5 - Again first half beat men at will and whipped a few balls in, his passing seems poor which is a concern.
Ade - 7.5 - Good hold up/link up play, looked dangerous in the box and took his goal brilliantly.
Defoe - 4 - Assist aside he was terrible, offered nothing and if we are going two up top has to be Soldado and ADE.
Subs: 5s all-round, nobody brought anything to the game.
Sherwood - 5 - Bold team selection that started well, faded and subs didn't do anything. Taking Ade off and the loss marked him down from proabably a 6/6.5 for changing things up!
Walker - 5 - Worst game for a while from Kyle
Capoue - 5 - Feel for him as he isn't a CB and he's proving that
Vlad - 5 - Shaky game back and definitely looked tired late on when passing was all over the shop, not dominant enough in the air.
Rose - 6 - Solid from Danny and good attacking presence that we've missed.
Dembele - 5 - Did okay in the first half but was completely out played in second.
Sigs - 6 - Thought he did okay, some nice passing and few searching balls forward, defensively offers little though.
Lennon - 6 - Did well first half and created some decent openings.
Townsend - 5.5 - Again first half beat men at will and whipped a few balls in, his passing seems poor which is a concern.
Ade - 7.5 - Good hold up/link up play, looked dangerous in the box and took his goal brilliantly.
Defoe - 4 - Assist aside he was terrible, offered nothing and if we are going two up top has to be Soldado and ADE.
Subs: 5s all-round, nobody brought anything to the game.
Sherwood - 5 - Bold team selection that started well, faded and subs didn't do anything. Taking Ade off and the loss marked him down from proabably a 6/6.5 for changing things up!
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last night was always going to be a bit of lottery.
Sherwood may have been damned no matter what decision he made. He had 2 training sessions with the team so i was certainly not expecting to see any kind of locked on footballing strategy put into place other than trying to g et the guys playing in an upbeat manner. Which they did for a bit.
Play too strong a team (i.e the Eriksons, Soldados and Lamelas?) and risk getting crucified for not preparing for our weekends game properly.
Did we even have a better defensive unit to play at our disposal last night or were we forced into playing the defenders we did?
Hopefully others were being rested with a mind for the weekend and next week and we are going to see a more dynamic team play on Sunday.
I would rather we have a proper manager in sooner rather than later but im not going to scapegoat any of our coaching staff or player on the back of last nights game.
Sherwood may have been damned no matter what decision he made. He had 2 training sessions with the team so i was certainly not expecting to see any kind of locked on footballing strategy put into place other than trying to g et the guys playing in an upbeat manner. Which they did for a bit.
Play too strong a team (i.e the Eriksons, Soldados and Lamelas?) and risk getting crucified for not preparing for our weekends game properly.
Did we even have a better defensive unit to play at our disposal last night or were we forced into playing the defenders we did?
Hopefully others were being rested with a mind for the weekend and next week and we are going to see a more dynamic team play on Sunday.
I would rather we have a proper manager in sooner rather than later but im not going to scapegoat any of our coaching staff or player on the back of last nights game.
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Wardy
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Not sure about anyone else, but the most irritating part of last night, was the fact lamela, soldado and eriksen were sat on the bench all game.
I sure as hell, hope that they were just being rested for the weekend. But then again, lamela has had enough rest already?
I sure as hell, hope that they were just being rested for the weekend. But then again, lamela has had enough rest already?
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Cant be bothered to go into a detailed analysis. Quick thoughts...
- A bright start that faded and the game got scrappy, although we still enjoyed the majority of the ball. Effort was there but not the quality, which is the story of the season so far and it doesn't seem to matter which personnel or formation we employ.
- West Ham, though gradually getting the game played more towards the halfway line than their penalty box, barely had a sniff at goal for large parts. Still believe we lost for no other reason than the defences ability to deal with basic route one football in the final third of the match. Pathetic attempts at defending. How are they getting 5 and 6's? cut those scores in half for utter incompetence! Lets all now put to bed the notion that Capoue is capable of playing at centre back.
- Adebayor was far and away our best player, and demonstrated when in the mood is still the best striker we have on the books. Constantly linked up play, attacked the box, and worked extremely hard when not on the ball... Probably as much of a shift as I have ever seen from him. On one occasion he was in the centre back position, after he had chased back and won the ball.
Lloris - Doesn't look as commanding I'm afraid, any aerial stuf he has to deal with he seems to wave a half-hearted hand at now as if he is braced for someone colliding with him. Concerning.
Walker - For most of the match played a disciplined role, in support of Capoue and making sure he didn't get isolated. A stupid bit of play for the equaliser though. Only one place that pass was going, and he couldn't read the danger.
Capoue - Pathetic attempt at dealing with the aerial bombardment all game.
Chiriches - Very, very, very slightly better than Capoue in this regard.
Rose - Mostly solid and full of energy to get forward, we were definitely poorer without him. Hopefully he is back playing 90 mins soon.
Sigurdsson - Started ok, faded, just not a CM. Wasted a couple of good opportunities inside the penalty area.
Dembele - Decent enough for large parts, got a bit ragged towards the end though.
Lennon - Typical of the last 8 years. In fits and starts half threatening. Long periods of doing diddly squat though. People on this site are asking what is going wrong at the club over several threads today... Well I will give you one thing to think about. This is the sort of mediocre, inconsistent player we need to get out of the club if we want to push forward.
Townsend - Needs to develop his game awareness very quickly. Could be very good, but he doesn't recognise when to keep it simple and release the ball. His first touch needs serious work as well, it is often horrific.
Defoe - A couple of good moments, I will give him credit. The cross for the goal, and the ball through for Chadli. Far more of the annoying stuff though. Missed chances and regularly offside. Again, another of these mediocre players who never progressed that need to be ruthlessly culled from the football club. Just go away.
Adebayor - As I mentioned, clear Motm. Very good.
Subs:
Fryers - Shares some fault for our defence's woes towards the end of the game. Didn't really get into the game and seemed a bit timid.
Chadli - Missed a good opportunity by being too slow.
Holtby - Cannot recall anything of note.
- A bright start that faded and the game got scrappy, although we still enjoyed the majority of the ball. Effort was there but not the quality, which is the story of the season so far and it doesn't seem to matter which personnel or formation we employ.
- West Ham, though gradually getting the game played more towards the halfway line than their penalty box, barely had a sniff at goal for large parts. Still believe we lost for no other reason than the defences ability to deal with basic route one football in the final third of the match. Pathetic attempts at defending. How are they getting 5 and 6's? cut those scores in half for utter incompetence! Lets all now put to bed the notion that Capoue is capable of playing at centre back.
- Adebayor was far and away our best player, and demonstrated when in the mood is still the best striker we have on the books. Constantly linked up play, attacked the box, and worked extremely hard when not on the ball... Probably as much of a shift as I have ever seen from him. On one occasion he was in the centre back position, after he had chased back and won the ball.
Lloris - Doesn't look as commanding I'm afraid, any aerial stuf he has to deal with he seems to wave a half-hearted hand at now as if he is braced for someone colliding with him. Concerning.
Walker - For most of the match played a disciplined role, in support of Capoue and making sure he didn't get isolated. A stupid bit of play for the equaliser though. Only one place that pass was going, and he couldn't read the danger.
Capoue - Pathetic attempt at dealing with the aerial bombardment all game.
Chiriches - Very, very, very slightly better than Capoue in this regard.
Rose - Mostly solid and full of energy to get forward, we were definitely poorer without him. Hopefully he is back playing 90 mins soon.
Sigurdsson - Started ok, faded, just not a CM. Wasted a couple of good opportunities inside the penalty area.
Dembele - Decent enough for large parts, got a bit ragged towards the end though.
Lennon - Typical of the last 8 years. In fits and starts half threatening. Long periods of doing diddly squat though. People on this site are asking what is going wrong at the club over several threads today... Well I will give you one thing to think about. This is the sort of mediocre, inconsistent player we need to get out of the club if we want to push forward.
Townsend - Needs to develop his game awareness very quickly. Could be very good, but he doesn't recognise when to keep it simple and release the ball. His first touch needs serious work as well, it is often horrific.
Defoe - A couple of good moments, I will give him credit. The cross for the goal, and the ball through for Chadli. Far more of the annoying stuff though. Missed chances and regularly offside. Again, another of these mediocre players who never progressed that need to be ruthlessly culled from the football club. Just go away.
Adebayor - As I mentioned, clear Motm. Very good.
Subs:
Fryers - Shares some fault for our defence's woes towards the end of the game. Didn't really get into the game and seemed a bit timid.
Chadli - Missed a good opportunity by being too slow.
Holtby - Cannot recall anything of note.
Couldn't score in the crowded bus park,
though we had several good opportunities
Couldn't defend when the Fat Controller gave the green light.
None of this directly Sherwood's fault.
Injuries and one eye on the weekend limited his scope.
Retro approach didn't quite work out.
Ade....8.......Long may it last.But we know it won't
Lloris/ Rose..6..
Defoe/ Townsend/Lennon..4. .Promises, promises.
Rest ...5. Capoue not a centre back
I've seen the future and I don't like it.
though we had several good opportunities
Couldn't defend when the Fat Controller gave the green light.
None of this directly Sherwood's fault.
Injuries and one eye on the weekend limited his scope.
Retro approach didn't quite work out.
Ade....8.......Long may it last.But we know it won't
Lloris/ Rose..6..
Defoe/ Townsend/Lennon..4. .Promises, promises.
Rest ...5. Capoue not a centre back
I've seen the future and I don't like it.
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You can tell there's a transfer window coming up! Haha
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Lloris 4: what's going on with him? He's flapping at everything, not going out on the right time, he's just not looking anywhere near the level he's used to be.
Rose 6: decenet performance, really good going forward, there's a lot to be done but the potential is clear.
Christi 3: looked like a shit version of luiz out there. Somehow kept passing the opposition attackers.
Capoue 3: where's khumalo? This lad just isn't a center back.
Walker 4: so so dumb, who ever told him he can shoot and take free kicks needs to tell him he was being punk'd. When will these wide players learn that crossing is an important part of their game? These clowns couldn't cross a ball to save their careers and its pretty sad.
Siggy 0- I'd pay good money to someone who can describe me what positive attribute he adds to our team. I can imagine Levy's pain whenever he signs his paycheck.
Dembele 3: He's lost the plot hasn't he. Once upon a time he used to keep the ball really well, bully opposition mids, and then drive through teams. Now? He keeps losing the ball, never takes them on and is as tough as a butterfly in tackles. Sort yourself out ffs.
Lennon 2: athlete first, footballer second.
Townsend 5: looked a threat but needs to release the ball earlier.
Defoe 1: for the cross only.
Adebayor 7.5: great game by him. Held it up well and tried to initiate some link up play. Great goal too.
Subs
Chadli 3: sell him
Holty 5: looked lively
Fryers 4: atleast he didn't look poor
Rose 6: decenet performance, really good going forward, there's a lot to be done but the potential is clear.
Christi 3: looked like a shit version of luiz out there. Somehow kept passing the opposition attackers.
Capoue 3: where's khumalo? This lad just isn't a center back.
Walker 4: so so dumb, who ever told him he can shoot and take free kicks needs to tell him he was being punk'd. When will these wide players learn that crossing is an important part of their game? These clowns couldn't cross a ball to save their careers and its pretty sad.
Siggy 0- I'd pay good money to someone who can describe me what positive attribute he adds to our team. I can imagine Levy's pain whenever he signs his paycheck.
Dembele 3: He's lost the plot hasn't he. Once upon a time he used to keep the ball really well, bully opposition mids, and then drive through teams. Now? He keeps losing the ball, never takes them on and is as tough as a butterfly in tackles. Sort yourself out ffs.
Lennon 2: athlete first, footballer second.
Townsend 5: looked a threat but needs to release the ball earlier.
Defoe 1: for the cross only.
Adebayor 7.5: great game by him. Held it up well and tried to initiate some link up play. Great goal too.
Subs
Chadli 3: sell him
Holty 5: looked lively
Fryers 4: atleast he didn't look poor
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Lloris- 7- Was not at fault for the goals and the score could have been worse if it was not for him
Walker- 6- quiet game for him I felt- I did not see him get forward as much but did not do much wrong defensively
Capoue - 5- He may have been a CB in the French league but does not cut it in the PL- he had a poor game but I do not blame him too much as he clearly does not want to play there but we have no choice
Chiriches- 6- Cool as ever but struggled a bit in the 2nd half
Rose-6.5- Attacked quite a lot and it is so refreshing to see a LB playing
Sigurdsson- 5- Did fuck all- his deliveries are piss poor and I have no fucking idea why he was playing CM when Holtby, a superior player, has said numerous times that he sees himself playing in that position in the future.
Dembele-6- Did not do much but at times he looks like he doesn't give a shit- I'm not sure as I can't fully remember but he seems to lose possession late on a bit- then again he wins it a lot as well
Townsend- 6.5- Tried and I felt he was good at LW but as soon as he and Lennon switched...well, I'll save that for another time
Lennon- 6.5- Again- at RW, he looked good and got deliveries into the box- when at LW he looked lost
Defoe- 5-UTTER CRAP- Offside a ridiculous amount of times to the point where a free kick from his offside directly led to a goal. His rating would have been less if it was not for his assist.
Adebayor-8- MOM- I felt he was great and he obviously scored the goal- he held up the ball well and tried to create chances.
Chadli- 6- Had a great chance and he fucked up- didn't do much else
Fryers- 6- Did not do anything of note
Holtby- N/A- As always, looked gutted at full time and was the last Spurs player of the pitch
Sherwood- Not the answer- If he switched the wingers then he must be stupid
Walker- 6- quiet game for him I felt- I did not see him get forward as much but did not do much wrong defensively
Capoue - 5- He may have been a CB in the French league but does not cut it in the PL- he had a poor game but I do not blame him too much as he clearly does not want to play there but we have no choice
Chiriches- 6- Cool as ever but struggled a bit in the 2nd half
Rose-6.5- Attacked quite a lot and it is so refreshing to see a LB playing
Sigurdsson- 5- Did fuck all- his deliveries are piss poor and I have no fucking idea why he was playing CM when Holtby, a superior player, has said numerous times that he sees himself playing in that position in the future.
Dembele-6- Did not do much but at times he looks like he doesn't give a shit- I'm not sure as I can't fully remember but he seems to lose possession late on a bit- then again he wins it a lot as well
Townsend- 6.5- Tried and I felt he was good at LW but as soon as he and Lennon switched...well, I'll save that for another time
Lennon- 6.5- Again- at RW, he looked good and got deliveries into the box- when at LW he looked lost
Defoe- 5-UTTER CRAP- Offside a ridiculous amount of times to the point where a free kick from his offside directly led to a goal. His rating would have been less if it was not for his assist.
Adebayor-8- MOM- I felt he was great and he obviously scored the goal- he held up the ball well and tried to create chances.
Chadli- 6- Had a great chance and he fucked up- didn't do much else
Fryers- 6- Did not do anything of note
Holtby- N/A- As always, looked gutted at full time and was the last Spurs player of the pitch
Sherwood- Not the answer- If he switched the wingers then he must be stupid
Not as irritating as listing Lamela as a sub when he wasn't.
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Lloris - 6 - Some fantastic saves but he has lost some composure recently and it's affecting his decision making
Walker - 6 - Not great but I don't hate the idea of him as captain
Capoue - 5
Vlad - 5
Rose - 6 - Good show, he's been missed
Dembele - 5
Sigs - 6 - He did what was asked of him with minimal fuss but I don't think he should have played over a couple of people on the bench
Lennon - 6
Townsend - 5 - All speed no brain
Ade - 7.5 - Wanted it, good performance topped off with a goal
Defoe - 1 - He's about as useful as a marzipan dildo at the moment, he got a very generous 1 because of the cross
Walker - 6 - Not great but I don't hate the idea of him as captain
Capoue - 5
Vlad - 5
Rose - 6 - Good show, he's been missed
Dembele - 5
Sigs - 6 - He did what was asked of him with minimal fuss but I don't think he should have played over a couple of people on the bench
Lennon - 6
Townsend - 5 - All speed no brain
Ade - 7.5 - Wanted it, good performance topped off with a goal
Defoe - 1 - He's about as useful as a marzipan dildo at the moment, he got a very generous 1 because of the cross
OmarsComing
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Lloris - 6
Walker - 5.5
Capoue - 6
Chiriches - 5
Rose - 6
Sigurdsson - 2
Dembele - 2.5
Townsend - 3
Lennon - 5
Defoe - 4
Adebayor - 7
Subs
Fryers - 5
Holtby - ran around a faacking bit
Chadli - ****
We've gone from having a team consisting of King, Woodgate, Modric, Bale and VDV to the above shit. Liverpool déjà vu 2008-2010 seasons.
Walker - 5.5
Capoue - 6
Chiriches - 5
Rose - 6
Sigurdsson - 2
Dembele - 2.5
Townsend - 3
Lennon - 5
Defoe - 4
Adebayor - 7
Subs
Fryers - 5
Holtby - ran around a faacking bit
Chadli - ****
We've gone from having a team consisting of King, Woodgate, Modric, Bale and VDV to the above shit. Liverpool déjà vu 2008-2010 seasons.
danielneeds
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I think far too much is being made of the return to 442. That didn't look like 442 to me, Ade was basically playing off Defoe, in the number 10 role so then it's 4411.
What's the difference between that and the 4231 we were playing? Very little really, mostly that Lennon and Townsend were told to be less compact than under AVB.
I think with a little tweaking, and important players like Verts and Sandro back a 4411 could work with our personel. Maybe similar to Citeh though, with one genuine "chalk on the boots" winger like Navas one side, and then with a more compact creative player like Silva or Nasri on the other.
What's the difference between that and the 4231 we were playing? Very little really, mostly that Lennon and Townsend were told to be less compact than under AVB.
I think with a little tweaking, and important players like Verts and Sandro back a 4411 could work with our personel. Maybe similar to Citeh though, with one genuine "chalk on the boots" winger like Navas one side, and then with a more compact creative player like Silva or Nasri on the other.
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And because Siggurdson gave up tracking Jarvis as soon as he got into the penalty area. Walker just got caught out trying to cover too many others.
