Match Ratings Ratings vs West Ham

[southlondonyiddo]

Always love the ratings in here. which are completely dependent on the result

I’d say that was possibly our best performance of the season. Pretty much dominated from start to finish and created numerous chances

Such a shame we cannot defend for shit!!

Tanguy my MOTM and obviously Bales best contribution so far

 

[Dannyspur]

Jose singing the praises of Lucas post match - I obviously know nothing about football.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

Jose singing the praises of Lucas post match - I obviously know nothing about football.

Pretty typical Lucas performance. Never stopped running. Gave 110%. Had some good moments and some bloody awful ones which probably outweighed it, especially when you lose!!

 

[fortworthspur]

Lloris - 5 - Just does not dominate his area and is too often glued to his line. That first goal he needs to come and take the ball and anything that gets in the way. At one point Sanchez had to concede a corner as Lloris let a throw on bounce into our 6-yard box and was glued to his line. It is ironic as when we signed him he we couldn't keep him in his penalty area and now we cannot get him off his line!
Tanganga - 6 - Tough being a young kid in such a shaky defence
Sanchez - 6 - Played largely as I expected.
Dier - 4 - Not good enough.
Reguilon - 6 - Below his usual standard.
Højbjerg - 5 - Another was below his usual standard and looked off the pace and was sluggish from the first minute. Got better second half.
Ndombele - 6 - Played within himself, especially first half.
Lamela - 6 - One nice run first half, but is too slow to play as a WF.
Moura - 6 - Nice goal, but he is not a #10. We need to get him into 1 on 1's with opponents in the last third, not coming to collect the ball of Højbjerg with his back to goal.
Son - 6 - Didn't really get going today. A couple of nice crosses.
Kane - 6 - Like the majority of the team he didn't seem up for it first half. Second half he looked class.

Doherty - 6 - Got forward well, but his crossing was very poor.
Bale - 8 - He simply has to start as he did more in the first 10 mins he was on than our entire team did first half. Shame we were 2-0 down by then.
Dele - 6 - Too many flicks that did not work, he really needs to cut that out as we need him.

Mourino - 4 - I am just so annoyed that we did not play the way we could, and should, have been playing all season until we were 2-0 down. Too little too late. This was a must win game so I am in favour of sacking him now and getting a decent manager who is not living on past glories in the summer. How the hell can he not get a tune out of Bale, Dele, Kane, Son, Ndombele, Reguilon, Lo Celso, etc. ?

I like that you came up with positives and gave honest ratings. I have to disagree about Lloris though - that was a wicked ball and he did well to stop it once. Sonny stood off and let the cross come in, and Dier and Japhet just watched it sail over their heads.

 

[Nocando]

Pretty typical Lucas performance. Never stopped running. Gave 110%. Had some good moments and some bloody awful ones which probably outweighed it, especially when you lose!!

I agree. Net rating id have him above Son today so it perplexes me when I see the same or lower ratings than Son. I don't need to explain how good a player Son is, truly world class. However today he was barely noticeable.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

Lamela MOTM first half, Bale MOTM 2nd half. Shame they didn’t get time on the pitch together. Overall Bale was our best player. Should have been given more playing time. Not much to say about the rest.

 

[idontgetit]

Lamela was probably the best player in the first half.
Bale came on second half and was clearly MoM.

Lloris poor again.

CB's with some more clown car stuff.

Tanga looked ok tbh at RB and it was a strange sub. Docherty came on and was awful.

Reguilon did ok, looked a bit off the pace but that's forgivable.

Son was completely uninvolved and probably should have come off.

Moura absolute worldy of a header but completely useless in the no.10 position. Move him out wide and use him more an impact sub, we badly need someone who can pass at 10. Someone else said it perfectly, he deserves all the credit for that header but it's like a CB scoring a one off screamer from 40 yards out. You love it but it's not what you're picking them for.

Hojberg and N'dombele did fine but looked a bit tired. Below their usual standard but a million miles above what we'd get with Winks and Sissoko.

Kane did alright with the service he got, which was pretty shit. Couldn't impose himself like he usually does but then Mourinho set us up so narrow it played into WH's hands for shutting down the space for him to play.

Dele struggled to get into the game.

Mourinho again the wrong line up, again having to correct the line up with subs, again making the wrong subs, again taking zero responsibility and making Trumpesque comments after the game.

 

[1882andallthat]

Always love the ratings in here. which are completely dependent on the result

I’d say that was possibly our best performance of the season. Pretty much dominated from start to finish and created numerous chances

Such a shame we cannot defend for shit!!

Tanguy my MOTM and obviously Bales best contribution so far

That was definitely not our best performance of the season and in no way shape or form did we really dominate them in the first half. They were good value for their first half lead and I didn't really have many complaints when they went 2-0 up.

Granted, we started to dominate from about minute 50, and we were unlucky not to come away with a draw.

We cannot keep going into games with a CB pairing that lacks confidence and ability when combined with a frequent lack of communication and understanding between them and Lloris.

It's pretty much like going into games knowing you have to get 3 goals in nearly every game to stand a chance of winning or 2 to stand a chance of ending up on level terms.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

That was definitely not our best performance of the season and in no way shape or form did we really dominate them in the first half. They were good value for their first half lead and I didn't really have many complaints when they went 2-0 up.

Granted, we started to dominate from about minute 50, and we were unlucky not to come away with a draw.

We cannot keep going into games with a CB pairing that lacks confidence and ability when combined with a frequent lack of communication and understanding between them and Lloris.

It's pretty much like going into games knowing you have to get 3 goals in nearly every game to stand a chance of winning or 2 to stand a chance of ending up on level terms.

We had 10 attempts on goal to West Hams 3 in the first half
2nd half we had 10 attempts on goal to West Hams 1 & we had 71% possession first half too so even more than the 2nd half

We dominated that game. Didn’t score enough and let too many in....

 

[1882andallthat]

We had 10 attempts on goal to West Hams 3 in the first half
2nd half we had 10 attempts on goal to West Hams 1 & we had 71% possession first half too so even more than the 2nd half

We dominated that game. Didn’t score enough and let too many in....

I agree that we had more attempts on goal but we didn't look much of a threat despite this in the first half and West Ham looked more like scoring in the first half than we did. After we went 2-0 down all that changed and we went for it and could and should have got a draw, that said we could still have conceded more than 2 with some of our hapless defending but at least we showed fight and spirit and real attacking intent after going 2-0 down.
It shouldn't be like that and we shouldn't have to wait till we get to that stage but that's the way I saw it.

 

[MB31spurs]

MOTM - shared between lamela ndombele and Bale
Son was not interested..... Kane on another day would have had a couple at least
PEH needs a rest
Doherty crosses were poor
I thought Sanchez at least tried sticking to his task which is more than can be said about Dier but we definitely need 2cbs in the summer....
Lloris kicking scares me....
Moura tries hard but Euoropa only for me now and maybe super sub for running at defenders in last 15mins, good header though

Just wish we would stop playing with the brakes on which is obviously at José instructions..... invariably until it’s too late.....

 

[John48]

Jose singing the praises of Lucas post match - I obviously know nothing about football.

Makes 2 of us. He scored a good goal, but with his feet he's sh*te, he had 2 good chances to score a 2nd, one was a tap in if he'd kept his eye on the ball & the other was a decent opportunity on the edge of the box that he blazed way over the bar, his passing is poor & I'm not sure he makes a chance for others. Runs around a lot though.

 

[walworthyid]

I like that you came up with positives and gave honest ratings. I have to disagree about Lloris though - that was a wicked ball and he did well to stop it once. Sonny stood off and let the cross come in, and Dier and Japhet just watched it sail over their heads.

I think the first goal was caused by not dealing with it at source. Once a good ball can be delivered, and it was an excellent ball, there isn't always fault when it results in a goal.

Lloris didn't want to commit in case somebody got a touch and the defenders were caught on the wrong side of the trajectory of the ball. In hindsight, loris could have come and dier/sanchez could have dealt with it. But the fact is, in the moment, it was a very difficult ball to deal with. And in fact, loris was proven correct because he made the first save, it is then down to luck as to where the ball goes.

Ultimately it should have been dealt with at source and there wouldn't have been a cross to deal with!

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Doris - 4.5
Japh - 5.5
Dirty - 4.0
Dire - 4.0
Regu - 5.5
PEH - 6.3
Tang - 5.7
Lame - 6.9
Luca - 6.5
Son - 5.7
Kane - 6.0
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Balio - 7.5
Doc - 4.9
Bami - 5.3

So I have Balio Coolio as my Spurs player of the match and the Chuckle Sisters fighting it out for Joker of the match.

Thanks Bullet man for the thread and those (jonny/cooper/spids/matt for bothering to post ratings rather than just sniping at other's)

Here we go again with the 6.3 and 5.7 bollocks.

It's random analysis sprinkled with hundred and thousands made out of cowshit.

There's no way PEH was a 6.3. He was 6.4 all day long.

 

[ralphs bald spot]

goalkeeper poor - I thought he was at fault for the first someone has to take charge
defending lacks communication no leadership and with Lloris having a poor run it falls apart further - Reguillon was brought back to early
Doherty has gone from being one of the best wing backs in the league to a player totally bereft of any confidence can't help when the manager digs him out
midfield Hoberg worked hard Ndombele was hiding like he did last season had no effect on the game in the last 30 yards of either box -
the forwards nearly saved us and we might have stole a point
not sure what people expect of Dele he hasn't had a kick most of the season and is asked to save a game in 20 minutes

We played ok but we go beat - two sloppy goals and you end up chasing a game - it was a game we had to win

 

[razzmaster]

I agree. Net rating id have him above Son today so it perplexes me when I see the same or lower ratings than Son. I don't need to explain how good a player Son is, truly world class. However today he was barely noticeable.

I put Moura in a similar bracket to Sissoko. Both seem like genuinely great guys off the pitch, work their socks off on the pitch and both contribute in their own ways.

Unfortunately they both stifle our flow and stop us from controlling possession and ultimately neither are quite good enough for us.

 

[whitesocks]

Bale motm, for his assist and crashing shot against the crossbar.
Credit to Moura who got a consolation goal and lamela who had a good effort and was busy.

Tanganga was unlucky to be subbed - was he really mainly to blame for their goal?

Time to change the defence. Dier wants a settled position? Well that will be at watford, the way he is going.
Rodon (and Toby) and Tanganga to be the LCBs.
Let Dier be the utility man again, and play RCB, RB, DM. If he has lost that flexibility, then hornet city for him.
I've had enough and I want change.

 

[phillipjpalmer]

It's terrible to say but lloris, Sanchez and dier were never going to keep a clean sheet. They simply cannot concentrate for 90mins, we lack a general who communicates and coaches all game.

 

[TheHoddleWaddle]

I didn't think it was that bad. Thought the lads played well mostly. Ropey defence whomever JM puts in the middle. They don't get enough protection from the midfield. I think the team, both individually and collectively 'switch off' the concentration button at times which leads to the sucker punch goals we concede.

It's horrible as it's West Ham, but I'm still scratching my head as to performance vs result. I thought we battered them off the field for most of it.

Ratings? Bale motm, followed by Lamela.

 

[DenverSpur]

We had 10 attempts on goal to West Hams 3 in the first half
2nd half we had 10 attempts on goal to West Hams 1 & we had 71% possession first half too so even more than the 2nd half

We dominated that game. Didn’t score enough and let too many in....

I have to agree with this.
Like many games this was decided by fine margins. Split second poor defensive decisions cost us 2 goals and a lack ruthlessness in front of goal means we didn’t score more than the 1 goal. Kane had 3 clear sights of goal and failed to convert any of them, Bale hit the bar, Moura failed to connect to Son’s cross and thrashed at Son’s pull back. On another day with the total dominance we had for the last 40+ minutes in the second half we win that game comfortably. Think back to the home game against WHU and they came back from 3 down because everything went for them in that last 10 minutes or so. Today it didn’t for us. As I say fine margins can decide games.
Of course because we lost the discussion descends into an argument about it being the managers fault.
Bale MOM for that second half performance. If only he’d produced more performances like that earlier in the season and we might not be in the position we are now.
Lamela had a good first half but is still prone to hanging on to the ball for to long. Got his customary yellow card for a needless sliding challenge.
Moura good goal and works hard but much of what he does doesn’t gell with the rest of the team.
Dier: maybe I’m wrong, maybe I’m hard on him but I feel he can get to the cross for the first goal or he has to at least try to get to it which would have put Antonio off. Instead like Liverpool’s first goal he passed on the responsibility to Lloris. A good CB doesn’t pass on responsibility to others he acts decisively. For the 2nd goal both he and Sanchez are at 6s and 7s. I like the guy but I just don’t believe he has the makings of a top CB.
Son: poor by his standards, should have prevented the cross coming in for the first goal, set up a few chance for others but was poor overall. Would have been interesting if JM had taken Son off instead of Lamela.
Not Hojbjerg’s best game.
Dele didn’t help his chances of more game time with his flicks and dwelling on the ball.
In the first half we passed the ball far too slowly and attacked too narrow.Bringing on Bale and Doherty gave us the desired width and we were much more dangerous. Although Doherty’s crossing was poor at time I thought he and Bale linked up well down the right.