Ratings vs Citeh

[Gilzeanking]

Palacios had little time on the pitch but that time was spent making sure City couldn't get near our area, and he did it very well, meaning that we ended the match camped in their half.
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Fantastic night , just calming down . Don't have much to say thats not been said here already .
But I would point out this which isn't being highlighted so much . One of the major improvements is our fitness . The puffing and blowing players who would always concede all the pitch outside our pen area in a bid to hang on to a slender lead for the last 20 mins...ALL HISTORY . Where are the endless long shot last quarter of an hour conceded goals these days ? GONE . The oppo doesn't hang round our area ,cos we're up their end of the pitch...bloody marvellous .

Joe Jordan as a player was never one for half measures and I'm wondering if he has played a big part in this ,in changing the culture and simply intimidating our millionaires into putting in the extra effort to get superfit . An important component in our success imo . Then Harry has stopped the suicidal 'Git the wagons in a circle' mentality at the end of matches too .

The other thing many ,including me , have said is that mebbe Harry ,after our 67 Sky 4 away matches without a win , should not alter our away formation to a more defensive pattern . It affects the team system and mentality imo . So in our biggest match....he grows some balls and we attack...more please Harry .

Finally 'tis true , many of our creative players were off the boil last night
but the wonderful effort by every single man stopped this being decisive . Again big praise to all the staff...Jordan may be a bit of an unsung hero in this .

 

[tRiKS]

Look I apologize if people disagree. That is the beauty of the game, but (Hudd is on my shirt) I just thought he had a terrible game. Against a 3 man mid, he couldn't pass unless it was back to the center-halves. It's not an indication of his overall contribution during the campaign...only that tonight he wasn't good...at all.

I thought he was good but not his best as well. He was lucky not to get a red and i wanted him subbed from the moment he esacped with a yellow. He has made a massive contribution and should be proud that he's rightly forced himself into the starting line up of a CL team

 

[Wiener]

Crouch was my MOM. Worked his socks off and before Barry went off and we had little possession, everything we did went through him. After that he was again magnificent.

I was worried about Redknapp's high risk approach, but once again I underestimated Modric's and Huddlestone's effectiveness when we were defending. Again they worked hard and were extremely disciplined and focused.

King and Dawson were awesome. Gomes again top notch and Kaboul and BAE excellent.

I was not happy with Redknapp's formation and tactics and it was evenly balanced until Barry went off in the 57 minute. We had little possession in the first 60 minutes and were hoofing it up to Crouch, but it was effective. For the last were totally on top, played some nice football and should probably have won by more. Redknapp certainly has balls. He got this one right. Much credit to him.

 

[Wiener]

The other thing many ,including me , have said is that mebbe Harry ,after our 67 Sky 4 away matches without a win , should not alter our away formation to a more defensive pattern . It affects the team system and mentality imo . So in our biggest match....he grows some balls and we attack...more please Harry .

He did throw caution to the wind. However I am not sure that it's always the right thing to do. Personally I advocated a more cautious approach for this game and wanted Palacios in the middle and Modric playing just behind either Pav or Defoe. I do think were lucky that Barry went off after 57 minutes. It was pretty evenly balanced up until then. They had the possession but we had the more dangerous chances.

 

[Gilzeanking]

He did throw caution to the wind. However I am not sure that it's always the right thing to do. Personally I advocated a more cautious approach for this game and wanted Palacios in the middle and Modric playing just behind either Pav or Defoe. I do think were lucky that Barry went off after 57 minutes. It was pretty evenly balanced up until then. They had the possession but we had the more dangerous chances.

yes horses for courses , true...but the 67 matches must tell us something about how not to play away at the sky 4 . Generally we have had a more defensive set up in these matches .Telling the players ,through Harry's selections that we are going into sky 4 away matches looking to WIN would improve the mental approach I'd say .

and I'd add that imo it was City who were lucky in the first half ,we hit the post and GB came very close .

 

[Michey]

Gomes - 8

Kaboul - 8
Daws - 9
King - 9 MOM
BAE - 7.5

Lennon - 6
Hudd - 7.5
Modric - 7
Bale - 7.5

Defoe - 6
Crouch - 9

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Bentley - 7

 

[joey55]

Look I apologize if people disagree. That is the beauty of the game, but (Hudd is on my shirt) I just thought he had a terrible game. Against a 3 man mid, he couldn't pass unless it was back to the center-halves. It's not an indication of his overall contribution during the campaign...only that tonight he wasn't good...at all.

He made one pass the CB's all night. Out of a total of 46 passes, 1 pass went to Dawson and none to King. In terms of passing to wide players and forwards he made more than any other CM on the pitch.

 

[Bobishism]

Guardian have him down as making 31 passes? Who do you use for your stats, Joey?

 

[joey55]

Guardian have him down as making 31 passes? Who do you use for your stats, Joey?

Telegraph. The difference is that Guardian just use open play and count headers and clearances etc differently. For exmaple, with the Telegraph, if you head the ball to a team mate, it's a pass (either completed or failed.) Whilst the Guardian count it as either an interception or aerial challenge.

 

[jonnyp]

Gomes 8.5 - Impeccable except for his moment of madness where the ball slipped under his foot. By the way, Fulop had an even better game I thought! Luckily he didn't ruin our CL hopes!

Kaboul 9 - Fantastic as a full back. Who would've known? Luckily Harry did.

Dawson 9 - Prone to some weird stuff, like when rushing at Tevez who easily passed him for a run alone at goal in the first half but otherwise outstanding defending.

King 9.5 - World class player. Best defender I've ever seen.

Assou-Ekotto 9 - Fantastic tonight, although I feel he sometimes drifts too far in and leaves too much space out to the opposition wideman.

Lennon 6 - A couple of very good crosses in but generally out of touch.

Huddlestone 7 - People are saying he had a mare? What are they on? Granted not his finest display but did nothing wrong.

Modric 7 - Very anonomous in the first half, much better in the second but far from his best performance IMO

Bale 9 - Kid is special, as I've always said.

Crouch 9 - Great display but should've at least scored 1 more goal.

Defoe 5 - Out of form but had a very good attempt only stopped by a fantastic save from Fulop.

Subs

Bentley 7 - Did what he had to do. Kept the ball in our possesion.

Pavlyuchenko 7 - Very lively and good attempt at goal.

Palacios - Not much to judge him on. Did ok.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Of the 46 passes Huddlestone made only 34 were accurate. Modric made 34 out of 37.

Huddlestone still gives the ball (last few games he's given away between 25-33%) more than any other CM by miles.

If he was attempting the incredible you could mitigate a touch but he isn't. He just doesn't operate well enough under the pressure of being CM in a 442 especially in tougher games. He is competant and in a CM3 could be very good but to be honest I'm not really sure what his strength is in relation to our other CM's.

 

[leffe186]

I think those who say he threw caution to the wind have taken Harry's words in the build-up too seriously. That wasn't a gung-ho team, it was a perfectly set-up 442 where pretty much everyone did their defensive and attacking jobs. The defence worked as a unit, the midfield worked as a unit, the forwards worked as a unit - it was a great advert for the coaching team. I'm so proud I could f**king burst.

Gomes - 9 The usual, loved the celebrations, he's rapidly becoming part of the heart & soul of Spurs.

Kaboul - 8.5, Daws - 9, King - 9, BAE - 8.5 defended with their brains as well as their hearts. Rarely exposed and the decsion-making of the full-backs on when to attack/defend was exemplary

Hudd - 7.5, Modric - 7 Difficult to tell on first watching, but they were generally incredibly disciplined and kept their shape beautifully. You can't always take games by the scruff of the neck, particularly away to good sides, and they did their job. Harried, made themselves available and used the ball pretty well. I thought this was Huddlestone's best performance when the opposition had the ball which bodes well for the future. Bit disappointed with Modric in this respect though, once or twice he didn't seem sure what to do. Can the coaching team please work on his shooting too?

Bale - 8, Lennon - 7 Lennon was clearly still getting up to speed after the injury, but that considered I though he did extraordinarily well today. Sporadic nice stuff going forward but I was most impressed with his workrate. Bale didn't always make the right final call but it was clear that when Lennon is cooking with gas these two will stretch teams all over the park. Both wide pairings worked well together.

Defoe - 7, Crouch - 8.5 I thought Defoe worked hard today and troubled Kompany without ever really looking like breaking free. He and Crouch played pretty well together, but bloody hell, we do play the long ball a lot when Crouch is on. He had a very good game (showing for the ball, holding it up, linking with the midfield) but I just can't shake the feeling that neither Defoe nor Crouch are the answer. Wouldn't sell either of them, mind.

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Bentley - 7, Pav - 7 Both did exactly what was wanted from them when they came on.

 

[joey55]

Of the 46 passes Huddlestone made only 34 were accurate. Modric made 34 out of 37.

Huddlestone still gives the ball (last few games he's given away between 25-33%) more than any other CM by miles.

If he was attempting the incredible you could mitigate a touch but he isn't. He just doesn't operate well enough under the pressure of being CM in a 442 especially in tougher games. He is competant and in a CM3 could be very good but to be honest I'm not really sure what his strength is in relation to our other CM's.

Can we now draw a line under you constantly posting this kind of bollocks? Surely it's time for you to have good think about how you view the game? Stop repeating yourself with the same arguments time and time again. Results have gone totally against your opinion for three years now. And if results aren't the arbitrator in these debates, then what is the point of having them? It has to be time to take a look at yourself and explore the possibility you just don't know what you are talking about, rather than continuously spouting the sme old bullshit with such conviction.

Last night the team managed by Harry Redknapp (or Bagpuss as you called him when moaning about his appointment), with Tom Huddlestone playing in a 442 (without Palacios, who according to you "has to play" despite he's now missed 12 prem games from whicn we've taken 28 points), which you claim he can't and with Michael Dawson being immense at the back, as he has been all season (despite you slagging him off for years) qualified for the CL. Yet I still see you making little digs at Harry, refusing to admit Dawson is a top class CB and still persisting with this Huddlestone BS. Either hold your hands up and admit how wrong you've been or pipe down. And when i say "hold your hands up", I don't mean the odd comment like "credit to Harry" or "Dawson played well." You never backed down over Jol/Ramos, but continuously kept posting with utter conviction in your views. This time show more dignity. At least show some remorse over the shit you've given Dawson over the years.

 

[EastLondonYid]

just sobered up....
wow what a night.

gomes 10
kaboul 9
dawsn 9
king 9.9
bae 9
lennon 8
hudd 8.5
luka 8
defoe 8
crouch 11....extra point for the goal...led the line like the giant he is

 

[Shanks]

Have to say the passing stats, aren't really that clear of an indication to how good a player is for the team.

Any such player who has slightly less pass rate, may have been more in the mix, so passing under pressure, where as another, may have just kept it simple and not been under pressure.

Just putting it out there really, thats all.

Modric and Hudd, have been nothing short of supurb against Chelsea, Arsenal and City.

 

[Wiener]

Modric and Hudd, have been nothing short of supurb against Chelsea, Arsenal and City.

Both have to my surprise proved very solid defensively. Huddlestone you would expect to be good defensively given his physique and he has massively improved in that department, at the expensive of his offensive game. Still a very good player and seems to be fulfilling his potential. Modric has done some excellent work defensively in the last few games, much to the surprise of many.

 

[gibbs131]

Have to say the passing stats, aren't really that clear of an indication to how good a player is for the team.

Any such player who has slightly less pass rate, may have been more in the mix, so passing under pressure, where as another, may have just kept it simple and not been under pressure.

Just putting it out there really, thats all.

Modric and Hudd, have been nothing short of supurb against Chelsea, Arsenal and City.

A real good non biased indication of how good/bad a player is lies in these threads:

Look at player ratings in games we lose and average them over the year. I just wish I had a nuthugger filter for people who vote unrealistically to prove a point made in other threads.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Can we now draw a line under you constantly posting this kind of bollocks? Surely it's time for you to have good think about how you view the game? Stop repeating yourself with the same arguments time and time again. Results have gone totally against your opinion for three years now. And if results aren't the arbitrator in these debates, then what is the point of having them? It has to be time to take a look at yourself and explore the possibility you just don't know what you are talking about, rather than continuously spouting the sme old bullshit with such conviction.

Last night the team managed by Harry Redknapp (or Bagpuss as you called him when moaning about his appointment), with Tom Huddlestone playing in a 442 (without Palacios, who according to you "has to play" despite he's now missed 12 prem games from whicn we've taken 28 points), which you claim he can't and with Michael Dawson being immense at the back, as he has been all season (despite you slagging him off for years) qualified for the CL. Yet I still see you making little digs at Harry, refusing to admit Dawson is a top class CB and still persisting with this Huddlestone BS. Either hold your hands up and admit how wrong you've been or pipe down. And when i say "hold your hands up", I don't mean the odd comment like "credit to Harry" or "Dawson played well." You never backed down over Jol/Ramos, but continuously kept posting with utter conviction in your views. This time show more dignity. At least show some remorse over the shit you've given Dawson over the years.

Play to your audience Joey, that's what your fucking good at.

Such a purile load of bollocks, you've really done yourself proud. So every player in a winning side is above reproach. Every manager that wins a game is genius.

If I say something good about Huddlestone or Dawson it's just an odd comment but if I criticise them against your opinion it's bollocks.

We have qualified for the CL because we signed top draw players like Gomes, Palacios, Modric to add to players like King. All the others contributed and are very good players - which I've always said (if you actually want to stick to facts instead of the hyperbolic shit you'd have it believed that I have said)

If Dawson and Huddlestone were the sole reason we'd qualified then we'd have been in the CL for the last three years.

Instead of playing to the muppet gallery you could have just discussed it.

How come your hero Jol preferred Zokora (the player you were convinced was shit) to Huddlestone. Zokora's team got to the WC surely he's beyond criticism ? Didn't seem to stop you spouting bollocks about him week in week out.

Or the bollocks you were spouting a couple of days ago about how premiership teams close down Huddletone with more vigour than other player because they fear his long range shooting more than other players ?


I stand by any fact I state and defend my opinion. Can you ?

 

[danielneeds]

Play to your audience Joey, that's what your fucking good at.

Such a purile load of bollocks, you've really done yourself proud. So every player in a winning side is above reproach. Every manager that wins a game is genius.

If I say something good about Huddlestone or Dawson it's just an odd comment but if I criticise them against your opinion it's bollocks.

We have qualified for the CL because we signed top draw players like Gomes, Palacios, Modric to add to players like King. All the others contributed and are very good players - which I've always said (if you actually want to stick to facts instead of the hyperbolic shit you'd have it believed that I have said)

If Dawson and Huddlestone were the sole reason we'd qualified then we'd have been in the CL for the last three years.

Instead of playing to the muppet gallery you could have just discussed it.

How come your hero Jol preferred Zokora (the player you were convinced was shit) to Huddlestone. Zokora's team got to the WC surely he's beyond criticism ? Didn't seem to stop you spouting bollocks about him week in week out.

Or the bollocks you were spouting a couple of days ago about how premiership teams close down Huddletone with more vigour than other player because they fear his long range shooting more than other players ?


I stand by any fact I state and defend my opinion. Can you ?

Don't really want to get involved in the beef you two are having, but regarding Dawson, I think you could at least say that your reading of him has at least changed. Your criticisms were harsh, and not admitting you were wrong, just seems petty.

The fact is, he has been the mainstay of our defense in a season where we have the 4th lowest goals conceded in the league, the reason we have achieved CL football. Yes, he still makes mistakes, as does everyone, King losing Toure twice at corners yesterday for instance.

 

[joey55]

Play to your audience Joey, that's what your fucking good at.

Such a purile load of bollocks, you've really done yourself proud. So every player in a winning side is above reproach. Every manager that wins a game is genius.

If I say something good about Huddlestone or Dawson it's just an odd comment but if I criticise them against your opinion it's bollocks.

We have qualified for the CL because we signed top draw players like Gomes, Palacios, Modric to add to players like King. All the others contributed and are very good players - which I've always said (if you actually want to stick to facts instead of the hyperbolic shit you'd have it believed that I have said)

If Dawson and Huddlestone were the sole reason we'd qualified then we'd have been in the CL for the last three years.

Instead of playing to the muppet gallery you could have just discussed it.

How come your hero Jol preferred Zokora (the player you were convinced was shit) to Huddlestone. Zokora's team got to the WC surely he's beyond criticism ? Didn't seem to stop you spouting bollocks about him week in week out.

Or the bollocks you were spouting a couple of days ago about how premiership teams close down Huddletone with more vigour than other player because they fear his long range shooting more than other players ?


I stand by any fact I state and defend my opinion. Can you ?

:grin: You just don't get it do you? That's the fucking problem. You defend your opinion no matter what and nothing will change it. It's as if you have no ability to recognise when you're just plain wrong or your simply to proud to admit it. It seems as if you can't see what you're like. The day after we qualify for the CL, having played the majority of the season with Huddlestone in a 442, you repeat the same old bollocks you'd been repeating all season long. It's as if the reality of what actually happens on the football field has absolutely no effect on your opinion. It makes having any debate with you totally pointless.